Windows 10 updates to be automatic and mandatory for Home users

[ohland]

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/windows-10-updates-to-be-automatic-and-mandatory-for-home-users/

Micro$oft, do what we want and nobody gets hurt...

http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/28.79.html#subj23.1

"Now it will only take a National Security Letter for Microsoft to install some govt's malware (warrant completely optional). Only Enterprise users will be able to hold back the updates longterm."

Sweet.

[RayinNH]

I really love my Linux computer.

[bangerjim]

My son is using the beta of 10 and loves it. Much better than 8! I will update from 7 definitely.

I just do not understand why people on here are so against software updates....especially when they are FREE!!!!!!!! I know you will not be able to run 10 on a machine that barely runs 95 or 98 ( an antique program anyway ). But that is called moving forward with technology. This iPad has tons more power than my antique 95 machines of decades ago.

[2wheelDuke]

It's about being in control of something you paid your hard earned money for. I'm not against software updates, but I want to make sure that it won't screw things up on me instead of it just going ahead and I find out the hard way. It's a shame you have to be an "enterprise user" to decide that upgrades won't screw things up for you.

[MtGun44]

"Much better than 8" -- LOL!

That is a bit like saying much better than a car wreck! I will stick with Win 7, which has proven to be
very reliable and useable, until I have a chance to try out Win 10. Not going to make the mistake of
irreversibly going to a garbage OS like Win 8. Fortunately, I had the exposure to it setting up two
Win 8 machines for family members. I rushed out and bought a new desktop and two new laptops with
Win7, which was difficult to do, they were pushing Win 8 very hard at all the stores. All three
are nice, stable, useable machines while FIL's Win 8 is a steady headache.

I think Win 8 will go down in history as the worst OS every put out there in quantity.

NOT a Linux fan - used it for several years at work and to do real stuff it was a low
grade, permenant PITA, and pretty much every single "free software" package that
we tried to use for work was soon shown to be a sham, looks good but if you really
push on it doing serious work, it fails and there is nobody to fix it except the same
dope smoking guy in a basement in Denmark somewhere who wrote it and gave it
away for nothing. You get what you pay for, most of the time. No Linux for me
any more.

Bill

[Garyshome]

Well I will update to 10 although I also like 7 & 8.1.....But I can always format my hdd and load any OS I like at any time

[smokeywolf]

Windows update = obamacare for your computer.

Those updates, those conveniences come at the cost of your privacy and your ability to choose whether you wish to take part in them.

If it gets to the point where I can no longer choose which update or patch I want or need, I'll switch to Linux.

[RayinNH]

if it fails and there is nobody to fix it except the same dope smoking guy in Denmark.

Bill

A little harsh don't you think Bill. You also forgot to write "as opposed to the dope smoking guys in Redmond WA that keep Windows cobbled together :razz:".

For just surfing the net I use Linux. It does everything I need. For work I use Windows 7 Pro. Quickbooks and UPS software requires Windows. I will stick with 7 because it's partly supported until 2020 by then I'll need a new computer. At that I'll deal with Windows 15 :mrgreen:

[MtGun44]

Yes, if you just surf the net, Linux can be fine. I was doing real work and NEEDED it to WORK.

I also switched to Windows 7 Pro, a good stable platform. At least the bozo in Washington is A) getting PAID, so I
have SOME handle on him as a paying customer and 2) smoking dope at home, off working hours, if at all.

Near as I can tell, Linux folks are a bunch of folks not getting paid and putting out fairly inconsistent and very
frequently shoddy "free" software. Will "somebody" eventually fix it? Possibly, but if you worked with
Unix, the "normal industrial strength" OS very much you might notice that most of the serious backup and
restore utilities that were PART OF THE OS (not the stuff added on by various resellers) DID NOT WORK and
had lots of neat options in the backup that were not supported in the restore, and vice versa. Clearly the
BSD extensions were written individually as projects and NEVER were harmonized to work successfully together
in the basic UNIX kernel with BSD. Only the vendor specific versions added NEW backup and restore and a
bunch of other utilities that actually WORKED, but were then vendor specific, so Alpha UNIX would not actually
work with IBM UNIX or Alliant UNIX, etc, etc. At one time various software makers for the "standard UNIX"
had to have at least 5-8 teams of software conversion specialists to make versions that would run on each
different company's version of "Standard UNIX".

Been there, done that, got the T-shirts and the scars. Linux is a PITA if you need the "free, standard
application software" like various file viewers, editors, image viewers, mail systems, etc. to REALLY work, and
esp if you cannot or do not want to write your own drivers. Windows 7 is a good OS, most software works
reliably, essentially all vendors supply drivers and updates. Win 8 is a hideous mess from a UI standpoint,
dumping all previous standards of the Win UI for a phone app, highly inappropriate in a keyboard & mouse
driven business/document creation environment. If your PC has a touch screen and you use it like a
smart phone, you might like Win 8. If you do business or create content, primarily with a keyboard and
a mouse, you will struggle with Win 8. 8.1 is better in that some of the forced use of Win 8 UI is relaxed,
but still a PITA at heart.

Not at all sure what to imagine that Win 10 may be if they didn't fire the idiots in charge when Win 8 was released.

[andremajic]

If you don't have it already download WinXP and all the service packs and burn it onto a CD.

Still haven't upgraded and don't intend to do it. Malware and virus protection can be downloaded as separate programs.
I think I'll "opt out" of the "newest and greatest".

Every time Moore's Law kicks in and we get faster processors and RAM, the software geniuses make new bloatware that uses up all the system resources on fancy stuff that's not needed.

[bangerjim]

A lot of us on here do a heck of a LOT more than just "surf the net" in our spare time!!! I run a business off the computer systems and need/demand the latest, the fastest, and the bestest (!) professional grade software and OS, not some cobbled together freebee carp shoot, as described above.

[DougGuy]

I got a 32 bit and a 64 bit copy of 8 OEM. Didn't want the full blown bloatware. First time I ever PAID for anything M$. I guess I will be going to 10 soon.

It's nice having a legit account, but to be honest the best running winblows machines are the stripped down and thusly much faster and more stable and more secure isos done by some of the power users.

There are several GOOD XP isos, the best one only 184mb in size, XP Mini it is called and it is the best XP out there, hands down. It will take SP3 no problem.

There is also a Tiny 7, and the improved Tiny 7 revision 01 that runs it's behootie off, if you are going to stay on 7 and stay behind a router/hardware firewall and could care less about M$ updates, *THIS* is the windows you want. Can be found on Usenet sometimes, torrents at other times but well worth getting a copy and keeping it.

These are full blown Ultimate copies of windows with a metric ton of **** stripped out of them. They just work. Go figure.

[tryNto]

"Much better than 8" -- LOL!

That is a bit like saying much better than a car wreck! I will stick with Win 7, which has proven to be
very reliable and useable, until I have a chance to try out Win 10. Not going to make the mistake of
irreversibly going to a garbage OS like Win 8. Fortunately, I had the exposure to it setting up two
Win 8 machines for family members. I rushed out and bought a new desktop and two new laptops with
Win7, which was difficult to do, they were pushing Win 8 very hard at all the stores. All three
are nice, stable, useable machines while FIL's Win 8 is a steady headache.

I think Win 8 will go down in history as the worst OS every put out there in quantity.

NOT a Linux fan - used it for several years at work and to do real stuff it was a low
grade, permenant PITA, and pretty much every single "free software" package that
we tried to use for work was soon shown to be a sham, looks good but if you really
push on it doing serious work, it fails and there is nobody to fix it except the same
dope smoking guy in a basement in Denmark somewhere who wrote it and gave it
away for nothing. You get what you pay for, most of the time. No Linux for me
any more.

Bill

Guess you didn't ever use ME or Vista, definitely the 2 worst OS in the Windows lineup.
Have been using Win 8.1 for well over a year and after tweaking to my preferences, I find it to even be better then XP.
We run 2 different machines with 8.1 and not had a single problem.

[bangerjim]

If you want a fast machine......install a solid state hard drive for drive C! I have 500G ones that Win runs off and talk about fast!

Win7 PRO boots completely from power-up in less than 20 seconds. BIG GRAPHIC programs are there almost instantly at a click. Programs like Office open in < 3 seconds and after that they are there instantly! Put as much FAST ram in your box as you can stuff in there. And make sure when you buy a computer is has a many-core multi-thread processor and an ultra-high speed front-end-buss.

All that makes a WIN computer scream! And I see absolutely ZERO slow-down with Norton 360 as most on here always moan about.

With 2 large digital monitors, I can have many BIG pro graphic programs open at the same time with no loss of performance.

Only costs a little more to fly 1st class. But, then, you cannot do any of that with a machine from the WIN95 era.

[mjwcaster]

I just do not understand why people on here are so against software updates....especially when they are FREE!!!!!!!!

Maybe because some of us have seen these FREE updates break things too many times.
I just play with my own machine any more, but when I made a living doing it, I never installed updates just because they came out, unless it was a serious and immediate security violation, and even then I tested them before installing system wide.
Had test machines that updates were vetted on and then put together my own update package to push system wide.

Note- Pro/Enterpise seems to be excluded from the 'automatic' updates.
Could it be because experienced admins do not want to walk into work and find every machine broken before their morning coffee?

Especially is they have custom software solutions that have not been tested for compatibility by Microsoft.

And how well did the 8 to 8.1 upgrade go initially?
Lots of stuff broken, mysterious system slow downs, 100% utilization, printer drivers disappearing, had to find legacy drivers that worked etc.
One day the machine worked and then with an 'UPGRADE' things stopped working.

Non-windows, but worked on a project that the programmer pushed an update that crashed upon install, bricking all the devices in the field, every one of them that was online that night.

They had to be shipped back and I got to fix them.
Programmer was no longer able to make changes until I vetted them.

Yes I am one of those that still wants control of MY machine.

Just my experience.

[smokeywolf]

I already started shopping for a full version of Win 7 Ultimate. "Ultimate" because wife uses Japanese pretty extensively. There are a lot of chinese knock-offs out there though and most of those don't respond to the activation key.

[Handloader109]

No, win8 is Not the *** that Vista was....ME was better than it was. I had a laptop that would take many long minutes to boot up under Vista and crash quite often....whew, win 7 is so much better. And the upgrade to 10 link I got was optional not mandatory. I might not get updates, but it at least appears to be an option. I'll probably upgrade my cheap laptop as it has touch screen

[DougGuy]

If you want a fast machine......install a solid state hard drive for drive C! I have 500G ones that Win runs off and talk about fast!

Win7 PRO boots completely from power-up in less than 20 seconds. BIG GRAPHIC programs are there almost instantly at a click. Programs like Office open in < 3 seconds and after that they are there instantly! Put as much FAST ram in your box as you can stuff in there. And make sure when you buy a computer is has a many-core multi-thread processor and an ultra-high speed front-end-buss.

All that makes a WIN computer scream! And I see absolutely ZERO slow-down with Norton 360 as most on here always moan about.

With 2 large digital monitors, I can have many BIG pro graphic programs open at the same time with no loss of performance.

Only costs a little more to fly 1st class. But, then, you cannot do any of that with a machine from the WIN95 era.

Jim I have 3x Core2duo machines here clocking 4.0GHz, all booting from Windows installed on SSD, my main box has 4x 3TB drives in a RAID 1E array, dual LED/LCD monitors, it screams.. Even with this much horsepower, you can STILL tell a big lag when running full blown windows against the stripped versions. If winblows 10 doesn't cut it, I will be pulling the ripcord and baling back to my pirated and stripped win7.

[bangerjim]

More power to you. I, as most companies, can and will NOT run pirated software!

[Minerat]

I just do not understand why people on here are so against software updates....especially when they are FREE!!!!!!!! I

My main objection is that you have to up date your entire library of programs to run on the new OS. If they were compatible with the older software that I use then I'd probably chase the Microshaft OS programs but I have about $5000 invested in just one program that works just fine for my need. The problem is that it will not run on Win 7 or newer. To update this program I will need to pay a yearly subscription for $3000 to keep it running to get new features that have no value to me. I would have a total outlay of nearly $15,000 to up date my technical programs to run on a "FREE" operating system that might be good for 3 years. Aint gona to happen.

I built my computers to run the best software available at that time and I still have a DOS system that is very reliable and is more reliable then any window machine I own. It NEVER hangs, gets viruses or other maladies that my windows machines seem too have regularly. So my old expensive software still runs on XP using printers, plotters and digitizers that were built at the same time and my Win 7 laptop is a toy for playing on the Internet since it won't run the expensive XP of 98 programs I use at work. It's kind of sad that Microshaft has chosen to leave the small business person out in the cold.

OK I just jumped off my soap box. Sorry to fatigue your eyes but I needed that rant. Now back to the 5 year plan which is: If it won't matter in 5 years then why sweat it too much now cause life is too short as it is. :cool:

[MaryB]

I just spent 6 days rewriting the laser driver so it would install on Win7, no way am I updating again anytime soon! Worst part is it installed with the stock driver, Win7 updated, driver went by by and would not reinstall. I had to go through and learn how to write a driver(had never done it so a lot of time spent researching what each statement did) then go in and strip out all the bits and pieces of the driver that were for older OS's and rewrite a few parts to mke them Win7 compatible...

[Lead Fred]

Go to remove programs, and delete the update that ends in 355, then shut of auto-updates.

You wont get 10 until you turn auto updates back on, and 355 is reinstalled

[dromia]

I am a Linux convert for the past three years now. When I put it on my computer I partitioned it with Wndows XP just in case. It and its software has served me very well both for personal and business use.

It does all my accounts, firearms registers, photo editing for my website, documents, spreadsheets etc etc, I am no computer geek and can't and don't want to write programmes I just download software via the software manager it just installs and runs.

The only thing I need windows for, I have a laptop with Windows 7 on it, is quickload and my old Brother printer which I can't get Linux drivers for because of its age.

It is fast to load doesn't grid away updating into the darkness of the night like windows and is just easy to use, horses for courses no doubt but windows is a rip of and con from my experience and Linux is a no brainer choice now having worked up the courage to move.

Long live linux I say, also long live Microsoft because so long as most of the world uses micro****e then Linux will not be worth the attention of hackers, virus creators and malware purveyors so buy Windows 10 I say and embrace the microsoft dream it helps me no end.

[andremajic]

If you buy WinXP OEM, it can be had for peanuts. No need to pirate it. Since everyone wants the newest and greatest, the demand/price isn't there for it.

Download all 3 admin service packs and burn them on CD. If your system is ever screwed up too badly, wipe the drive, reinstall, and use your backups to restore your drive. You guys do backups right? A .02 CD or .10 DVD is Cheap insurance.

[standles]

Why am I against updates? I can't count the number of times a FREE update hosed my computer and I had to unscrew it. Additionally, all my computers are work related (read used to control/manage machinery) with one exception. When I get a system stable and it is not connected to the internet I don't give a rats butt whether I have the latest emoticons in my clipart library. I bought it, I upkeep it, I control it. Peddle your freeware/malware/poorly coded updates) elsewhere.

[dakotashooter2]

At work every time they "update" us it seems like we spend about 2 days down trying to fix the glitches..... And then everyone has to work their way through a lot of updates that don't have a significant impact on our operation anyway..........

[bangerjim]

From a computer systems engineer:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq

banger

[andremajic]

From a computer systems engineer:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq

banger

LOL. This is the message displayed after clicking the link:


The address wasn't understood

Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because one of the following protocols (wlmailhtml) isn't associated with any program or is not allowed in this context.

You might need to install other software to open this address.

I don't think I'll be installing software to view that page. :D

Andy

[ohland]

If you buy WinXP OEM, it can be had for peanuts. No need to pirate it. Since everyone wants the newest and greatest, the demand/price isn't there for it. Download all 3 admin service packs and burn them on CD. If your system is ever screwed up too badly, wipe the drive, reinstall, and use your backups to restore your drive. You guys do backups right? A .02 CD or .10 DVD is Cheap insurance.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but what will kill XP is when M$ no longer includes support for the OS in it's updates... People stop developing for an O/S based on user base. Win2K comes to mind.

NT4.... Abandonware. I have all SP (SP6a) but that does not include current codecs or HTML rendering. Eventually, M$ will field something that breaks compatibility and the coding world follows.

Other than security issues, I could switch to a nix, now that I don't have to use M$ products for compatibility...

[dragon813gt]

There was a lie in the article. Well sort of. They say Apple for the most part forces you to update iOS. This is a false statement. You have full control and don't have to update if you don't want to.

I'm waiting 10 out for awhile. It took me over an hour to get my printer working when I went for 8 to 8.1. And I have a bunch of issues w/ my jailbroken iPhone due to PTP/MTP on 8.1.

Forcing me to update is one way to make sure I don't use your product. I'm not a fan of the new model where you pay a monthly/yearly fee for a program. I want to buy it and own it, not lease it an have continual payments. Incremental updates are a good thing. But forcing those updates is bad business.

[bangerjim]

LOL. This is the message displayed after clicking the link:



I don't think I'll be installing software to view that page. :D

Andy

Well there must be something wrong with your system. I can click that link in the message above on my WIN7 PC, my iphone and my ipad and all go directly to the MS site that answers all the questions on 10.

Whatever you are running.....must not be normal software to view standard html pages.

banger

[RayinNH]

Well there must be something wrong with your system. I can click that link in the message above on my WIN7 PC, my iphone and my ipad and all go directly to the MS site that answers all the questions on 10.

Whatever you are running.....must not be normal software to view standard html pages.

banger

Linux also displays that link as well.

[tryNto]

LOL. This is the message displayed after clicking the link:



I don't think I'll be installing software to view that page. :D

Andy

My Firefox works just fine with that link.

[andremajic]

Probably an add on or security app that is preventing the scripts from running.

[Elkins45]

Just one more piece of evidence that I made the right choice with Mac OSX. I sometimes go weeks without a restart.

[brstevns]

Anyone but me not being able to download windows 10 because Nivida GeForce 6150 LE is not supported?

[brassrat]

All my MS updates and anything else have been off on my basic HP- 7 laptop and have been from day 1. I have had 0 problems and boot up takes around 20 sec. System restore has been worthless, but I am not sure why.

[dkf]

If I did need need Windows for work I would never buy another Microsoft product again. Their track record of garbage product speak for itself.

[Tackleberry41]

I don't allow anything to auto update on my computer. Adobe reader comes bundled with one of the virus programs in it, if it was so good they wouldn't have to sneak it in. Can't count how many times an auto update tore up a computer and took alot of effort to fix it. They will always point out well it conflicted with something else, well duh, most of use various programs, the companies want you to use only their products. And most of us get tired of buying new programs with every upgrade. I gave up on microsoft word, not going to run out and buy a new copy all the time. Open office is free and does the exact same thing. Its word processor, not really that complicated.

I have had the little windows 10 update in the bottom right corner for a while, easy to ignore, but today it actually had a window pop up on start up to offer it to me. We all know how generous microsoft is, so all of a sudden their offering something 'free', you know there are long strings attached. Maybe there is some way to disable that offer so I don't have to look at it every morning.

[dromia]

The best way of disabling microshaft is to switch to Linux.

[MaLar]

The best way of disabling microshaft is to switch to Linux.
I second that!

[brstevns]

Is there a update or patch for the Nivida Geforce 6150 Le to make it compatible for windows 10. I get a not supported message when trying to do the up grade for Windows 10.

[smokeywolf]

If you want to watch a movie or video on Win 10 forget using Windows Media Player; that's extra. Media Player no longer comes with Windows. You have to download that from Micro$oft at about $16.00.

[dragon813gt]

If you want to watch a movie or video on Win 10 forget using Windows Media Player; that's extra. Media Player no longer comes with Windows. You have to download that from Micro$oft at about $16.00.

One time fee or the monthly fee model that software makers have switched to? VLC Player is far superior and free.

[dakotashooter2]

The problem comes with some of us who are tec challenged. Most systems do more than I care to learn and when a new one comes out every few years I have to start learning it all over again. I'm of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" school. The other thing is when they some out with something new no mater how easy they say it is when you load it, it screws up something which you have to hire a tec guy to fix if you are not computer savy.

[brstevns]

Bump to #42.

[marlin39a]

I run Windows 7. I think it's perfect. I tried Windows 10. It gave me display problems. Firefox had issues with it. My Firearms Inventory Program was not liked by 10. Fortunately, I was able to go back to Windows 7 as they give you 30 days.