How Do You Like Your 10mm Auto ?

[Bonz]

I would love to buy a 10mm auto for target shooting. When I think of a 10mm auto, the Colt Delta Elite comes to mind. I shoot handguns all the way up the S&W 500 magnum. I honestly dread the thought of having to chase down the 10mm brass at the shooting range, already doing that with .380

Is the fun of shooting the 10mm auto worth the extra hassle ? What is your favorite 10mm auto and why ?

[Bigslug]

I went through the 10mm phase, and while I still dabble, I'm pretty much over it.

I bought one of the earliest Glock 20's to hit the market, buying into all the hype that was floating over the the gun and the cartridge back in the late '80's/early '90's - .41 Magnum-like power, flat trajectory, penetration potential, and, in the case of the Glock, 15 rounds onboard.

I've since developed a hardball-spec LFN load for the .45 ACP that will penetrate 8-9 gallon jugs of water at a much lower operating pressure than the 10mm, have always been comfortable with 7+1 for capacity (thinner grip too), and pretty much use a bolt action .30-06 in situations where trajectory issues concern me.

Basically, I no longer see the 10mm as being able to do much that the 80-year older cartridge wasn't capable of doing already - though we needed the FBI's post 1986 Miami Shootout research to nudge our brains in the proper direction. The Ten was developed as a "solution" at a time where we were enamored with fast-expanding HP's to the detriment of adequate penetration. Since we've largely corrected our thinking on the matter, the 10mm is little more than an expensive-to-feed .45 with slightly longer legs, and a slower time to recover from recoil.

I guess if you're a cop in Alaska or the mountain states where crime AND grizzly bears are a real possibility, there's a good argument for it, but I'd rather fight humans with a .45 and bears with a .44/.45C.

[Walla2]

S&W 1006 for over twenty years. I use a 200 gr TC cast of wheelweights. The gun runs like a charm. never a problem. Very accurate. Powders vary based on availability.

[jonp]

Get a Tanfaglio Witness and buy the slides and barrels if you want to try the 10mm. Much cheaper way to go and it is a great gun. I've had a couple of them and the CZ75 platform is really good

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

I love the 10mm cartridge. I have a Tanfoglio witness, G20, and my main carry gun in my G29. When Sig comes out with their 10mm I will have to give it a test ride.

[dddoo7]

I've since developed a hardball-spec LFN load for the .45 ACP that will penetrate 8-9 gallon jugs of water

I would like to see this in person.

A 50 BMG shooting factory hornady 750gr Amax's out of a Barrett 99 will stop in the 6th one gallon jug at 50 yards. First hand experience

....however I guess the amax probably expands much more than the hard cast lead which would limit penetration.

[GLL]

Bonz:

I found a way to enjoy 10mm Auto and not have to chase brass ! ;)

610's
http://www.fototime.com/630EA2CDED75692/medium800.jpg

Jerry

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Dang you Jerry! I just drooled on my computer!

[dddoo7]

Bonz:

http://www.fototime.com/630EA2CDED75692/medium800.jpg

610's?

[timspawn]

I went the revolver route also. S&W 610. Mainly because I can shoot 40's and 10's and don't have to chase brass. It's the big brother to my 686. And my 610's big brother is my 625. I like auto round in a revolver for some reason. Call me crazy.

[Oreo]

The brand spanking new Glock 10mm long slide would be the choice way to go imo.

The solution to chasing brass is to build your 10mm loads using cheap 40sw brass. There's a particular method to doing this correctly. You start with boolit long enough to seat in a 40sw case at 10mm COAL. 200gr is usually long enough to grip the case well enough to prevent set back. Use regular 10mm powder charges. Now, you need a barrel that will chamber these rounds. You get a 10mm-40sw conversion barrel and have the throat reamed out long enough for the rounds you're building.

Probably sounds complicated but it's not.

[bigarm]

I have only Delta Elites, but really like them. They are fun to shoot with that extra boost they provide. However, I also like a lot of other cartridges. Since I shoot a lot of semi autos, chasing brass is kind of normal to me. I do use a grabber so I don't have to bend over so much, though.

[Bullwolf]

I went with a Smith 610 revolver, and full moon clips.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=53320&d=1332375253

After adding a De-mooner that was much more effective than using my fingers or Leather man tool - All of the pieces sort of fell into place.

I don't have to chase my brass, and I can play with both 40 S&W and 10mm while not worrying about case support. I also happen to really like double action wheel guns.


- Bullwolf

[tigweldit]

Got to agree with Walla2. Bought my 1006 new a long time ago. It has never missed a beat in over 2500 of every kind of load I could come up with. Very accurate and a pleasure to shoot,even with the "hot" loads. I have great confidence in this gun.

[khmer6]

Love them. Gotta have a few of each flavor and I don't normally buy guns in duplicate calibers

[Doggonekid]

The only 10 mm I own is the Colt Delta Elite. What a great gun. I love it. Accurate and the extra umph will cause a expanding bullet to expand. I have shot .45 ACP Black Tallons in to the sand and the biggest distortion to the bullet was the rifling on the side. The Black Tallon did not expand at all. With the 10 mm I dug the slug out of the sand and it was the size of a nickel. Extra 200 FPS makes a lot of difference. But my favorite is still .45ACP.

[Any Cal.]

I really like the 10mm, but feel it is a waste for most uses. Yes with hardcast for Alaska or hunting, for everything else there are better cartridges.

It might work for target shooting, for Bullseye a .45 may be a better choice, for speed oriented games 9 or .40 might be better.

It is also its own cartridge, and loading is slightly different due to the high pressure/medium capacity case. Typical special or mag powders aren't much use unless you are loading to .40 specs.

I say pass unless you have a good reason to mess with it.

[osteodoc08]

I have a Glock 20SF that I've really taken a liking to. With 180-200gr and 1200-1300fps, you've got plenty of medicine on tap with 15 + 1.

[Bigslug]

I would like to see this in person.

A 50 BMG shooting factory hornady 750gr Amax's out of a Barrett 99 will stop in the 6th one gallon jug at 50 yards. First hand experience

....however I guess the amax probably expands much more than the hard cast lead which would limit penetration.

Here ya go: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?255216-Feeding-Big-Meplats-in-1911-s-Continued-The-LBT-LFN

I was sufficiently amazed myself that I had to do it twice, but such seems to be the penetrating power of water-quenched wheelweight. What REALLY surprised me was the nearly identical result with the same alloy in a 130 grain Cadet-hybridized .32-20. I think over the last 3/4's of a century or so, we've gotten accustomed to results from jacketed bullets that are designed to disfigure themselves and accepted that as the norm for given diameters and weights.

But as for the topic of the OP. . . It's not that I dislike the Ten - just that if I didn't currently have one, I wouldn't see a need to buy one. It's another round to load for, with roughly equivalent materials for a roughly equivalent purpose. I guess y'all shouldn't expect too much from a guy who generally groups handguns into two categories - "1911" and "Other".:neutral:

[dddoo7]

Here ya go: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?255216-Feeding-Big-Meplats-in-1911-s-Continued-The-LBT-LFN

I was sufficiently amazed myself that I had to do it twice, but such seems to be the penetrating power of water-quenched wheelweight. What REALLY surprised me was the nearly identical result with the same alloy in a 130 grain Cadet-hybridized .32-20. I think over the last 3/4's of a century or so, we've gotten accustomed to results from jacketed bullets that are designed to disfigure themselves and accepted that as the norm for given diameters and weights.

But as for the topic of the OP. . . It's not that I dislike the Ten - just that if I didn't currently have one, I wouldn't see a need to buy one. It's another round to load for, with roughly equivalent materials for a roughly equivalent purpose. I guess y'all shouldn't expect too much from a guy who generally groups handguns into two categories - "1911" and "Other".:neutral:

Wow. I am very impressed. I don't have much experience at all with cast lead bullets. Just learning. It sounds crazy that a 45 acp could out penetrate a bmg, but the amax was in many pieces...with the two main pieces being the jacket and the core...both horribly deformed. I guess you learn something new every day.

[pme166]

http://eickpm.com/picts/610s.jpg

I like the 10mm and still do. The 610's are fun and reasonable to shoot and play with. Lead works well in them and the Witness Hunter 10mm.

http://eickpm.com/picts/witness_610.jpg

I find the 10mm accurate, reliable and easy to load. It is just the right size to pick up and load easily.

http://eickpm.com/picts/610-65_t3_041412.jpg

48 shots, 15 yrds, offhand.

[Bonz]

big thanks to everyone for their feedback/opinions/experience !

[EMC45]

http://eickpm.com/picts/610s.jpg

I like the 10mm and still do. The 610's are fun and reasonable to shoot and play with. Lead works well in them and the Witness Hunter 10mm.

http://eickpm.com/picts/witness_610.jpg

I find the 10mm accurate, reliable and easy to load. It is just the right size to pick up and load easily.

http://eickpm.com/picts/610-65_t3_041412.jpg

48 shots, 15 yrds, offhand.


I really like that Witness Hunter.

[happie2shoot]

I went the revolver route also. S&W 610. Mainly because I can shoot 40's and 10's and don't have to chase brass. It's the big brother to my 686. And my 610's big brother is my 625. I like auto round in a revolver for some reason. Call me crazy.

I like revolvers for most things too, but, with my Glock g20s I shoot 10mm, 40s&w, 357sig and 9mm,
all from the 10mm magazine. You can get a 38super barrel for it too.

The extra barrels are 105.00 to 125.00 each, you can do the same thing with the g29 too.

[725]

It's anecdotal, but I stopped a charge by a #300 boar with a 10mm. Frontal shot and it buckled at the knees, did an impressive a$$ over tea kettle roll and lay dead right there. It had been wounded 2 hours earlier by another hunter and was mad at the world. I like the 10 mm. Have a 10 mm barrel for my T/C Contender. I really like those revolvers above. I really need that winning lotto ticket!

[Apportation]

Para Elite LS Hunter. I like it. I shoot a super blackhawk in 41 mag more often though. I think a long slide 1911 style is sharper looking, but a revolver makes it easier to recover brass.