Winchester 1895 405 Take-Down

[Just Duke]

Figured I would start a new thread for the 405 Winchester 1895 405 Take-Down

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/50%20CALIBERFORUM/189530--06TAKE-DOWN.gif

This is cool!

#21 Type Blued Receiver Sight for Model 95 & 86's

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,7197.html


http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,7199.html



Can't find a cast bullet mould with a gas check.




A box of 50 cases is an instock item with Midsouth shooters Supply for around $40They are manufactured by Hornady and its good strong brass. The most popular cast boolit for the 405 is Lyman #412263 which is the original bullet design for the 405. It weighs around 290 grains and can be loaded to around 2200 fps which was pretty much the factory velocity in the heyday of the 1895/405. It wallops at both ends. The mold is a special order item through Midsouth for 40 some odd dollars and a short waiting time. It is written up currently by another forum member. I dunno about Greek ammo specs, but you can always load some empty 06 brass and work up a good loading with the help of a good loading manual. The 1895 is a great rifle. Mine is a Win original with 5 serial numbers and I take good care of it. LLS

[Just Duke]

Here is the bullet mould Le Loup was referring to.


http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=396774

[Wayne Smith]

Bullshop had a 350 LBT mold for this. It's what I'm shooting out of mine. It too thumps on both ends. I'm pushing them at 2000fps. Mine's not a takedown, though.

350gr boolit vs. boar, boar lost.

[frank505]

Try the RCBS 350 grain gas check that is made for the 416's. We have shot a bunch sized to .414 with great results, a 310 grain Mountain Molds is the leader in one shot kills on buffalo heifers(56 grains of 4895) either bullet will do all you need done, oh and the 310 will even kill deer with one shot. Two of them went through a good bull elk's chest at 40 yards and even killed him. I apologize for not shooting him at 649 yards and not using a scope with 13 dials or even a set of shooting sticks or scent proof clothes, just wool and my arms.
You better use Gator gas checks or the red box ones just fall off at about 12 yards and hard left so there is no accuracy.

[The Nyack Kid]

i gave this a lot of though years ago , and i desided that when i got my 1895 in 405 i was going to get NEI #s 225A and 226A .

[6pt-sika]

i gave this a lot of though years ago , and i desided that when i got my 1895 in 405 i was going to get NEI #s 225A and 226A .

When Winchester first came out with a limited run of 1895's in 405 I was chomping at the bit to get one . Had my dealer scouring the dealer network looking !

Nobody had any , no dies , no brass and no loaded Hornady ammo !!!!!

Stuff finally became available about 6 months later and the desire had worn off as well as the money I had set aside to pay for the whole mess !

I would still like a 405 WCF , but I think before I purchase one of them I will go with an original Winchester Model 71 in 348 WCF .[smilie=1:

[Just Duke]

Would this gun handle/feed a Cast 400 grainer?


Here is the 350 Grain RCBS

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/350grain.jpg


82075 - BULLET MOULD .416-350-FN 562

Price $ 82.95

BULLET MOULD .416-350-FN 562



http://shop.rcbs.com/WebConnect/MainServlet?storeId=webconnect&catalogId=webconnect&langId=en_US&action=ProductDisplay&screenlabel=index&productId=3357&route=C12J059



Although you could smoke em out the bore with the 300 and 350 grainers. ;)
Wish there was a mould option that had a pointy-ish tip.









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[451whitworth]

yes the 405WCF will feed a 400 gr. bullet if seated deep enough. the 1895 doesn't have a long throat. 400gr. bullets take up too much powder capacity imho. i use a 345gr. LFN which seems to be a good balance of weight for the case. LBT makes a nose profile for lever guns called the LCFN which has a more pointy shape that might interest you.

[405]

Try the RCBS 350 grain gas check that is made for the 416's. We have shot a bunch sized to .414 with great results, a 310 grain Mountain Molds is the leader in one shot kills on buffalo heifers(56 grains of 4895) either bullet will do all you need done, oh and the 310 will even kill deer with one shot. Two of them went through a good bull elk's chest at 40 yards and even killed him. I apologize for not shooting him at 649 yards and not using a scope with 13 dials or even a set of shooting sticks or scent proof clothes, just wool and my arms.
You better use Gator gas checks or the red box ones just fall off at about 12 yards and hard left so there is no accuracy.

Good, reasoned post backed up with some experience.
And yes, even worked on somewhat larger game. In all probability using factory 300 gr. ammo. :roll:
Also a pic of a factory 405 WCF round ca 1910, the bullet is likely 300 gr. and can best be described as a jacketed soft point long round nose. Both the WRA and UMC offerings I think were very similar with similar ballistics.

[Leverluver]

The NEI 226 is my favorite. In wheel weights, it comes out at 325 grains. It nose length, shape, and style are perfect for functioning in the M95. Mine come out ~.414 and I size in a 413 die polished out to .414. Basically it only applies the gas check (annealed Hornady 416) and lubes. My barrel mics .4131". It comes from the production run right before yours, i.e., case colors but not a take down.

http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog.html click on page 9

[Don McDowell]

I'm pretty partial to the lyman 412263 bullet. Drops from wheelweights at 289 grs. Push it to 1800 without much trouble . Has prooven accurate to 300 yds and beyond, but it does not do well beyond 300 yds if the wind is up.
The throat on my rifle ( serial no indicates it is one of the first rereleases)is fairly long and will take a longer oal than will cycle reliably thru the magazine. 400 gr bullets are a fun thing to launch at steel gongs to 800 yds and beyond,and would make a pretty fair bullet to punch holes clean thru critters .
Never used cast bullets from it on game, but can honestly say that 405 shooter suffered severly when Northfork bullets ceased operations.
300 gr SS recovered from elk weighed in at a full 297 grs.

[StrawHat]

I, too , am partial to the Lyman bullet. I load mine on top of a good dose of 5477 and found it to be accurate to a bit farther than 200 yds.

Don, What powders are you using? Also, what year is your rifle?

Mine is a reworked 30 Govt from 1900.

[Don McDowell]

Strawhat I got mine in 2002 or2003, so I believe it to be one of the refitted 270's.
Powders that get the most use are 5744 for cast, and rx12 for jacketed, and when the rx 12 is all gone I'll go to rx15 , as it does pretty fair. H4895 has served pretty well with both types of bullets, using the 60% rule for the cast bullets.
Leverluver sent me some 325 gc he got from somewhere seveal years ago, and they shoot very well, so if I ever get lazy enough to decide I need to shoot gas checks , instead of making sure to use proper sized and lubed bullets, I'ld probably go with what ever mold that bullet was from

[Just Duke]

For the new guys.

[Just Duke]

More info?

[charger 1]

When Winchester first came out with a limited run of 1895's in 405 I was chomping at the bit to get one . Had my dealer scouring the dealer network looking !

Nobody had any , no dies , no brass and no loaded Hornady ammo !!!!!

Stuff finally became available about 6 months later and the desire had worn off as well as the money I had set aside to pay for the whole mess !

I would still like a 405 WCF , but I think before I purchase one of them I will go with an original Winchester Model 71 in 348 WCF .[smilie=1:

Now your talkin. The real history will go up in value a lot faster

[Don McDowell]

BACO has one of their own mould's for the 405 now. A friend of mine has been shooting that bullet and is reporting holding 2 inch groups to 200 yds with no problems.

[Nrut]

Duke...
Did you ever get one of these rilfes?

Don...
What kind of rifle is your friend shooting to get those 2" groups at 200 yds.?

[Don McDowell]

Nrut its a high grade model 95 , he set it up with a marbles tang sight, and I believe he shooting 5744 for powder.

[Beau Cassidy]

I got one of the blued take-down's a few years ago. Got the RCBS and, I believe, the NEI mold. Have cast a bunch of bullets but have never loaded any or shot it. Too many irons in the fire.

[Just Duke]

Duke...
Did you ever get one of these rilfes?

Don...
What kind of rifle is your friend shooting to get those 2" groups at 200 yds.?

Most have dissuaded me from this purchase.
But I have succumb to me adoration of this rifle platform.
I got one lined up. ;)
I am week.........................:violin:

[Nrut]

Most have dissuaded me from this purchase.
But I have succumb to me adoration of this rifle platform.
I got one lined up. ;)
I am weak!.........................:violin:

Yeah and tell me what's new eh?...:p

I have had one NIB just like the one you pictured above (no case harding) and managed not to shoot it for several years now as I want to sell it NIB one day...I did weaken however to a Ruger #1 in .405 that shows great promise with 420gr. PP boolits...

Don
How did you fellows come by your .405 5744 loading data?... I can't find any in my Accurate Powders Manual or their website..
Thanks,
Mic

[Just Duke]

:redneck:

[MT Gianni]

So is it going to Africa like TR's did?

[Just Duke]

So is it going to Africa like TR's did?

No sir. Just bolt guns.

[Don McDowell]

Don
How did you fellows come by your .405 5744 loading data?... I can't find any in my Accurate Powders Manual or their website..
Thanks,
Mic

The first data I got about 10 years ago, I wrote to Accurate and asked them if they had any.
I also got some from loaddata.com and the last I saw was in the Lyman 49th reloading handbook.