Matthews 457677 Lubrication Question

[tangsight]

Several years ago, I posted a thread here (in Muzzleloading) about an un-cooperative rifle that plagued me with chronic misfires. The help I received was immediate and friendly, and although computers make me feel like a 19th century man lost in the 21st century, I've lurked on the edges here ever since. And now I have need of more information

I have a Pedersoli Sharps in .45-70, and I'm interested in the concept of loading the boolit out a ways to maximize the powder charge. I need a mould for a bore rider bullet, and the Matthews 457677 from Lyman looks good to me. But I don't understand how the grooves with the smaller diameters aren't over-filled with lubricant by the lubri-sizer. Surely you wouldn't allow the nose to be sloppy with lube?

I'm sure there is something simple I'm missing here, but my lurking skills are limited, and I can't find anywhere where this aspect of this bullet is addressed.

[Chill Wills]

Pan Lube is how, fills them just right- works well

[rfd]

i prefer dip lubing. i find this method as fast or faster than pan lubing. for sizing, if required, i use a lee sizing die. use any boolit lube recipe ya like, i prefer gatofeo.

i drill out the primer pocket on a case to 3/16" or 1/4", expand the case mouth to just slip fit over the entire boolit (pre-sized or un-sized), use a piece of dowel as a bullet push-out rod (the tip of the dowel can be concaved, to best fit over pointed boolits).

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[Don McDowell]

I'm interested in the concept of loading the boolit out a ways to maximize the powder charge. I need a mould for a bore rider bullet, and the Matthews 457677 from Lyman looks good to me
I would suggest one of the "M3" money bullets from Buffalo Arms. Those have the first 2 bands tapered and are designed to be seated longer.
Pan lubing, or adjusting the lubrisizer properly and wiping the slop over from the nose.
Using a good lube is the most important step.

[tangsight]

I'll check out the money bullets. Is that actually someone's name, or more of a description?

Once I see them, maybe I'll understand better. Right now, it still looks like whatever sizing device is used, the uppermost driving band is submerged in lubricant that will not be removed because the sizer is roughly the diameter of the lower bands.

[powderburnerr]

you can pan lube that bullet nicely just push it out base first

[Don McDowell]

Tangsight "money bullet" is a handle that was put on this bullet design, because they thought it was going to put the first guy to shoot it in competition "in the money" and it did, and has caught fire and is one of the most copied and shot styles in bpcr today. As far as any lube extending out on the nose, a package of those tea towels sold at most dept. stores will take care of removing that problem for years.
Start on this page and sort thru looking at the different money bullets http://www.buffaloarms.com/.42-.45_caliber_grease_groove_bullet_moulds_pr-4157.aspx?CAT=4157
You might also want to have a look at the already cast offering from www.bigskycastbullets.com (http://www.bigskycastbullets.com) and try some ready mades before leaping off into the mould of the month club.

[John Boy]

Tangsight: I shoot the Matthews 457667 and pan lube them. They look as nice as rfd's dipped bullets

[MT Chambers]

A properly set up lubesizer, whether Lyman,Rcbs, or Star will do a good clean job without leaving lube where it shouldn't be, who starts all these rumors?

[tangsight]

I admit it, I started the rumor. I'd read an article about the deleterious effect on accuracy of globs of lube on the noses of obturating bullets, and I got all concerned about the tapered design I wanted so badly. Sounds like I just need to adopt the "kiss principle".

In college I ended up with hundreds of books I didn't particularly want. The mould of the month club doesn't sound so bad. I had seen the Big Sky offering; that's probably a ggod place to begin actually spending money. Thanks for the guidance.

[Chill Wills]

A properly set up lubesizer, whether Lyman,Rcbs, or Star will do a good clean job without leaving lube where it shouldn't be, who starts all these rumors?

Hey MT Chambers, Questions. How do you set up the lubesizer for a tapered bullet to get just the tapered grooves full but no extra? Or do you live with the small extra that comes with it and wipe it as needed?

[Gunlaker]

Tangsight, if you order the right sized bullet you won't need to do any sizing. The Buffalo Arms money bullets work well. With the right sized bullet you'll be happy with pan lubing them in SPG and pushing them out from the base. My lubrisizer is only used for hold rags :-)

Chris.

[John Boy]

How do you set up the lubesizer for a tapered bullet to get just the tapered grooves full but no extra?
Wills - lube sizers are made for straight sided bullets ... so you can't. Pan lubing will though

[Chill Wills]

Wills - lube sizers are made for straight sided bullets ... so you can't. Pan lubing will though

Oh my!
John, John, John!
I think you misunderstood my question. ;-)

You and I can't lube a tapered bullet in a lube-sizer, or not easily do it without additional mess to take care of.
I made something of a rhetorical question, but, MT might teach us something and that is how we pick up new info on here. Right?

We agree, pan lube is the way to go and is easy and fast when you know what to do and what kind of lubes to use.

[Sharpsman]

I found out wrapping a PAPER PATCH around a smooth-sided bullet....works best of all!

[Red River Rick]

I found out wrapping a PAPER PATCH around a smooth-sided bullet....works best of all!

Now, that there is some good sound advice! :wink:

RRR

[Bad Ass Wallace]

I finger lube mine at the firing line. Seated as shown the 45/70 holds 77gn and the 40/65 a full 68gn FFFG

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