Mauser Scout Scope Mounts

[LAGS]

What is availabe on the market for installing a Scout Scope on some of my Mausers.
I have several rifles that I want to keep un- modified, but would like to use a scope on them occasionally.
I have a couple of cheap mounts for my Mosin Nagant M44 and M53, but am in the process of making ones for the Finn rebuilt M1891 and a Finn M27 since I can not find any out on the market.
Also who has the mounts for the Mausers, and besides the S&K, which do you think is the best and most affordable.
Like I said, I was going to be perchasing several for some 98k,s Yugo 24/47,s VZ 24,s ans maybe even a Turk 38.
I would just make the mounts myself, but lack the time to be making seceral more at this time.

[leebuilder]

Morning Lags, not much better out there than S&K other than making it your self. I make mine from scratch now, before i would use weaver scope mount stock. I like mine forward enough that i can still use stripper clips.
any question please ask.
be well

[RobsTV]

Bought one of the cheap ones and didn't even need to test fire it. Junk that would not hold zero when you tapped it. Ended up spending the $40 for the S&K version at Brownells, (using C&R discount which is easy to get and only costs $30, good for 3 years, with many places giving discounts, but since you have a C&R rifle, you probably knew this already, and already get the discount). The S&K is solid, holds zero, and works perfectly.

794-000-009WB
98K Mauser Scout Mount (Weaver) 79400000998K Mauser Scout Mount (Weaver)
Mfr Part: 2680
$39.57 $64.99

[JeffG]

Take a look at BrassStacker.com.

[LAGS]

Thanks for the info guys.
@ RodsTV . Sorry, I do not have a C&R. These rifles are just ones I picked up over the years.
I know the S&K is the best on the market, but it has been years since I messed with putting scopes on any of my rifles and thought there might be something New that I was unaware of.
I may just have to pick up another S&K and let the other rifles sit for a while till I get time to build ones for them like the Mosins.
I actually prefer to build my own, and have something unique or different than everyone else at the range.
It is just with My REAL Job and so many other projects going, I just never find the time to get things done.

[leadhead]

I've got a couple Brenshok mounts and there rock solid and hold zero.
Check out Service@Brenshok.com
Denny

[LAGS]

The cheap mount I put on the Mosins has already stripped out the screws that hold the base to the rear sight base.
(3mm pivot screws )
So you cant drill them out and tap them bigger without drilling the Pivot holes in your rifled sight base.
I dont want to modify the rifle and sight.
SO, I drilled out the Scope base all the way thru where the 3mm mounting screws were.
I drilled and tapped it for a 10/32 screw, and crazy glued in a 10/32 Brass screw in the scope base, running all the way thru the base.
I cut the screw flush with both sides of the scope base, and then drilled into the end of the 10/32 screw and tapped it for the original 3mm screws that came with the scope base.
Kind of a Billy Bob way of making a HeliCoil insert for a thread that is very small.
It now can tighten and not strip out like the soft aluminum did.
I should have taken pictures and had someone post it in the Gunsmith section.
I hear lots of similar complaints with screws stripping out on scope bases, and people thinking the Base is now Junk.
Granted, not everone has the tools or skills, but with a sollution, they can find someone else to do it for them

[LAGS]

I took a look at the Brass Stacker mounts.
They are interesting, and look like they are very functional.
But they are not exactly what I was looking for.
I am looking for something a little more streamlined, that maybe replaces the rear sight leaf.
I dont like the Brass Stackers Saddle that wraps over the stock, even though it looks like it will be one of the most stable platforms for accuracy.

[LAGS]

I took a look at the Brenshok mounts.
That is a little more of what I am looking for.
One of the concersn I also had with the Brass Stacker mounts was.
The front of the mount is attached to the rear sight base.
The other end is attached to the Cross Bolt in the stock.
If the action screws are not tight, or the action can move in the stock at all, I would think it could effect the Zero.
I could be wrong, and usually am.
But the rifles I am installing these on are original, and wont be Glass Bedded.
The action are not the best fitting or do they always stay tight especially if the wood swells or shrinks.

[LAGS]

I ordered the S&K mount for some of my Yugo Mausers.
While waiting for it to come in the mail or the BBT, I built a mount for the Finnish 1891.
It doesnt look too bad, and I sent some pictures to Armoredman.
Perhaps he can post them for me since I cant seem to be able to onto the site.
I am sure he will take some more pic's when I get out to the range with him this Saturday.
Now, Time to start on the scout mount for the Finnish M-27

[Hardcast416taylor]

About 20 years ago Rifle magazine had an article on how to use the rear sight of a Mauser to make a scout mount. Between me and a machinest buddy I made the scout mount on a Kar 98 that still works fine to this day.Robert

[LAGS]

Just a little update.
I got to the range today with 4 rifles that I put the scout scope mounts on.
A K98 in 8mm, AIM scope and mount from Sportsmans Guide
A Chinese M-53, ATI scout mount
A Finnish Rebuild 1891 Hex receiver. Home built mount
And a Yugo 24/47 that I made into the short Calvary Carbine. S&K mount
The best shooting was the 1891 with the scope mount I made by hand.
I say by hand because I do not have a Mill, Just a drill press, and a Hacksaw , some files and a old rail of my Marlin 30/30
It shot a 198 gr NOE boolit with 29.0 of IMR4227 and stayed way under 3" at 100.
Not bad for a really windy day

But most of the three shot groups two boolits were near each other and one flyer to bring the group out a bit to 1.5" or 3"
I think Armoredman did get a picture of the first two groups that I shot at 50 to check that it was on paper.

The rifles were using Cheap 2x7 pistol scopes, and the Yugo had a red dot on it.

Now I am going to recheck the scopes with a bore sighter, Reset the scope back to Zero/ Zero like where they started today, and then adjust the mount to be bore sighted to the ON at 100 yard pattern with the bore sighter.

All of the scopes started out with Zero Zero adjustment set on V Blocks.
All scopes were all on as far as right to left with the first shots at 50.
Moving the elevation with the mount is not a problem, and when done, the scope will be bore sighted at 100 yards, with the scope set at Zero on the crosshairs. ( Then I will have Full adjustment in all directions from the scope dials. )
Yes, I have way too much time on my hands.
But that is the way I set up my target rifles, so why not do all my rifles the same way ?

[leebuilder]

Sounds like a good day Lags. Stick to what you know and make it happen. I started with a vise and a few files.
Those Finn M 91s shoot out standing with the right ammo.
Be well

[LAGS]

@Leebuilder.
I too started with a Vice and a file, then got a cordless drill.
But that was back in 1976.
I sold my machinery when I moved to Arizona from California 20 years ago.
Just dont do enough work , or have the time to invest in more machines.
I get buy with doing it the old way, and sometimes better than I did with the Lathe and Mill.

[leebuilder]

I feel the same, i can make a front sight faster with a hack saw and files than i can with my mill. The old ways are the best, a bit of elbow grease and imagination and motivation you can do most anything.

[armoredman]

Pictures...not the greatest, lighting never seemed to be right today. He was doing pretty good out there today.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/LAGS/Mosin%20with%20home%20made%20scope%20mount%202_zps iltuu5dj.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/LAGS/Mosin%20with%20home%20made%20scope%20mount%202_zps iltuu5dj.jpg.html)

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I like the scout style mount. The K98 Cavalry Carbine looked very cool.

[LAGS]

With this scope mount, I was actually trying to make a 65 Buick when I started. LOL

The K98 target was with one group on 2 power the other on 7 power
The 1891 was shot both groups on 2 power at 50 yards.
Load 198 gr NOE with 29.0 of IMR 4227 Powdercoated PB sized .311
The Mauser was a NOE 216 with 32.0 H4895 powdercoated GC sized .325

[LAGS]

I pulled the mount of the Mosin Nagant and sprayed the metal with Dura Bake so it wasnt bare metal.
Then I reset the mount, then reset the scope to Zero/ Zero again.
I had used a Bore sighter to get a picture of where the scope was set when it was hitting at 100 Yards.
The laser was below the horizontal line and just barely to the right of the verticle line.
Then I re installed the scope set to Zero/ Zero and adjusted the "mount" to get the crosshairs back to the same picture with the bore sighter as it was for 100 Yards.
Now it should be Bore sighted or dang near center of target at 100 yards with the scope set at zero and not having to make any adjustments.
I do the same thing on most of my rifles, and it makes swapping scopes from rifle to rifle easier.
The scopes are set to Zero / Zero on V Blocks for True center to the scope Tube, and not center of clicks on the scope adjusters.
If I get time, I will get to the range and Pop off a few rounds and see how close to bullseye it truely is.
If I had a 50 yard clear spot to set up the boresighter and Patern it on a target with a 1" square grid pattern, I could be a lot closer to bullseye on my first shots.

[leebuilder]

Nice. The proper way to use a bore sighter/collminator. I usually bore sight on the tree tops in my yard through the bore. Works well, on paper and less ammo to get a zero. Gonna get out tomorrow and test and sight in a 45ACP lee enfield conversion i built for a friend.
be well

[LAGS]

I had to work today, but will try to get to the range tomorrow to test fire the reset scope.
I will have to forward any pictures of the target to Armoredman to post in a day or two for me.
And back to the original thread subject.
The S&K mount on the Yugo Mauser is perfect.
I will be dinking with that mount and scope in the next few weeks also.

[leebuilder]

142082
here is a pic of the scout mount i modified for the 45acp conversion i built for a buddy. It was a weaver mount of some type it was long and beefy for building other mounts. Because he wanted the reddot sight i made it short and robust. It requiered a bit of machining.
Be well

[LAGS]

I got to the range this morning.
The 1891 with the homemade scout mount, with the scope set to Balls or 0/0 was a little off.
It shot 6" low and 3.5" to the right.
Thats is what happens when you are trying to guess how close the laser dot is to the scope crosshairs when looking at the garage door across the street to adjust the mount.
But the lady Freeks out when I tape a target to her garage door for more precise adjustments.
She aint to thrilled when she comes out and sees a red light dancing around on her garage door either.
I would have corrected the mount adjustment at the range, but forgot my allen wrenches on my bench.
And no one had any metrics.
Forign rifle accessories get Metric screws on my builds.
I forwarded the target pictures to Armoredman and asked him to post them for me as well as some loads I tested in my Fin M-27 custom

[armoredman]

Here are the pictures LAGS sent me for you guys to see.
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[LAGS]

Here is the Load Data
Yellow
NOE 198 SP PB sized .311 and PC'ed DTx2 with Smokes Traffic Yellow
Powder was IMR 4227 , 29.2 gr
Red
NOE 316299 202 gr RN sized .311 GC and DTx2 with Smokes Flame Red
Powder was Reloader 7 , 28.0 gr
Blue
NOE 198 gr SP PB sized .311 PC'ed DTx2 with Smokes Signal Blue
Powder was 29.0 Reloader 7

All shots were off a rest since I forgot my BiPod for the M-27
Scopes were a Simmons 6.5 x20 on the M-27 set on 20x and a 2x7 AIM pistol scope on the 1891 at 7x