Swapping and selling

[starmac]

Just curious what all the fuss about over the newish rules.
A huge part of my casting and reloading stuff, plus lots of other somehow related gear was bought here. Most of it at better deals than I could easily find elswhere.
I do not buy near as much these days, but it has not been because it has gotten any worse, I still see some great deals there pretty much daily, I just have aquired most of the things I needed, and more than I have room for.
I may be of the minority, but see the reasons behind the new rules and support them.
Has it really affected your cast boolit experience, or is it just a, it has always been this way deal??

[pretzelxx]

Apparently I haven't been around long enough. I didn't even notice a change. Either that or I was too busy with my newborn. Any which way I'm still glad to be here!

[Bzcraig]

I understand the new rules make it inconvenient for those selling many items but rules are rules and I believe the new rules to be well intentioned and for the greater good of the site.

[jcwit]

Rules are rules????

Isn't that how we got in this mess regarding guns and rules and laws??

Yes I know a forum is not a government run enitiy.

[starmac]

Rules are rules????

Isn't that how we got in this mess regarding guns and rules and laws??

Yes I know a forum is not a government run enitiy.

Seems quite a stretch there, but I can see where you are coming from. My deal is this, I am only a member of 3 other forums, and the swapping and selling rules here are somewhat lax, compared to them, and FREE to the seller. 2 of the 3 other ones I belong to are not free, even to individual sales and are heavily monitored to keep sellers honest, as they are paid on the honor system. I have bought probably a hundred items or at least very close to it here, and have bought exactly one on all other forums combined, seems to me they are doing something right here for the average guy.

[jcwit]

Wow! A member of only 3 other forums.

I'm a avtive member of 10/15 forums and a member of around a hundred different forums. Everything from cars, treasure hunting, gardening, air rifles, match shooting, bench rest shooting, reloading, the list goes on.

[jcwit]

I've never bought anything here tho, usually go to the bay.

[starmac]

LOL I truly try to stay away from the BAY. lol
I didn't realise there was that many forums. I have visited quite a few other gun forums and read a lot, but never found another one that I had any desire to sign up to. I lied though, I have belonged to 5 forums, but am only somewhat active on 3. This one the most by far, a honda atv forum and a forestry forum. I really wouldn't know what to do with 100 forums.

[bangerjim]

I do not buy stuff on:

this forum (mabe a mold or 2 on a group buy, but all NEW)
other forums
evilbay
craig's lust
gun broker


Only brand new and local when ever possible. Some gently used items at local gun shows.

Makes life easy......not fees or shipping or rules to worry about! Not living in the boonies anymore like I used to sure makes finding what I want and need easy locally.

[starmac]

I buy what I can locally, but I wouldn't be in the casting game at all if I bought local. There is no place that handles molds at all, not sure why as sportsmans does sell casting pots and ladles. And die sets are limited locally.

[GoodOlBoy]

I have bought and sold many items on S&S forum. I have always had good dealings, maybe I am lucky. I stay away from evilbay, and I haven't bought anything from gunbroker in years. I don't understand the consternation over the new rules. If you need to sell hundreds of items then I would suggest becoming a vendor as they don't have the same restrictions. Besides which I have always found the dozens upon dozens of items laundry lists WAY to much of a headache to go through, particularly when the seller doesn't update what has and hasn't sold and you have to read through twenty five or thirty posts just to find out if the items you need/want are available still.

Just my 2 cents.

GoodOlBoy

[waynem34]

Bought my first and only star sizer off swap and sell.I have got lots of once fired brass and a few other things too. I guess I need to read the new rules, cause I didn't know anything had changed.

[garym1a2]

I have no problem with the new rules. Some people took advantage under the old rules and sold so much they should have gotten vendor status. Now the high volume sellers have to get vendor status.

[Love Life]

I have no problem with the new rules. Some people took advantage under the old rules and sold so much they should have gotten vendor status. Now the high volume sellers have to get vendor status.

As it should be.

[frkelly74]

No complaints here! I have bought , sold and traded quite a bit and to me , this site is good to go and I hope it stays that way.

[Love Life]

The swapping and selling rules will, over time, make the membership stronger.

You can actually see the reverse on SnipersHide. They used to have a 100 post rule in order to sell. That kept the membership strong. Now that they opened the gates to sell immediately, the place has filled up with mouth breathers who don't even gun.

[Lance Boyle]

I am not sure I ever sold anything here. I posted a for sale or two. I have bought more than half my molds here, used. I have also bought books and some shooting accessories. Only once was I kind of burned with buying stuff that was so worn out it didn't work anymore.

For CASUAL sales I think free is fine. If someone is posting a laundry list every month whether they consider themselves a vendor or an active swapper they probably should go with vendor status to avoid the appearance of taking advantage of the site owner.

As far as snipershide, they used to have a great site for a "discriminating" shooter. The focus was on precision shooter and precision reloading for mostly bolt action shooters. Now it's a messy place that I avoid. You go to their reloading section and you have to sift through the AR type shooters looking for an easy give it to me "precision" loads for the 16" .308 "platform". They watered down what they used to be so much I almost never go there anymore. Same thing for their sales forum.
I don't even have an account anymore since the change from the old owner to the corporate run site.

Things and people change, sometimes not for the better.

[MaryB]

I have bought a few things here but BrassMagnet seems to beat me to the good stuff!

[aspangler]

I have bought a few things here but BrassMagnet seems to beat me to the good stuff!
Glory be!!! I'm not alone!

[pretzelxx]

I actually like my used molds better than the ones I bought new.. Just saying, it's a good thing to know they work well before I get my noob hands on them.

[Green Monster]

Took a break from the site/reloading for a while due to work. When i came back i saw some rules changed in S&S. Looked them over and agree with all of them. To me S&S is meant to be a casual who needs it cause i dont anymore type of place not the flea market gun show.com. Everyone also forgets to check the WTB side of the fence. I recently posted there and was helped out alot by another member.

[Geraldo]

I liked S&S before the new rules because I buy far more than I sell here. Now that subforum looks dead. I figured if somebody haunted estate or yard sales and made a few bucks for their time that's cool because: 'Merica and free enterprise. Of course the site owners want a piece of that pie for the same reason. I'm not happy but I'm not going to rage quit over it, I just won't be here every day.

[Love Life]

People were having repetitive yardsale posts without paying up as they should have. The rules have always been clear.

Casual sales=Have a good time.
Volume sales and repetitive laundry lists=Pay to play

People took advantage of that. I remember when Stevie Wonder called me to tell me he was seeing it happen to often. It cluttered up the S&S forum with bumps and left over rollover threads.

It was very much annoying to see 5 S&S posts in a row by the same member hawking his volume items or estate sale flips, and not having the red user name.

As it stands you can still sell a decent amount of items per month, but you just have to consolidate your threads. Sell 5 items per thread X 3 threads= 15 items per month.

[rancher1913]

my issues with the new rules are #1 members that were here before the new rules went into effect were going to be grandfathered in, well that didn't happen and # 2 after the rules took effect people with "good" join dates but "bad" post counts were selling but people with "bad" join dates and "good" post counts were barred, rules clearly stated 6 months and 100 post count but were not enforced fairly. understand the need for rules and they don't bother me but the twisting of rules to favor one class instead of across the board fair really gets under my skin.

[Love Life]

Issues need to be brought to the Mods for resolution. Closed mouths don't get fed.

[40-82 hiker]

I would not have the shooting sport I do without the knowledge base and the S&S of this web site. Period. I would be shooting, I might even be casting again, but I would not be having the successes, the knowledge, and the skills, at the price I attained them. My shooting is now considered part of my ongoing physical therapy, and without the tasks associated with this sport (smelting, casting, reloading, etc.), when I am able to perform them, I would be more disabled than I am now. In fact, without the ability to sell what I no longer need, or without the ability to purchase/sell/swap lead alloys brass, etc., I would not be able to afford any of what I am doing, or at least to the extent I am doing it.

So, I ask of the owner, moderator, and users of this web site to consider carefully what may be considered good or bad, and remember while we all have varying reasons for being here, the aim of this web site is to serve the cast boolit-shooting community. In this endeavor Castboolits has made a HUGE difference to me. Thanks. To be doing what I am in this shooting sport again, while not being able to work, is barely short of a miracle in and of itself. If rule changes are needed to maintain this site, then I am all for it as long as we don't lose what we've got.

[funnyjim014]

All I can say is the guys selling empty ammo boxes he picked up the range isent filling every other ad lol. I like the new rules. frendly sales for friends who all enjoy the hobby.

[DeputyDog25]

I have no problem with the new rules, this is not my forum so therefore I abide by the rules that govern it and never complain. I am just glad it is here and I am a member. I always abide by what my mother taught me, to treat others as I would want to be treated and if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. I don't get involved in politics, nor do I make sarcastic comments either in jest or in anger.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I didn't even know there were rule changes until I read all the angst filled posts. I thought the rules always meant casual sales only. I have made some fantastic buys on this sight and I have sold several items. I still have lots of items I need to sell but I am just too lazy to dig them out and list them, after all who needs 10 lube sizers? I enjoy exchanging info and ideas with members around the world. I hope this site lasts for a very long time. I am not going anyplace.

[starmac]

my issues with the new rules are #1 members that were here before the new rules went into effect were going to be grandfathered in, well that didn't happen and # 2 after the rules took effect people with "good" join dates but "bad" post counts were selling but people with "bad" join dates and "good" post counts were barred, rules clearly stated 6 months and 100 post count but were not enforced fairly. understand the need for rules and they don't bother me but the twisting of rules to favor one class instead of across the board fair really gets under my skin.

Do you really see a need for older members to be grandfathered in?? I can see where trying to enforce two different sets of rules would be a can of worms for the mods.
As far as different rules for a different class, I don't see how the mods could purposely do that even if they wanted to, my profile shows nothing about class, or even gender for that matter.
I think it is just a date deal, there has to be a cutoff somewhere.
I don't tend to join most forums and read this site daily for over a year before I joined to ask and don't remember if I finally joined to ask a question I couldn't find an answer to, or to buy something in the swapping and selling. I have seen several folks join just to sell in the swapping and selling, not exactly what the site is intended for.

[Mooseman]

FYI , here is a cut and paste from the rules sticky :
6 Months Active Membership & 100 Post requirement to sell:
Must be an active member for a minimum of 6 months with a minimum of 100 post. No requirement to be a buyer. See "Grandfather Clause"

Grandfather Clause:
Members with a join date before July 2015 must have a minimum of 30 post. All other rules apply.

So if you were here before July 2015 you are grandfathered in with 30 posts and allowed to sell . Only New members from July forward will need the 6 months and 100 Meaningful Posts to sell here. There are no restrictions on purchasing from Swap and sell.
You can also Join team Boolits and sell in that section .
If there are special circumstances where a large amount of goods need to be offered for sale to the members (Like you are terminally ill or you need Money for Cancer treatments and you are forced to sell your gear) then you can contact Robert No_1 and ask for an exemption for a 1 time deal . He has the final say so...

Rich

[dragon813gt]

Time will tell if the new rules were a good move. I personally have my doubts. The S&S sections of forums usually bring in a lot of clicks. Which is what sponsors like to see. It also helps grow the membership as the causal user starts to read other parts of the site.

It seems like a blanket policy that punished everyone to some extent. Instead of forcing certain members to pay for Vendor status everyone is now limited. It's not my sight an I will abide by the rules. I don't sell a lot so the limits won't effect me. But there seems to be a marked decrease in activity already. I have bought a lot off of here and have been able to pick up some great deals from the "estate sellers".

[rca]

I have no problem with the new rules, this is not my forum so therefore I abide by the rules that govern it and never complain. I am just glad it is here and I am a member. I always abide by what my mother taught me, to treat others as I would want to be treated and if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. I don't get involved in politics, nor do I make sarcastic comments either in jest or in anger.



Could not have said it better

[ShooterAZ]

I agree that there is a decline in S&S. But...It wont affect me either. I have bought & sold more than a couple of items here, but never from the estate sellers. Casual sales only was abused, and obviously resulted in the new rules. I wish they would just get a "VS" under their name and quit complaining. Problem solved. As you say...time will tell. In my opinion, nobody was punished...only asked to man up for a little $$$ to sell off a carp-load of stuff.

[Doc_Stihl]

I have a real problem with the way the change over happened. I hadn't been around for a while. Interests changed and hobbies changed. I don't cast or reload as much.
Come back to sell of the projects that will never happen and the spare parts. Now mind you, this is before the new rules. I post up a list with 18 or so items. My ad was pulled, no warning. DELETED. 3 or 4 buyers now are wanting to know why "I pulled the ad". I am to it's too many items. No more than 10. There's 5 ads on the first page with 15+ items one with 20+ but oh well. So I fix the ad, relist with 10 items. BAM. ad pulled same thing. Next I try after the new rules, So I fix it the 3rd time. Post 5 items. BAM ad pulled. Now I'm not an active poster. All ads pulled without a warning. Now I'm banned from swapping and selling. So be it.
Oh, I'm told if I want to pay for a vendor sponsor to sell my extra sets of dies, molds, my spare presses and sizer then I can do whatever I want. Made sure I turned off my membership subscription after that one.

I don't understand the reasoning. I have a bunch of casting gear I'm not going to use. I outfitted most of my shop from this site. The swapping and selling was why I came back everyday. Sure I came for questions and information when I needed it, but I was here daily for S&S.
It makes no sense to me why 5 item posts are the new rule, I'm not looking for an explanation. I don't really care.


I read a few of the "I'm outa here" posts today and someone might want to pay attention when the long time guys are quitting instead of complaining.

[Doc_Stihl]

I agree that there is a decline in S&S. But...It wont affect me either. I have bought & sold more than a couple of items here, but never from the estate sellers. Casual sales only was abused, and obviously resulted in the new rules. I wish they would just get a "VS" under their name and quit complaining. Problem solved. As you say...time will tell. In my opinion, nobody was punished...only asked to man up for a little $$$ to sell off a carp-load of stuff.

"Man up a little $$$ to sell off a carp-load of stuff" - I'd be fine with that if I wasn't afraid of being blocked, banned, BS'd some more after spending $100.

[cainttype]

It would seem a workable compromise to address all the "wants" might be possible, if it didn't burden the mods excessively.
What if... The new rules were the norm for the vast majority of S&S...Obvious vendors (including the estate liquidators and garage sale resalers) have the opportunity to become sight vendors by paying up for the access... Third case (like Doc Stihl describes) might be the rarer circumstance where a member has a fairly large amount of gear to offer, but is obviously a NOT regular vendor type. Perhaps selling off his old accumulation, or gear for a deceased friend's family in a "once a year" type posting.
Would it seem reasonable to require permission for such instances, so that individual non-vendor members might be able to make a rare posting of larger lots? With moderator approval, I don't see a problem.
I'm guessing if you rarely post items for sale in S&S but suddenly have the opportunity to offer up a shopful of shooting related items, it would be obvious that you aren't a vendor type.

It would, of course, add even more work to the mods here (that aren't always recognized for the efforts they make attempting to keep this site running well), but it might resolve a few of the issues being raised.
I think this is a question best asked to the gentlemen who moderate this forum, but I thought it might be a workable alternative.

Now... back to week1 NFL. :)

[oneokie]

Now mind you, this is before the new rules. I post up a list with 18 or so items.


Sir, the post you reference was for 58, yes Fifty-Eight sets of dies, not 18. At that time the rules clearly stated "No long laundry lists" You then broke those 58 items into 3 three threads, which were pulled.

[Teddy (punchie)]

Thing changed!! The rules. Me; I personal try to follow the law. Well I speed down the road 5-10 MPH over. Am, I upset. NO!!

Well I go to an auction and buy Extra Items to try to resell here at 10-20 % over what I paid, at a savings to people here of about 30-50 % NO !!

I asked about becoming a Vendor, Never heard back. As I can understand the rules and the need. I do like to in what, I call my off season for me, is from now to say spring. To sale here, would list about 10-15 items (maybe 20) and maybe three different posts over a few weeks, have a list of every buyer and PM them the lists, as to combined shipping. Some items are little or of little value like a lube pad, only a few bucks, maybe I got it in a box of MISC. and only paid 10-15 Bucks for the box. Other items small are case holders, bushing, top punches, now I just don't buy them. I would buy a box of them and sale at 30-50 % of retail, if I needed a few to finish my needs okay buy the lot and resale extras. With the new sale limits, I don't know of anyone that would buy a say a MEC bushing for 3.00 and pay 3.00 up to maybe 5 + to ship it. So my extras will stay in a organizer and sale at where ever I can. Not here in the regular S&S as the list would not even make it to the normally used ones before I maxed out the new rules of 5. All ready seen it happen with sizer last week.

BY the way after I sold my first few (couple) lists I be came a Sponsor on team Boolits, which doesn't get the views that S&S does. But I'll maybe try to sell the little items there.

I would say I have bought more here then I have sold personal, Sure did sell a lot of brass and j-bullets for buddies here that were extras.

This site is a great place to explained and learn. As with anything there are some that just are a rotten apple, we all have to deal with the rules as they stand. Only had one mixed up on trade and buy. I was never paid for the sizer, so I explained to the person and they just got mad. I tried to reexplain and asked for receipt for his postage as maybe it was lost and I'll take it as maybe it was lost before I got to see it. I was cash the personal mailed. Mods were told and I would do what was needed to keep the peace. I have watched at meetings of public office and no one would come around unless they complained. I want all of the MODS ( past too ) that I do thank them !! Someone has to be the bad guy right, most persons that are complaining need to just look into the mirror. Anytime thing change people get upset. Most don't like change.

[TXGunNut]

I seldom venture to S&S but on my few trips there I saw the need for the new rules and agree that they will likely keep the forum safe for the casual sales I would like to see there. I'd like to see an exception (and I think there are provisions for such) for a one-time laundry list for a compelling reason at mods' discretion.
As for the estate sale and garage sale resellers they fit my definition of vendors and should pay for the opportunity, IMHO. That said, I've bought from a vendor or two and only sold one or two things here. I spend very little time in S&S. I do like to support our commercial sponsors and always try to make a point of thanking them for their sponsorship.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I liked S&S before the new rules because I buy far more than I sell here. Now that subforum looks dead. I figured if somebody haunted estate or yard sales and made a few bucks for their time that's cool because: 'Merica and free enterprise. Of course the site owners want a piece of that pie for the same reason. I'm not happy but I'm not going to rage quit over it, I just won't be here every day.
I login to this website 3 or 4 times a day.
I check S&S everytime, there is always new posts...just like "our town".
I visit other similar websites, most of them don't have "fresh" classified ads everyday, sometimes, they are weeks apart.
Jon

[Doc_Stihl]

Sir, the post you reference was for 58, yes Fifty-Eight sets of dies, not 18. At that time the rules clearly stated "No long laundry lists" You then broke those 58 items into 3 three threads, which were pulled.

That's entirely possible, my ads were pulled so I was going by memory.
I had 4 different people ask me what I did to make you so mad. Had 2 different people suggest to split them up and relist them.
Maybe I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
After the way things were handled, to be told to send some money and everything would be all right.

[No_1]

After the way things were handled, to be told to send some money and everything would be all right.

Not exactly true and not quite as simple as you make it appear to be. Being a VS does allow a member to have unlimited sales but is not designed for folks such as you who are selling one-off's such as 40+ different dies sets or an estate sale a couple times a year. The program is for those who are making or offering the exact same items or services on a continual basis. Your type of sales would have never qualified you for the VS status so it is clearly not as easy as "send some money and everything would be all right".

Robert

[Preacher Jim]

The rules were brought up because shysters get on hussle as many as they can and run to another site. Thank you for protecting us as much as you can, mods.

[starmac]

I have had a lot of dealings (buying) in the swapping and selling, and so far (knock on wood) have not run into any shysters.
The mods always kept the deadbeats to a minimum.
Some thinks the S&S section has slowed since the change, maybe so, but I haven't noticed a real change, Many of the other sites I visit have what I call slow S&S forums, some basically dead.

[jcwit]

Have never looked into the S&S forum till all this hub bub. Now I've been checking it out, have yet to see anything I'm even remotely interested in. Mayhap I have everything I need.

[starmac]

I have bought a few things here but BrassMagnet seems to beat me to the good stuff!

The Brass Magnet actually gave me my very first mold, even paid the shipping. I am pretty sure there are others, as I am no one special, sooooo I reckon I can stand for him to beat me to a deal or two, even if he was the one that corrupted me and cost me MILLIONS. lol

[labradigger1]

Not exactly true and not quite as simple as you make it appear to be. Being a VS does allow a member to have unlimited sales but is not designed for folks such as you who are selling one-off's such as 40+ different dies sets or an estate sale a couple times a year. The program is for those who are making or offering the exact same items or services on a continual basis. Your type of sales would have never qualified you for the VS status so it is clearly not as easy as "send some money and everything would be all right".

Robert

After reading this I decided to look through our vender sponsors.
I seen a "buyer and seller of estates"
How is this so?

[DeputyDog25]

I have no problem with the new rules, I'm sure the owners know the problems better than we do and are trying to make it a safer place for all of us. If you just follow safe selling and buying practices you shouldn't have any issues. I really don't even notice the new rules, but then again I don't have long laundry lists of items to sell, just an item or two here and there.

[Doc_Stihl]

Not exactly true and not quite as simple as you make it appear to be. Being a VS does allow a member to have unlimited sales but is not designed for folks such as you who are selling one-off's such as 40+ different dies sets or an estate sale a couple times a year. The program is for those who are making or offering the exact same items or services on a continual basis. Your type of sales would have never qualified you for the VS status so it is clearly not as easy as "send some money and everything would be all right".

Robert

From oneokie via PM

"Sir,
This is to inform you that your posting history has been reviewed by senior Staff and most of your posts are in the S&S forum. You are considered a seller with either commercial or volume sales, which requires a Vendor Sponsor subscription.
As of today, do not list any more items for sale until you become a Vendor Sponsor. You are now blocked from the S&S area."

[No_1]

The only reason I commented was to correct the misinformation from you:


After the way things were handled, to be told to send some money and everything would be all right.

It now appears what you originally indicated is not what actually happened:


From oneokie via PM

"Sir,
This is to inform you that your posting history has been reviewed by senior Staff and most of your posts are in the S&S forum. You are considered a seller with either commercial or volume sales, which requires a Vendor Sponsor subscription.
As of today, do not list any more items for sale until you become a Vendor Sponsor. You are now blocked from the S&S area."


I am the one who makes the final decision of who becomes a VS or not. You do not qualify as I have stated before. Get over it.

You may resume sales in the S&S area as long as you abide by the rules everyone else has to follow.

You have said what you wanted to say. Continuing down this road will be counter productive.

Robert