.35 Remington Marlin

[RoninDelaware]

Recently aquired a Marlin 336 with the micro grooved barrel. I have an old Ideal mold for a 204 gr RN boolit. I've been reading mixed reviews on what to size it down to; .358-.359. is this micro groove barrel going to help or hinder me. This is a 1st having to deal with this type. If anyone has some input, I would appreciate it. A good solid powder that pushes well with this round, would also be interesting to know.

[MostlyLeverGuns]

The real answer is found by shooting. Bigger is usually better. Whatever chambers without a problem will USUALLY produce the best results. There are all kinds of stuff you can do to try to guess the result. ROUNDS DOWN RANGE is the ultimate answer. I've used .359 and .360 in my .35 Marlin and .358 Win.

[MostlyLeverGuns]

MicrGroove might work better with 'harder' bullets and again bigger, maybe .360 , .361 if it will chamber. I like Accurate 2015, 3031 also works well for top loads, Accurate 5744 works well for easy shooting.

[RoninDelaware]

Good. Thanks Guys/ I have .359 sizer coming in the mail. I'm a little excited to try it out. I'll play with it, if I need to go bigger I will. Better to get input than slug the barrel. I appreciate it. Now, as for the powder, Im reading that slower burn powders take up too much room. Is that the case here? A faster powder is also frowned upon because of the microgrooved barrel, nothing should exceed 16,ooo

[richhodg66]

Never used it in a Micro Groove, but that Lyman 204 grain RN shot pretty well in my old Marlin at low velocity levels, never did try it with deer hunting types of loads. Good advice to cast a little harder and size a little bigger for the Micro Groove.

For what it's worth, I've been working with the RCBS 200 grain flat nose, or rather, the NOE clone of it and am about convinced now that it is the end all for bullet design for the .35 Remington and .358 Winchester. You might want to look at getting a mold for it.

[fatnhappy]

Never used it in a Micro Groove, but that Lyman 204 grain RN shot pretty well in my old Marlin at low velocity levels, never did try it with deer hunting types of loads. Good advice to cast a little harder and size a little bigger for the Micro Groove.

For what it's worth, I've been working with the RCBS 200 grain flat nose, or rather, the NOE clone of it and am about convinced now that it is the end all for bullet design for the .35 Remington and .358 Winchester. You might want to look at getting a mold for it.

I'm in agreement. With absolutely no empirical data to support my opinion other than the small sample of rifles I own, I believe designs with shorter noses and consequently greater percentages of bearing surface perform better with micro groove rifling than round nose designs.

That being said, the saeco 200 shoots just as well as the RCBS in my micro groove .35 remington. Both perform well with max loads. The round nose lyman hasn't really set the world on fire for me. The same can be said of the 311291 in my .30-30 at speeds over 13 grains of 2400.

On the other hand, my cousin has a pump action remington in .35 and it shoots the lyman into tiny little groups. I gave him the mould.

[Yodogsandman]

Sized to .358" using the 204gr Lyman 358315 for two different microgroove 35 rems. With 11.0gr Unique, they would shoot into an inch at 100 yards. Low recoil, low cost but, big fun!

[JWFilips]

Only because I wanted to shoot all my stored away guns with cast boolits I recently started shooting my Marlin 336 35 Remington ( Micro groove) my Dad Bought me in 1964 ( Somewhere on this forum I tell it's whole story!)
I had some commercial cast BHN 18 (They claim) sized .360 boolits in my larder Some nice wimpy loads of 6 .0 Grain bullseye puts a 125grain TC hard bullet into ragged one hole groups at 50 yards with a scope of 4x...& I like that because it doesn't mess up my shoulder a bit. Factory loads beat me up pretty well but I'm an old dude. I just like punching paper...for what it's worth

[44man]

Had one long ago and it would do 1/2" at 100 with Hornady bullets but I could not shoot cast. I now know the Lyman mold cast way too small for the Marlin. Size matters in them.

[Dan Cash]

If you can chamber .360 bullets or your cast bullet as cast (un sized) you have a good chance it will work. Don't need to be all that hard; BNH 12-14 should work if the bullet is big enough.

[RoninDelaware]

all great information guys. Now I'm also looking for brass casings in.35 remington why is this brass so hard to find? Any good links? The 20 some odd sites I've seen are SOLD OUT

[fatnhappy]

Yeah, good luck with that. Your best bet is to buy them from grumpa.

[EDG]

35 Rem has gotten progressively harder to find over the last 15 years. The last 5 have seen everyone buying and hoarding it.
I am not sure Winchester even sells it anymore leaving mostly Remington the sole source.


all great information guys. Now I'm also looking for brass casings in.35 remington why is this brass so hard to find? Any good links? The 20 some odd sites I've seen are SOLD OUT

[stubert]

35 rem 200 grain factory is going for 40.00 a box at my local gun store.

[JWFilips]

A guy on Swappin Sellin has some of Grumpa's listed
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?278976-35-Remington-Brass-97-pieces-55-shipped

[dubber123]

Good. Thanks Guys/ I have .359 sizer coming in the mail. I'm a little excited to try it out. I'll play with it, if I need to go bigger I will. Better to get input than slug the barrel. I appreciate it. Now, as for the powder, Im reading that slower burn powders take up too much room. Is that the case here? A faster powder is also frowned upon because of the microgrooved barrel, nothing should exceed 16,ooo

Try a few as cast, with just the check seated and see if they chamber freely. If they do, thats the size I would start at. My NOE copy of the RCBS 35-200, (awesome boolit), casts a bit over .361" and thats what I size to for my Micro-Groove Marlin. I have firelapped my barrel, but my last 50 yd. iron sight group was sub 1", for 5 shots, with 9Bhn air cooled 50/50 WW-Pb alloy. Velocity was close to 2,200 fps. Yes, faster than factory, and not a spec of lead in the bore. I ran out of case capacity with 3 different powders before trying H-4198. Have fun!

[Djones]

RCBS 35-200 water dropped 50/50 ww/pb sized and checked to 0.360"
41 grains of lvr works wonders in all three microgroove 35s ive tried it in

[richhodg66]

I keep hearing good things about that LVR powder. I need to get a pound and try it out.

[outdoorfan]

RCBS 35-200 water dropped 50/50 ww/pb sized and checked to 0.360"
41 grains of lvr works wonders in all three microgroove 35s ive tried it in


What kind of velocities are you getting with that combo?

[TXGunNut]

I keep hearing good things about that LVR powder. I need to get a pound and try it out.


Get two, you don't want to run out.

[Djones]

What kind of velocities are you getting with that combo?

off the top of my head 2100ish. I risk waking my kids who are both under three years old if I walk down the hall to the garage. I will verify and get back with you.

[RoninDelaware]

$29.00 box of 20 here. 200 gr Hornady Leverevolution. May as well. Goin to reload it anyway. Sheeit. Hated doing it

[GooseGestapo]

I was getting ~4-5" groups from my M336w/mg bbl .35 using several .38 pistol mold designs. GC and non-GC.
I got an RCBS 200gr FNGC mold and .360" sizer. Voila!
Tried several loads that gave good accuracy with jacketed bullets over the years.
Ive settled on 39.0gr of BLC2. Gives 2,000fps and 5-shot groups under 2"@100yds.
Took two deer with it this past season. With a 1/8"x3/8" drilled hollow point, gives "smack" and penetration of Remington Corlokts.

[square butte]

You may be unpleasantly surprised when you measure case length of your fired hornady lever revolution rounds. They are cut shorter than standard 35 Rem cases to accommodate their proprietary slug.

[Budzilla 19]

RoninDelaware, pm me your address and I'll send you 13 empties I found in a box of stuff from a friend that was retiring from a lifetime of shooting. That's all I can do to help you with this project, I kindly defer the rest of the advice to the more experienced in this endeavor. Good shooting to you.

[gpidaho]

RoninD: Send Grumpa a PM as to availability. The 35rem cases I bought from Matt work great in my rifle. They were converted from Lake City 308. I'm not sure you'll like the short case of the Hornady factory ammo, but we all do what we must in a pinch. If all else fails PM me your address and I'll send ya a few to get you going. GP

[Djones]

You may be unpleasantly surprised when you measure case length of your fired hornady lever revolution rounds. They are cut shorter than standard 35 Rem cases to accommodate their proprietary slug.


1.914" before sizing. Right on the money.

The 45-70 and other may be shortened but the Hornady 35 rem brass is good brass.

[outdoorfan]

off the top of my head 2100ish. I risk waking my kids who are both under three years old if I walk down the hall to the garage. I will verify and get back with you.

Thanks. In your load development, did you get diminishing results going faster with that powder, or was it a matter of "good enough", or was perhaps the recoil overly punishing at the highest levels? Or maybe that 41 grain load is the highest level?

[Djones]

Thanks. In your load development, did you get diminishing results going faster with that powder, or was it a matter of "good enough", or was perhaps the recoil overly punishing at the highest levels? Or maybe that 41 grain load is the highest level?


41.6 grains gave me 2080 fps 42 grains was compressed and wasn't any more accurate.

[outdoorfan]

41.6 grains gave me 2080 fps 42 grains was compressed and wasn't any more accurate.


I appreciate that info. Sometime soon I will start load development with the NOE Rcbs 35 200 in a .35/30 that JES just converted for me. I have a couple pounds of Leverevolution on hold for me at the local sporting goods store to be picked up tomorrow. I also have Varget, H380, W748, RL15, Benchmark, and H4895.

I'm hoping to have one "best" load that gets me decent accuracy and close to 2,150-2,200 fps for hunting, and then one everyday load that will probably run 2000-2,050. I need to use up these powders, as I don't have anything else to shoot them in. Anyway, maybe Leverevolution will give me the best chance at maximum velocity with good enough accuracy. Or maybe I'm just dreaming to get over 2,050-2,100 with any load. LOL!

[Djones]

I don't have time for multiple loads in my guns these days. I've done some playing around just to learn but now find one ideal load for each gun. That way I don't have to mess with the sights and get to know the bullet drop.

I'm jealous of your 35-30! Once you get some loads going please share some pics and stats. Good luck!

David Jones

[outdoorfan]

That's the nice thing about the Lyman 66 receiver sight. It can accurately and very quickly hold two separate zero's. All it takes is a couple seconds to adjust between the two. Very accurate and reliable.

If it were a rifle scope, I wouldn't trust the repeatability of most scopes to switch back and forth, that's for sure.

[TXGunNut]

$29.00 box of 20 here. 200 gr Hornady Leverevolution. May as well. Goin to reload it anyway. Sheeit. Hated doing it

Last I heard Remington is still producing 35 Rem ammo. Not as good as Hornady brass but holds up well in my experience.