Any good single shot 45-70s left?

[Shooter6br]

Looking for a 45-70 single shot which is scope tapped. I have a nice Pedersoli RB with tang sight ,but want to hang a scope on a 45-70. Choices seem to be Ruger, H&R, Encore Contender. or expensive reproductions. I will be shooting smokeless Rick:castmine:

[exblaster]

You might consider a Malcom reproduction scope on your roller. Thy are period correct and are approved for most competition.


Exblaster

[Lloyd Smale]

I love my #1.

[No_1]

I love my #3 and would have a #1 if I had a chance. For the money, the ruger is the less expensive route.

R.

[Wayne Smith]

I haven't even mounted the 45-70 barrel on my Encore yet! Just got the dies set up and loaded 50 rds. for the 500S&W, though. Hadn't really thought about scoping those 20" barrels, though.

[wiljen]

+1 on the Ruger #1. It doesn't have much of a throat so you will have to play with loads a bit but once you get the loads figured, they shoot very very well.

[pietro]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=95843691

[Junior1942]

My 45-70 Handi-Rifle shoots like it cost 4x its actual cost. The 20" and the 32" barrels both shoot great.

[Freightman]

#2 on the H&R 45/70 will shoot anything from 300g to 500g but you will pay for it with the 500's.

[shotman]

i am 3rd for the H&R shot one 500gr that was it for me 300 done every thing i could ask for rick

[jack19512]

I really like my H&R Buffalo Classic. :-D

[kjg]

I'm looking at my handi right now it likes 17 grains of unique with a 405 gain lee hollow point hand cast with out any fillers, and quite pleasant to shoot to boot, I even scoped it with a pistol scope, in getting less than one inch groups with it off hand havent benched it, as of yet.kjg

[OldBob]

Another vote for the Handi-Rifle here, got the 32" barrel on mine and it shoots better than I can.................

[hyoder]

I have a Browning 1885 that fits, and shoots well.

[Johnw...ski]

I like my home made one.

John


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[725]

+ on the H&R. Shoots great. Likes smokeless and BP. Huge varieties of projectiles work well in it. Easy to reduce recoil if you need that by way of a mercury tube inserted in the stock through bolt, under the recoil pad. Drilled and tapped for scope bases. Durable, simple and safe. Easy to trick out the trigger if you want to do that, too.

[littlejack]

Fella's:
Anyone want to elaborate on their loads for their H&R's and BC's. I have shot approximately 2000 rounds through my BC and still having trouble getting it to settle down and shoot good "consistant" groups. My most accurate load is the 535 grain Postell bullet of any alloy over 27.5 grains of Re7. COL is 2.900. I have shot naked and PP both. I have a Leupold Rifleman 2x7 scope mounted on it which is very nice. My groups are shot at 100 yards. Best groups are around 1.5" but the rifle seems to not want to shoot consistantly. I have floated the forend , the trigger is a good crisp 4 to 4.5 pounds. Recoil is very managable with this powder charge. Velocity is about 1200 fps. the groups go all to hell with any bullet if i shoot faster than about 1300 fps.
Do any of you all have any of the same problems and if so, what was your remidy?
Do I have a lemon or what? Somebody give me some ideas.
Thanks
Jack

[Johnw...ski]

Fella's:
Anyone want to elaborate on their loads for their H&R's and BC's. I have shot approximately 2000 rounds through my BC and still having trouble getting it to settle down and shoot good "consistant" groups. My most accurate load is the 535 grain Postell bullet of any alloy over 27.5 grains of Re7. COL is 2.900. I have shot naked and PP both. I have a Leupold Rifleman 2x7 scope mounted on it which is very nice. My groups are shot at 100 yards. Best groups are around 1.5" but the rifle seems to not want to shoot consistantly. I have floated the forend , the trigger is a good crisp 4 to 4.5 pounds. Recoil is very managable with this powder charge. Velocity is about 1200 fps. the groups go all to hell with any bullet if i shoot faster than about 1300 fps.
Do any of you all have any of the same problems and if so, what was your remidy?
Do I have a lemon or what? Somebody give me some ideas.
Thanks
Jack

I don't know if this will help you. My barrel slugs to .458 and has a 1 in 14" twist,
I just started shooting Lyman 457132 Postell boolits.

This past weekend I shot .459 sized boolits over 34 gr. IMR3031 and H4895 also 37 gr. Benchmark. The velocities should be around 1300 FPS plus or minus. Benchmark did not do too well ( around 4" groups) IMR3031 and H4895 were just at or under 2" all at 100 yds. These boolits were very hard and only weighed in at 505 gr. I need to address my alloy mix and work up a load.

I have to say at these velocities 500 gr. was very comfortable to shoot from the bench.

When I get my lead mix addressed I will load some with RE7.

John

[littlejack]

John, thanks for the reply.
You have a very fast twist in your rifle as you already know. My BC has a 1 in 20". This fairly slow and I would rather have the more standard 1 in 18", but this is what H&R manufactures.
I prefer the Re7 as it meters very well and burns very clean. The more of it you use, the cleaner it burns. There is no leading with the naked Postell bullets and the 27.5 grain load.
I had mentioned on another forum that the lockup on my BC was not what I thought it should be. I.E. the latch was only covering the barrell shelf about .070. I was told that the latch should cover more. I proceeded to hone some of the shelf off to get more of a contact, and wound up taking off too much. I have repaired the problem , had it built back up and I honed it to the original lockup. I have not shot it as of yet. This should bring me back to the original issue.
My barrell slugs out at 457.5 and I size my bullets to .459 unless I pp. I then size to .454 and patch to .460.
The rifling in the BC's is fairly shallow and have been told that this can be a problem with the rifles shooting at higher velocities.
I don't want to shoot barrell burners just want things to settle down so I can depend on where it is going to hit. I have shot loads that would really ring your bell but why abuse myself when I don't have to.
Jack

[725]

Lee 500 gr cast, 36.6 3031, vegtable wad, coal=2.765

Midway 405 gr SJFN, 46.9 3031, coal=2.575

Of course, safe only in my gun, under my control, my materials, my calipers, on the dark side of the moon every other Thursday. Has proven to be very dangerous to every deer I've seen while holding my rifle.

[jack19512]

I have shot the 500 grain, 405 grain, and the 340 grain cast bullets out of my B/C and I like the 340 grain the best. Easier on the shoulder and takes less lead to make them. With wheel weights hard to come by now it's important to me to make the most bullets I can with what lead I have in stock.

I have some loads to work on yet but so far I like somewhere between 28-32 grains of 4198 for the 340 cast bullet. I haven't shot the jacketed bullets in quite a while and seem to have misplaced what data I did have for them.

[windwalker]

Fella's:
Anyone want to elaborate on their loads for their H&R's and BC's. I have shot approximately 2000 rounds through my BC and still having trouble getting it to settle down and shoot good "consistant" groups. My most accurate load is the 535 grain Postell bullet of any alloy over 27.5 grains of Re7. COL is 2.900. I have shot naked and PP both. I have a Leupold Rifleman 2x7 scope mounted on it which is very nice. My groups are shot at 100 yards. Best groups are around 1.5" but the rifle seems to not want to shoot consistantly. I have floated the forend , the trigger is a good crisp 4 to 4.5 pounds. Recoil is very managable with this powder charge. Velocity is about 1200 fps. the groups go all to hell with any bullet if i shoot faster than about 1300 fps.
Do any of you all have any of the same problems and if so, what was your remidy?
Do I have a lemon or what? Somebody give me some ideas.
Thanks
Jack
get your self the lee 5003r mould and shoot as cast, 20 to 1 mix it is a great bullet very very accurate.i get 1.5" groups at 100 meters out of my buff classic with the smith long rang sight and a lyman .404 globe up front with lee shaver inserts.i have even fitted gas checks to this bullet so i can shoot it faster 1550 to 1600 fps no leading and very very accurate.
bernie:)

[NickSS]

I have at least 10 rifles in 45-70 but they all shoot well. Some have the old standard trapdoor twist of 1 in 22 and others have a fast 1 in 18 twist. And some have to old standard of a 1 in 20 twist. The 1 in 18 twist is actually fairly new being only 10 or 12 years old. It was developed for guys who wanted to shoot long range with heavy bullets. It was found that out past 600 yards or so the 1 in 18 worked better than the 1 in 20 which was the industry standard until then. So 1 in 18 became the new industry standard. As a 400 gr bullet is not competitive past about 400 yards for target shooting anyone who is shooting them will do just as well with a 1 in 20 or even a 1 in 22 twist. Its only when you go past 600 yards with a 500+ gr bullet that the 1 in 18 shows has the potential for better accuracy. I should point out that before the invention of the 1 in 18 twist I shot my Sharps long range express in 45-70 at 1200 yards using a 500 gr Lyman Government style bullet and shot pretty good with it too as I won the match with a 50 8V (out of a possible 50 10V) on the old 5 V targets.

[littlejack]

Thanks all for the replies. Nice to have all of this expierience at hand for the asking. Many years of shooting knowledge copiled and all different types of results.
Nick, good information. Also, "Good shooting". Thanks a lot to all. good shooting to you all.
Jack

[kjg]

little jack have you thought about swiching to a differnt powder base, your gun just might be telling you that it"s not happy, with your powder choise, them things can be a bit like a lady ( no pun intended), my old buffalo classic was similar with re7, swiced to 2400 them settled on unique, and 17 grains jus me small opinion. kjg

[littlejack]

kjg:
I think I will try some different powders and see what happens. I do have some 2400 and a few others. Thanks for the tip and input.
Jack