Winchester 1895 or 1886 Take Down

[Just Duke]

I am torn between the Winchester 1895 405 and the 1886 Wichester Take Down Deluxe 45-70.WOW!!! After seeing the 1886 45-70 with a full length magazine tube today I am entranced with it.
Which would you guys get? Not much dif in price so no option there.
I am swinging toward the 1886. It's just freakin cool!!!


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[4060MAY]

buy both :drinks:

[6pt-sika]

The savings would be in components , you're already set up for the 45-70 with dies moulds and such !

So with the 1886 the entire cost is for the rifle !

Where as with the 1895 in 405 you will drop a couple hundred more in brass , dies and a mould or two .

[James C. Snodgrass]

I'de get the 95 because I would want to get additional barrels , 338-06,35 Whelan , 375 Whelan, 411 Hawk, maybe something puny like a 30-06. I don't think you can go wrong with either one. Good luck James:)

[Jon K]

'86 X2
Besides all that's been said, it's a Take Down, and the bigger boolit selection available.

Jon

[Le Loup Solitaire]

I have both except my 86 is not a take down but a 26" orangatang barrel with full mag. Fully loaded it hefts like a barbel, but the weight is appreciated when using healthy loads behind a 405 grain boolit and moreso with a 500 grainer. The takedown model is a beautiful rifle. The 95 in 405 is the most powerful lever action combo ever built. Both rifles with these cartridges loaded to factory specs are more than adequate for hunting the biggest game in N. Anerica as in either case the ME is up around 3200 foot pounds. It is true that brass for the 405 is pretty spendy...around $40-45. for 50 new cases from Midsouth. There's not a big selection of cast boolits available either beyond Lyman #412263. There is much more selection in the world of 45-70 as far as cast boolits go and the brass is somewhat cheaper to start with. Both rifles don't adjust for windage but the original 95 had a sporting rear sight that did. Neither normally would hardly be considered for target shooting anyway, considering ballistics and trajectories,(but it might be fun trying).
So with much of the foregoing already probably known by you, I guess what it really comes down to is what or which you really like the most. The solution would be to have both, but with the price that they probably want for one of them, it might not be practical unless the problem of choice torments you to the point of a re-fi on something you own. Been there and done that....thats why I've got both of them. LLS

[Just Duke]

I have both except my 86 is not a take down but a 26" orangatang barrel with full mag. Fully loaded it hefts like a barbel, but the weight is appreciated when using healthy loads behind a 405 grain boolit and moreso with a 500 grainer. The takedown model is a beautiful rifle. The 95 in 405 is the most powerful lever action combo ever built. Both rifles with these cartridges loaded to factory specs are more than adequate for hunting the biggest game in N. Anerica as in either case the ME is up around 3200 foot pounds. It is true that brass for the 405 is pretty spendy...around $40-45. for 50 new cases from Midsouth. There's not a big selection of cast boolits available either beyond Lyman #412263. There is much more selection in the world of 45-70 as far as cast boolits go and the brass is somewhat cheaper to start with. Both rifles don't adjust for windage but the original 95 had a sporting rear sight that did. Neither normally would hardly be considered for target shooting anyway, considering ballistics and trajectories,(but it might be fun trying).
So with much of the foregoing already probably known by you, I guess what it really comes down to is what or which you really like the most. The solution would be to have both, but with the price that they probably want for one of them, it might not be practical unless the problem of choice torments you to the point of a re-fi on something you own. Been there and done that....thats why I've got both of them. LLS

Thanks Le Loop! So does your 1886 have a pistol grip? Do you have any pics of your rifles Le Loup? :-D
Yes I too am swinging towards the 45-70 also. I just need to sell some more stuff.

[Just Duke]

'86 X2
Besides all that's been said, it's a Take Down, and the bigger boolit selection available.

Jon

Yep! :drinks:

[6pt-sika]

I am a Marlin person and I think there aren't to many people who are not aware of this fact !

And I might add if you want a "retro" type lever then the Marlin 1895CB in 45-70 is not a bad way to go as long as you can live with the crossbolt safety !

But I to have a soft spot for "some" of the Winchesters . Namely the 1895 in 405 WCF , the 1886 in 50-110 , the 1876 in 50-95 and the Model 71 in 348 WCF .

So personally if it were me and I know I already said get the 1886 . I believe I would opt for the 405 WCF just because I don't have a 405 WCF , nothing against the 1886 in 45-70 but I already own 5 Marlin's in 45-70 !

Now if they made the 1886 remake in 50-110 there would be no question and as a matter of fact I would probably be looking for one myself [smilie=1:

[Don McDowell]

The price difference between 405 and 45-70 brass isn't all that great. 405 brass from Hornady will take at least a dozen full power loads before any problems are encountered , such as case mouth splits etc or case length becomes a problem.
If you push 45-70 to the kind of limits it takes to even try and breath the dust of the 405 , brass life isn't so good.
Bullet selection isn't all that bad for the 405 either, a good many of the 40 cal rifle bullet molds will work allright . I have a 400 gr snover for the 40-65 that throws 400 gr bullets big enough to work fine in the 405, and can be pushed to 1800 or so without much fuss. Have shot bullets from the RCBS 350,and 400 gr CSA molds , and the 416 gc 325 gr mold sized to 413 with good results.
Contrary to what alot of folks have said in the past about how miserable the 95's are to carry , I found it to be just fine for wandering around for days at 9000 ft in pursuit of elk. Works equally well for chasing whitetail thru the Black Hills, and no real complaints with it chasing antelope in the south pasture.

[StrawHat]

I have to recommend the 405.

Not that expensive to reload, brass dies etc. You only need one bullet mold, Lyman 412236, (although I am getting ready to try the RCBS 350 grain bullet).

The rifle is fairly lightweight, well balanced and points great.

In a previous thread, I mentioned the ability to get different barrels, a very expensive proposition. But way cool.

Mine is not a takedown.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/WinchesterModel1895001.jpg

A sight option from when the Lyman "classic" was unavailable.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/Win1895action002.jpg

No need to go beyond original ballistics. 300 grains at +/- 2200 fps. Look through the old manuals to find recipes.

[Just Duke]

I couldn't make up my mind so I am getting both.
Glad I never had any children because I am spending somebodies inheritence. lol

[xtimberman]

Both '86s and '95s rock!

I forgot - did you get a takedown M-1895 in .30-'06, too?

I guess we can count on you to post photos when they arrive?

Now you need another Dillon 650! :mrgreen:

xtm

[Just Duke]

Both '86s and '95s rock!

I forgot - did you get a takedown M-1895 in .30-'06, too?

I guess we can count on you to post photos when they arrive?

Now you need another Dillon 650! :mrgreen:

xtm

Yep! You can count on some pics. I am gonna need something to play with while the Marlin XLR 1895's are in for surgery.

Well? Here are the pics of Marlins to start with XTimberman.:-D
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=28396

I am working on a trade for 2 preowned 650's as we speak. ;)

Kinda looking at some SPBT 200 grainers in the .06. I think Hornady makes some.

[Old Ironsights]

My Davidson's 1886 TD

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/IMG_0799.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/IMG_0800.jpg

I never got into 1895s.

[Lloyd Smale]

I finally have an 86. Ive wanted one for a long time. theres just something about the traditional way they look and the majical sounds that come out of them when you work the action. 95s are neat too but they just dont do it for me like an 86.

[Just Duke]

I am going to use cloth 1919 belts for bandoleers and to store the ammo on.
Badjaz? We don't need no stinkin badjaz!

[Just Duke]

Looks like I am going ahead with the 1895 Take Down now that I have 3 1886 Winchesters. This should be a real fun one to cast and load for.

[xtimberman]

After you've been beat around by your '86 heavy ordnance, you'll shoot some 220gr. cast bullet loads in your '95 and think it's a big .22LR!

My '95 is a .30-40, but most .30'06 '95s love cast bullets too. Most of my reduced cast loads use SR-4759.

Try to find Lyman #311284 and #311290. Both are GC designs and usually shoot well in the '06.

xtm

[jkingrph]

86 is a smoother action and unless you get the lightweight is very heavy. My 86 repro is a takedown and I rarely take it down. The 95 is a rather neat action, my repro is not a takedown but is a 405 which is a much more powerful cartridge than the 45-70, at least in standard loadings. My 95 is much lighter in weight than the 86 and the shotgun type buttplate is much more comfortable to shoot than the crescent style on the 86.

I say get both, you probably will not be satisfied with less.

[muleequestrian]

I have a Winchester 1895 SRC ( not a take down ) in .30-06. It digests pb projectiles ( 200 grain gas checked ) pretty well. I use SR - 4759 and a mix of lino - wheel weights water quenched from the mold. I'm shooting them around 2100 - 2200 fps. They work great on deer. The SRC is lightweight and ideal for hunting up here in Maine's north woods.

[Just Duke]

BTT for a boring Friday night. <yawn>

[KirkD]

I couldn't make up my mind so I am getting both.
Sounds like a good decision. Two first-class rifles .... you can't go wrong.

[Clay M]

I have the (new) Win 1895 .405 in a Takedown rifle. It shoots great. I even bought a leg of mutton case for it so I can carry it easy on horseback.