Canauba red lube smoke level

[kryogen]

How mich does the canauba red smoke? A lot, a little?

[imashooter2]

Depends on what you are comparing it to. Much less than NRA 50/50.

[kryogen]

Alox?

[imashooter2]

It smokes much less than 50/50 Alox/beeswax.

[runfiverun]

much, much less.

[JesterGrin_1]

I am sorry but please enlighten me about the smoke problem that I see as a non problem? I guess it could be a problem if people only shoot at indoor ranges.

[imashooter2]

I shoot USPSA revolver. Occasionally the course of fire might require me to shoot many shots quickly from a single location. Get the right sun angle and the smoke cloud from 6 or 12 shots can obscure the targets substantially.

Not everyone shoots the same as you (or I) do.

[kryogen]

if I have access to a heated base, should I just get the canauba red lube and use it for 9mm? or is it too hard for a 9mm load and I should go with the 2500 lube and not bother with the heater?

[imashooter2]

Carnauba Red is just fine for 9mm and is what I would use.

[Maximumbob54]

You might try White Label Lube's BAC. It seemed to work in everything I ever tried with it. From slow and pokey low pressure .38's and .45's to .30-30, 8mm, and .308 win I had no leading and I always thought minimal smoke at worst.

[imashooter2]

BAC is half beeswax/Alox and half Carnauba Red. It will smoke more than just the straight CR.

[pjames32]

I use Carnuba Red for all of my pistol stuff. Very little smoke for me.
PJ

[LUCKYDAWG13]

C/R is all I use for pistol 9mm to 454

[kryogen]

I'm in canada, but it appears that dragon bullet lube uses the same formulations.
I'll try their red dragon and yellow dragon and see.

How many 9mm bullets can you lube with a stick?

[lar45]

probably around 1500 bullets per stick.

[kryogen]

Well should i get 2500 bac or canauba red?

9mm pistol

[Dale53]

I particularly like Carnauba Red as it has a relatively high melting point. When I leave loaded ammo in the car on a very hot day, I haven't had any problems with the lube melting and causing misfires. I HAVE had this problem with NRA 50/50 (not often, but definitely on occasion...). I have used it for all of my pistol ammo for several years. That is everything from .32 S&W Long, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .44 Special/Magnum, .45 ACP/.45 Colt - in short everything. Accuracy has been great (my demands are high) and no leading.

The only downside to using it is that you need to heat your lube sizer. Since I already had a heater it's a total NON ISSUE with me.

FWIW
Dale53

[imashooter2]

Well should i get 2500 bac or canauba red?

9mm pistol

You should get Carnauba Red.

[kryogen]

Can you pan lube canauba red? I would try a few hundreds before i buy a star.

[imashooter2]

Beats me. I would rather slam my hand in a drawer than pan lube. :)

[dragon813gt]

I believe CR is to hard for pan lubing. BAC is a better option if you want to pan lube.

[Viper225]

I have been using it on 370 grain .475's, and 310 grain .430's the last month. We have been doing some hunting load development. I had not noticed the Carnuba Red smoking at all with 300-MP.

I also shoot Defensive Pistol and ICORE Revolver matchs. We were noticing how badly the loads were smoking the last match. Real High Humidity. One of the guys was shooting coated bullets, and his loads were smoking as badly as everyone with grease groove bullets. My guess is the powder is a big contributor to the smoke.
The 480 Ruger bullets have a large grease groove, and also get lube above the gas check. Several times as much lube as a 9mm. As I said I did not notice them smoking.

Before switching to Carnuba Red, I was using Blue Angel. The Carnuba Red seems to me to be softer than Blue Angel on the bullets. It does need a heater. I was lubing at around 80 degrees, and it was not anywhere close to soft.

Bob

[Geezer in NH]

I am sorry but please enlighten me about the smoke problem that I see as a non problem? I guess it could be a problem if people only shoot at indoor ranges.Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geezer in NH]

I shoot USPSA revolver. Occasionally the course of fire might require me to shoot many shots quickly from a single location. Get the right sun angle and the smoke cloud from 6 or 12 shots can obscure the targets substantially.

Not everyone shoots the same as you (or I) do.Shoot some Black powder competition if you think bullet lube obscures targets. Skills for your comp is for training I thought.

[Stoats]

I use Carnauba Red right down to low-pressure loads like .38 S&W and .455 Webley. It works GREAT. Unless you don't want to heat your luber (which you can do with a hairdryer or soldering iron), there is really no reason not to use it.

[imashooter2]

Shoot some Black powder competition if you think bullet lube obscures targets. Skills for your comp is for training I thought.


USPSA is a game. It is pretty poor training to run into a room with 16 antagonists armed with a handgun.

That there are other games in which more smoke is generated than in the ones I play does not invalidate the point. :roll:

[lar45]

Hello everybody, sorry I'm so late on the discussion here.

Carnauba Red can be a real pain to pan lube. It sticks to the bullets very well and also sticks to the pan.
There are quite a few guys useing a mix of 2 parts BAC and 1 part Red. It is supposed to pan lube well and gets rid of some of the stickyness of BAC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33euGUb8jFM
Here is a youtube of someone useing the mix.
I personally use the Red on everything that I shoot and have always had good luck with it.
If you're useing a heater, leave it on until the body of the luber is warm and the lube starts to flow, then turn it off so the lube doesn't get too warm and start to cause a mess. When the lube starts to slow down, turn the heater back on...

[MarkP]

I dip lube with Carnauba Red; grab by nose and dip into molten lube, size with a push thru die and peel off the excess lube donut on bottom of die every 10 bullets or so. I will do this for smaller numbers or when I do not want to change Star sizer.

[bobthenailer]

if I have access to a heated base, should I just get the canauba red lube and use it for 9mm? or is it too hard for a 9mm load and I should go with the 2500 lube and not bother with the heater?I/

I have used CR for over 10 years in everything from 380 to 454 casull as well as about 10 K of a few 9mm & 38 super cast bullet designes , 3-saeco and 1 rcbs mould with no problems