Crazy #358156HP Mold price!

[RadioactiveMarine]

I have been waiting years for a decent Lyman #358156 Hollow point Mold on Ebay. Finally found one and bid like a crazy man and still did not get it. :violin: Final price today sold for $182.50!:shock: I figure I can have a custom mold made or buy the complete Forster Hollow Pointer set for both pistol AND rifle for that.
Charles

[softpoint]

I'm going to start buying custom molds when I want an obsolete number. I wanted a 358009 some time ago, two sold on evil bay about two weeks apart. First one was a double cavity, It went for about 135.00 if I remember right.
Second one was a SINGLE cavity and it went for about 140.00:shock:Again, if my memory is correct. I still don't have one. Why pay more for a Lyman mold than what you can get a custom mold for?

[Bret4207]

Glad I bought my 358156HP for the $27.00 price, new in the box, several years back.

[FISH4BUGS]

Glad I bought my 358156HP for the $27.00 price, new in the box, several years back.

Is there anything (within reason - even borderline unreasonable) you might be interested in trading for that mould?....I HAD to ask...........

[rockrat]

Guess at those prices I should put my 429244HP for sale on evilbay!

[Bret4207]

Ummmm, 358009, 257325, 321297,323378,338089,356404,356632,358101GB, all double cav preferred , 4 cav 429422 or 454424. Thats the list I would CONSIDER trades for. Not being difficult, just practical.

Impractically, a Progressive of some sort or 20 lb RCBS pot.

[HeavyMetal]

RaidoactiveMarine:
First welcome aboard! Second I hear a guy named Buckshot will hollow point molds. I have no idea how much or how long but he does do it!

I suggest you send him a private message, you can do this by clicking on his name, and asking his price. The 358156's are still available at a lot cheaper price than you' ll ever pay at evil bay! You can find him in the sticky's on most forum start up area's.

I plan to do the same and am hording a single cav 358156 for just that reason!

[RadioactiveMarine]

I sent Buckshot an Email without luck so far. I will try a PM. I thought of buying a new double 358156 mould and having 1 of the cavities hollowpointed. Then I can cast both and the bigger mould will stay hotter for proper filling out of the HP which is a problem on some smaller blocks. I love this bullet but never tried the HP version. if you have try ONE 357 bullet, this is it. With two crimp grooves it is great for 38 and 357 and accurate. Skeeter Skelton's favorite in this caliber.

[Wayne Smith]

Radioactive, I can testify to Buckshot's magic with a mold. He's hollowpointed for me as well. He does excellent work.

[9.3X62AL]

Another "welcome aboard", R-Marine!

Buckshot is kinda nocturnal--he worked graveyards so long, he's seldom down from his rafter perch much before 10 P.M.

Some of those E-Bay bidders have a lot more money than good sense, it seems.

[1Shirt]

Welcome aboard! Another Jarhead is always welcome! Semper Fi!
1Shirt! :coffee:

[GLL]

RM:

You can have a custom mould made to fit your needs. Here is a custom GC-HP version mould based on 45 2.1's design that I had made . It is very similar to his recent 358156 Group Buy design.

http://www.fototime.com/006C129A9EBBBB0/standard.jpg

Here is another mould that Buckshot modified for me. Having him HP a Lyman/IDEAL single cavity 358156 might be your best choice !

http://www.fototime.com/FC1FBCABD1CE997/orig.gif

Jerry

[Bret4207]

Practically speaking your best bet is to get a single cav off Ebay or somewhere and have it HP'd.

[RadioactiveMarine]

RM:

You can have a custom mould made to fit your needs. Here is a custom GC-HP version mould based on 45 2.1's design that I had made . It is very similar to his recent 358156 Group Buy design.

http://www.fototime.com/006C129A9EBBBB0/standard.jpg

Here is another mould that Buckshot modified for me. Having him HP a Lyman/IDEAL single cavity 358156 might be your best choice !

http://www.fototime.com/FC1FBCABD1CE997/orig.gif

Jerry

GLL- Where did you have that 358156 copy made - gorjeeous! :-D I saw the group buy but it was plain base and I like diapers on mine. What caliber was the plain base bullet shown - I can't tell?
I got a reply from Buckshot and it's a great price. I have some work for him. I will contact him again to see his preference for a single cavity or double. I considered the double because there is more "bang" for the buck since single is so slow.

[Bret4207]

Doesn't matter how many cavities there are, a HP is a one at a time proposition. Even with 2 cav you won't get high production. Have you considered a hollow pointing jig for a Forster trimmer? I think it's faster by about 3X than a HP mould. Just my opinion.

BTW-Welcome and Semper Fi, USMC 79-82

[GLL]

I love making HP bullets ! I also agree with Bret that it is not a mass production operation. Using a single cavity mould and having Buckshot modify it is the way to go ! I prefer a bored out RCBS ladle for Hollow Point moulds but that is a personal thing ! If I get 70-80 bullets per hour I am happy!

Buckshot's pin design and his retention setup are outstanding and far superior to Lyman orginals.

The mould in the photo that Buckshot set up HP is an old 429421 .44. Great craftsmanship !

Here is a Lyman 358627 he HPed for me recently !

http://www.fototime.com/764FE0DF38E319D/standard.jpg

Jerry

[RadioactiveMarine]

I have considered the Forster HP jigs and may still get one. However there something about having the mould without the extra equipment. I know it's not a speedy proposition, I just thought I might as well cast some solids at the same time I cast the HP. I also thought that the mass of a double mold would prevent rooling of the mould too soon and make a more stable casting temperature for the mold. I have many molds, and have always had better luck with double cavities than with single. I know I can only HP one of the cavities.

Thanks for the 429421 picture, I have one of those too in a single block and will get it done.

Semper FI USMC 72-80

[FISH4BUGS]

Ummmm, 358009, 257325, 321297,323378,338089,356404,356632,358101GB, all double cav preferred , 4 cav 429422 or 454424. Thats the list I would CONSIDER trades for. Not being difficult, just practical.

Impractically, a Progressive of some sort or 20 lb RCBS pot.

Hey.....it was worth asking.
I don't have any of those moulds and I use a Dillon 550b and a Lyman 20 lb pot. For moulds, I am a Hensley & Gibbs kinda guy with just a few non H&G moulds. 4 cavity 358156 being one of them. TexasFlyBoy spoiled me rotten with his praise of H&G so I went out an over the years have bought a bunch.
Everything is for sale at some price. Too bad I can't oblige. Thanks anyway.

[Bret4207]

Well hey, if you wanna trade a nice H+G we can talk!

[Bret4207]

'Nuther 358156HP on Ebay this AM. And the bloodletting begins!

[Freightman]

Remember the old saying, "A fool and his money are soon parted" that is what capitalism is about let the market seek its level no government interference.

[RadioactiveMarine]

I won't bid this time. I contacted Buckshot and he gave me a price. I can buy TWO new double moulds from Lyman and have one cavity in each hollowpointed for less than the one in the 1st post sold for.

[TexRebel]

Humm, which to have HP'ed a 429336 or the 429215 :???:

[sniper]

O.K., newbie here, and I saw the mould on da'Bay. It has two hollow point cavities, and the guy doesn't have the pins. Anyhoo, WHY can't the two cavities of a normal mould be HP'd?

If a person decides to go the Forster hollow poointer way, what weight of bullet mould should he start with? How much does the hollow pointng reduce weight ?

Would either the Lee 158gr RF design or the Lyman 358665 158g. RF design, be a good basis for hollow pointing, either with mould modification, or using a separate hollow pointer? How about the Lyman 358429?

Now, with all the wind expended regarding the lesser quality of current Lyman Moulds, is it even a good idea to buy one? Of course, the same is being said about Lee moulds, and lots of guys seem to find them very satisfactory. :confused:

[GLL]

sniper:

You could HP both cavities of a 2-cavity mould but you could not cast both at the same time. The pin handles would interfere with each other.

Jerry

[MT Gianni]

It would involve designing dual pins that had a common swivel and a handle not attachet to the swivel. It would have to be small enough that it would not act as a heat sink complicating things more than the design, IMHO. Gianni

[sniper]

Thanks for the info. It looks like I was mistaken: the mould is not a 2 holer, it's the halves of a one hole mould, displayed side by side. My bad! :oops:

I think I have about decided to go with the Lyman 358429, providing I can find a good one, and skip the hollowpointing for the time being.

Are the older Lyman/Ideal moulds the ones to get, or dare I try a new one?

[onceabull]

Those interested in double cav. Hollow point moulds might look into Carl Cramer's approach to same, Mine is the H.P. version of his #26,a .358,158 gr.nominal SWC... Onceabull

[GLL]

onceabull:

I know you posted a photo of that mould in the past but could you show it again please?

Jerry

[onceabull]

Jerry: Not me on the prev.picture as I don't do photography..I'M thinking maybe Glen F. as I seem to remember his saying something somewhere on the design...Buckshot has seen it,as He was in Winnemucca when I leased my 2c Cramer 257 Mould to 9.3x62AL -that one has the H.P."device" on only 1 C.but otherwise it's the same approach. The H.P.Pins are not separable from the mould(Without serious effort).. hope this helps...Onceabull

[StrawHat]

onceabull:

I know you posted a photo of that mould in the past but could you show it again please?

Jerry

Jerry,

I don't have a hollow point mold but I do have a DC hollow base mold from NEI.

When I get home I will gets some pics and post them.

Never mind, found the thread, go here

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=20082

Post #13

[onceabull]

The thread StrawHat linked to is the one where Glen posted the GOOD PICTURE of a 2c Cramer H.P.Mould.... Onceabull

[GLL]

Thanks guys !

The photo Glen posted is indeed the one I had remembered !

Jerry