what is this? ..... got it for $87.50

[mozeppa]

what's it worth?

has "England" stamped in it upside down above trigger...has multiple cartouches that look chinese all over it.

in English it says "cal 38"

is double action only and you can't cock it with the hammer.

star wheel is really good and the indexing pawl looks perfect.
probably carried a lot...but rarely fired.

so...what is it?

[scb]

http://www.davismilitaria.com/Webley%20Revolver.htm

[scarry scarney]

I had a "Tankers Webley" myself years ago. It was a lot of fun, double action only, 38 S&W (not special). I regretted letting her go. Couple of years ago, I picked up a Regular 380 Webley. Not the same, but it satisfied my loss.

[FergusonTO35]

If that is the original configuration you got a Webley or Enfield .38-200 "Tanker" revolver from the WWII period. $87.50 is a steal, not many of them on this side of the pond. Alot of them are still carried in police service in India.

[Combat Diver]

Not a Webley MkIV but a Enfield No2 Mk 1* Standard issued during WWII to Commonwealth troops firing the .38/200 British cartridge. You can use .38 S&W cartridges (not .38 S&W Special). I've found a few of those over here in Iraq (03-08)

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/P3200176_British_revolvers_rz.JPG
Top Enfield No2 Mk1 (no * as this one is DA/SA)
Middle Webley MkIV
Bottom Webley MkVI


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[Dutchman]

Probably Hong Kong police.

What is on the brass disc on the grip? Can't read it.

Dutch

[Tatume]

Nice find!

[FergusonTO35]

I read here awhile back that Webley is planning to bring back the .455. Mozeppa, you need to get one so you have both calibers!

[Hardcast416taylor]

I believe that the hammerless model was also used by the RAF due to its light weight.Robert

[mozeppa]

the medallion says M.E. PARIS

he was the owner and his son stamped the name on it.
then the son got it after dad died now the son is in his late 60's

and he sold it to me.

[thekidd76]

That's an interesting sale price...how did he/you come up with that exactly?

[MtGun44]

If he got it in Paris, most likely it was a war trophy of some sort. Could be a story
there. I was talking with a Brit who ran tours at Normandy and the countryside is still
filled with arms from the war, some legally owned, lots not. Not meaning the ones
laying in the ground, not yet found, but the ones picked up and kept by the locals,
regardless of what the regulations were or are. He had an M1 carbine that was
recently located behind a beam in the loft of a barn, thin film of rust but basically
in great shape. Not approved by the local gendarmes, and apparently they
confiscate many to this day, and he said the best ones wind up in THEIR
collections!

Bill

[thekidd76]

I think Paris was his last name if I read it right.

[Scharfschuetze]

My dad had one when I was growing up as a house gun. I took it out in the fields a few times and had fun blasting tree stumps and what not with it. The 38 S&W round is pretty anemic and if the sun was behind me, I could see the bullets fly through the air. It was pretty accurate and I learned how to shoot double action with it and that stood me in good stead when using DA revolvers on the PD.

By the way, the original No 2 revolver had a hammer spur and could be cocked, but the spur caught on equipment in tanks and other AFVs. The Royal Tank Corps, as I understand it, requested the spurless model No 2 Mk I* for convenience inside their vehicles.

[9.3X62AL]

I have one of these in pretty decent shape, and shoot it with a load consisting of Starline 38 S&W cases--CCI 500 primers--3.0 grains of Unique or 3.3 grains of Herco--and the NEI #169A bullet, a 202 grain RN adapted to this caliber's quirks. The bullet at .810" length is longer than the case it fits into (.775"), but at 25 yards the concoctions shoot right to the sights sized @ .363" in either the Webley/Enfield or a S&W M&P I have in same caliber. It is no wonder cartridge in regard to energy downrange, but the 200 grain bullets hit iron targets at 25 yards with a lot more authority at 650 FPS than do 150 grain 38s at 725 FPS. The Brits might have been on to something with their heavy-for-caliber regimen in 38 S&W.

ETA--Loads listed here are meant for the Webley/Enfield, the S&W M&P, or Ruger Speed-Six and Service-Six revolvers chambered in 38/200 ONLY. DO NOT USE in any other top-break revolver, or small-frame revolvers chambered in 38 S&W.

[FergusonTO35]

I always thought a .38 S&W loaded smartly for a strong gun would be cool. In a snub nose it would reduce the cylinder length. Buffalo Bore now makes a high velocity .38 S&W that still holds to SAAMI specs.

[gifford]

That's a nice old Enfield revolver, you got it for a fire sale price. I'll double your money right now. :bigsmyl2: They generally bring plus minus 250-300 dollars around these parts. The nice Enfield ones a bit more. GB has a lot of them asking around 400 plus. No bids btw.

During WWII they were made by Enfield and some by Albion. Although the 38 S&W cartridges will work for casual shooting, with the correct bullet 200 grains, they can shoot quite well. My Enfield Mark II is unconverted .i.e. it still has the hammer spur. Some were 'dehorned' the rest made that way. BTW mine is marked R.A.F. dated 1939.

I also have a few other similar .38 Kyber Pass "webleys" quality varies from fair to poor.

[Trinidad Bill]

Nice piece for a nice price. They lock up like a drum. I paid $300+ for my Enfield No. 2.http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/01/eaad5de5933914eb44522beba64cd99f.jpg

[Trinidad Bill]

Not a Webley MkIV but a Enfield No2 Mk 1* Standard issued during WWII to Commonwealth troops firing the .38/200 British cartridge. You can use .38 S&W cartridges (not .38 S&W Special). I've found a few of those over here in Iraq (03-08)

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/P3200176_British_revolvers_rz.JPG
Top Enfield No2 Mk1 (no * as this one is DA/SA)
Middle Webley MkIV
Bottom Webley MkVI


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That top one, MK1 with the hammer spur is hard to find over here.

[Thin Man]

Some time ago the Speer handloading manual (Version #7, I think) had load data for the .38 S&W that was genuinely HOT. It was meant to be used only in solid frame (and probably not even the small frame) revolvers. IIRC, this consisted of the lighter 125 grain J-load and got pressures and bullet speed very close to the .38 Special. I fired several of the starting loads of this data through a S&W Terrier (new manufacture solid J-frame) and they were impressive, as opposed to the original factory loads.

Thin Man