Anyone use NEI 500+ grain 45-70 bullet?

[Just Duke]

Can you tell me what model number and if it functioned in a Marlin Lever action?

[The Nyack Kid]

I've got NEI mold # 346 which cast about 480 grs with my alloy , it works fine in marlin rifles , what NEI mold are you asking about ? # 353 ? i have a Mountain Mold that has a similar shape as # 353 but it has a nose too long to work though the action of a marlin if seated to crimp in the crimp groove.

[Just Duke]

Great! the 480 grain would be darn close and from what you say it will function in my 45-70 Marlins. I will give them a call tomorrow. Do you have a pic of that bullet?

[Dye]

Duke
I have a NEI 458 520 mould if you want a few to try.

BE CAREFULL Dye

[montana_charlie]

Without a catalog number, I don't know which bullet Dye is suggesting, but here is the picture of the only (.458) 520 grain bullet in the NEI catalog.
http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/458-520-PB.jpg

The bullets mentioned by the Nyack Kid:
NEI #353
http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/460-505-GC.jpg

NEI #346
http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/458-440-GC.jpg

And, finally, a bullet in the NEI catalog which looks like a good choice for a lever gun...475 grains, it says.
I don't know if the nose is too long for you, or not.
NEI #346E
http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/458-475.jpg

CM

[The Nyack Kid]

thanks for the links Charlie.
when i weighed a boolit for the first time i got a surprise i tought that they would wheigh closer to the listed weight but mine weighed ,bare naked ,473 grs adding lube and gascheck put them over 480 grs.
#346 is a great hunting boolit design , cast of WW alloy and driven 1600 fps i wouldn't hesitate ( i did acutely) to go after anything in North America .

Duke if you want, i've got a lot of them cast up gas checked lubed and sized .459, if you what to try that boolit out .

[Just Duke]

thanks for the links Charlie.
when i weighed a boolit for the first time i got a surprise i tought that they would wheigh closer to the listed weight but mine weighed ,bare naked ,473 grs adding lube and gascheck put them over 480 grs.
#346 is a great hunting boolit design , cast of WW alloy and driven 1600 fps i wouldn't hesitate ( i did acutely) to go after anything in North America .

Duke if you want, i've got a lot of them cast up gas checked lubed and sized .459, if you what to try that boolit out .

that would be great Nyack Kid! :-D

[Just Duke]

I just talked to Joel Fragoso at NEI a few minutes ago. He is a great guy and took loads of time with me on the phone and is very patient and wanted to make sure I got what I was looking for. :-D
I just ordered the #346 (458-440 GC) mould in their 5 cavity. :-D

http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/458-440-GC.jpg


www.neihandtools.com

THANKS GUYS FOR HELPING ME OUT! :-D:-D:-D





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[Just Duke]

The bullets came today Nyack Kid! Thanks a bunch sir!!!

[Just Duke]

Duke
I have a NEI 458 520 mould if you want a few to try.

BE CAREFULL Dye

Thanks Dye! Would your mould be available for purchase sir?

[The Nyack Kid]

The bullets came today Nyack Kid! Thanks a bunch sir!!!

Already ?I just mailed em monday evening .i thought that they were still carrying the mail back and forth ,between Washington and Nevada , on horseback .
You are welcome , I hope that those boolits work out good for you .

[Just Duke]

Yes I will be able to work up a load before the mould arrives Nyack.:drinks:

[Dye]

Duke
Not for sale,I am going to take them with me when I check out. I will cast you a few for you
with what ever alloy you want.

Be carefull Dye

[Just Duke]

Already ?I just mailed em monday evening .i thought that they were still carrying the mail back and forth ,between Washington and Nevada , on horseback .
You are welcome , I hope that those boolits work out good for you .

Can you steer me towards a moderate load for these bullets? Say 1200 to 1250 or just under 1300 for us old guys Nyack? I threw one on the scaled and it weighed in a 475 grains. Good weight for me. :-D

Should I water quench strait WW's or can I air cool them to get the 1200 to 1300 fps velocities?
TIA
Duke

[Just Duke]

Duke
Not for sale,I am going to take them with me when I check out. I will cast you a few for you
with what ever alloy you want.

Be carefull Dye

Cool beans. :-D WW's works for me. ;)

[The Nyack Kid]

I use air cooled WWs for almost every boolit that i cast for the 45-70 , i have one batch of that boolit that i heat-treated and i dout that i will ever use the whole batch for it intended purpose ( killing big bears) air cooled ww will work just fine for any load with the 45-70 .

two great powders for those velocitys are AA 5744 and IMR sr4759 . Reloader 7 and both brands of 4198 also will work good . I dont know much about IMRs Trailboss but i heard that may work good too for lower velocitys .

[Just Duke]

I use air cooled WWs for almost every boolit that i cast for the 45-70 , i have one batch of that boolit that i heat-treated and i dout that i will ever use the whole batch for it intended purpose ( killing big bears) air cooled ww will work just fine for any load with the 45-70 .

two great powders for those velocitys are AA 5744 and IMR sr4759 . Reloader 7 and both brands of 4198 also will work good . I dont know much about IMRs Trailboss but i heard that may work good too for lower velocitys .


Can you give me a good load for the bullets you sent with 4198 and Reloader #7 Nyack? :-D
I have seach through tons of data with no luck with the 480 grain CB. :(
TIA
Duke

[The Nyack Kid]

for the 4198s use 28 to 32 grs also the same for reloader 7 . i use 30 grs of IMR 4198 and i believe ( i dont have my notes with me ) that did 1280 fps

[Just Duke]

for the 4198s use 28 to 32 grs also the same for reloader 7 . i use 30 grs of IMR 4198 and i believe ( i dont have my notes with me ) that did 1280 fps

Thanks for the Load Nyack. :-D
Just for my safety and anyone else that might read this. Is this OK in a Marlin Lever action Nyack? :-D
Is the 1280 fps cosidered a midrange load as fas as pressures go?
Which one gave you better accuracy if I may ask?

[The Nyack Kid]

those loads are safe in a marlin 1895
the hodgen data came out of thier trapdoor level loads . the IMR and Reloader 7 data came from speers trapdoor data for a 500gr cast boolit .
I just settled on 30 grs because it was a nice round number and accuracy was good enough that i stopped there . when i say accurate was good enough what i mean is 2" moa . the bead on my front sight on my 1886 EL covers a 2 inch dot at 100 yards or a one inch dot at 50 yards i'm happy if the load stays in the dot (or under the bead as it where ) since this is a hunting gun . . i can hear everybody groaning "why dont he six o clock that ?" cause ive got a receiver sight on and its all about target acusition speed .

[Just Duke]

Thanks again for the info Nyack.:drinks:

[Just Duke]

The moulds from NEI came yesterday. :drinks:

[The Nyack Kid]

perdy little thang aint she ?

[Lloyd Smale]

ballistic cast sells a 540 wfngc that works real well in the marlins. It has given me the best luck for accuracy of all the hammerhead type bullet designs

[Just Duke]

perdy little thang aint she ?

Yep she sure is and I have you to thank Nyack. :-D


http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/50%20CALIBERFORUM/NEI45-70MOULD.jpg

[The Nyack Kid]

Yep she sure is and I have you to thank Nyack. :-D


http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/50%20CALIBERFORUM/NEI45-70MOULD.jpg

yep you have me to blame and Wow baby thats sweet!

[PMK]

Hey guys what seat die do you use? I have an old Herters, and it dosn't give me a good crimp, the boolits turn real easy, if I replace it I want the best out there.
thanks.

[Just Duke]

I was advised to use the RCBS Cowboy dies.

[The Nyack Kid]

I use an old RCBS three die set for my 45-70.

[Just Duke]

I use an old RCBS three die set for my 45-70.

Crap! The bullets load great in one 1895 but not the other. Seems to be some sort of hang up going in.

[The Nyack Kid]

uh-oh . mmmm sounds like a "marlin jam" is the meplat hanging up on the forcing cone ? or is a burr hidding somewhere ?

[Just Duke]

I had a bad burr on the inside edge of the loading gate chute hole.
Had! ;)
Thanks for the quick reply though. :-D

[Just Duke]

Nyack. I shot some of your bullets last week and they shot ragged holes at 50 yards. I used 22 grains of 2400 in 2 of my 3 Winchester 1886 rifles. <bragger>
Not sure what the velocity would ball park at but would love to know. (hint)
Thanks again for the generous offering sending me the bullets. I can safely say this would definatelly be my Elk, Bear and Buffalo load.
The recoil was really up there from shooting my Marlins with there cushy recoil pads.
I single round loaded the Winchesters so I am sure a full magazine tube of these behmouths would ease recoil substantially.


for the 4198s use 28 to 32 grs also the same for reloader 7 . i use 30 grs of IMR 4198 and i believe ( i dont have my notes with me ) that did 1280 fps

I am after talking to the guys the make the 2400, was advised to switch to Reloader #7 and or Hogden 4198 for better case filling capacity which would also mean more consistant igniton/velocities.

I am going to load up the 480 grainers with 32 grains of Reloader #7 and give that a shot. I am hoping the pressures are within the moderate parameters and meet or beat my 1300 fps goal.


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[The Nyack Kid]

hey , again your welcome
worked out well ? sucess is a great feeling , and when it comes easy that is even better.
with that load and the presure data i'm looking at(Lymans) , you sould be less than 15000 psi ( the boolit is a differant shape , and it is 20 grns heavier) trapdoor level easy .
yes that boolit even moving at 1300 is a game getter , i did my research before i bought mine , and that boolit design has the widest Meplat that i could find ( good!) shy of a custom job. and was right what i wanted weight wise too .

[Just Duke]

Hey Nyack! How ya been? :)

[pls1911]

Good afternoon gents,
I need some info and/or commentary from you.

I've just finished a sometimes semi-annual loading session with 340 and 405 PB's, RCBS 300's and 405 GC's, Ranch Dog 340grs, and NEI #346's (448gr. in my mix).

I've found that all these slugs shoot about the same POA and "minute of pig" (+/-3" to about 130 yards if velocities are equal. I shoot less than 1600 fps, normally between 1400-1500 fps, and normally less than 50 yards in Texas mesquite brush.

I've just loaded a half dozen at NEI #346's over 40 Gr RL-7... Interpolating from the Lyman 3rd addition cast bullet book for 451 Gr data for 3031, (on the safe side) I should get about 1450 FPS at about 22k pressure, well with limits to my Marlins, Sharps, and Rolling Block. I'll post the Chrono data as soon as I can.
The Marlins and Ruger #1 gets your attemtion, but the 14 pound plains guns absorb most of the recoil.

I'd be VERY interested to learn the measured velocity from your 32 grain load for the NEI #346's.

When you answer this, please also post to PLS1911@yahoo.com. ,
as I'm likely to see it more quickly.

I've not shot the NEI #346's to date, but can vouch for all the others.
A straight-on shot in the nose will flip a 150 pound pig onto it's back, or perferate two at a time through the shoulders.

Cheers,

Pablo

[The Nyack Kid]

Howdy fellers how yah been ?

Ive been on a 1911 kick lately , so most of my time has been spent working with the 45 auto . But seeng how hunting season is fast approaching and I have no
45-70 cases loaded , I'm sitting down to do just that this afternoon .

I will be using my tried and true load of 45grs of IMR 3031 under the NEI #346.
this load is a fairly heavy load ,doing (if I remember correctly) 1650 fps out of the japchester extra-lite.

This load is a Marlin pressure load 28000+ psi ,DO NOT USE IN TRAPDOORS!! or the like .

[Just Duke]

Howdy fellers how yah been ?

Ive been on a 1911 kick lately , so most of my time has been spent working with the 45 auto . But seeng how hunting season is fast approaching and I have no
45-70 cases loaded , I'm sitting down to do just that this afternoon .

I will be using my tried and true load of 45grs of IMR 3031 under the NEI #346.
this load is a fairly heavy load ,doing (if I remember correctly) 1650 fps out of the japchester extra-lite.

This load is a Marlin pressure load 28000+ psi ,DO NOT USE IN TRAPDOORS!! or the like .

Do you recall what you sized the ones you sent me to? I'm thinking .458?

[The Nyack Kid]

nope not .458 , the only sizing die that I have for the 45-70, is .459

[Just Duke]

nope not .458 , the only sizing die that I have for the 45-70, is .459

OK I will order another. It was great talking to you today Nyack. Hope we can meet in person.