Anyone use H335 in .30/30?

[imashooter2]

I'm looking for 1,900-2,000 fps in a 20 inch Marlin using either the Lee C309-150F or the group buy 311440 clone. Any advice for where to start?

[felix]

28 grains. ... felix

[Char-Gar]

Last week I bought a can of H335 to use in the 30-30 with cast. Several friends 26 grains of this powder and the 180 RCBS FN for a velocity of about 1.8 fps.

[imashooter2]

Thanks guys!

[Cherokee]

Let us know how it turns out. I use H335 for jac...ed but never tried it with cast.

[sundog]

I've always thought that 844, and now 2230-C, were pretty close to 335. Check the load data on castpics, just take a looksee... sundog

http://www.castpics.net/RandD/load_data/load_data.htm

[imashooter2]

I've always thought that 844, and now 2230-C, were pretty close to 335. Check the load data on castpics, just take a looksee... sundog

http://www.castpics.net/RandD/load_data/load_data.htm

I went there first... everyone is shooting heavy bullets.

[imashooter2]

Let us know how it turns out. I use H335 for jac...ed but never tried it with cast.

I've been using 2400 with good results, but have this can of H335 sitting around. Figured I'd give it a try since it won't cost a thing. My next couple of weekends are booked pretty solid. I'll let you know when I finally get out to shoot these.

[Newtire]

I owe this load to Felix actually and it's been the best load as far as accuracy & power in my .30-30's. I'm using 30 gr. H-335 behind a Lyman 311041, which I know is heavier than you wanted to go but boy does that thing shoot! I remember him telling me how that stuff likes to burn at a higher pressure so tried it & it works. In the mean-time, I found a 150 gr. load that shoots real good with that stuff but probably not too great on speed. That's 22.5 gr. with a Loverin 311466. I will try that bullet with 28 gr. as well as the Lee 150 and see. Also, Win. 748 works well with the heavier charges and the 311041. Gonna try that with that new 311407 6-holer when I get it from Chargar's group buy. Lots of fun, too many molds, not enough time!

[Dr. A]

I also got the 311440 loaded last month and got to shoot it today. Ironically, I started at 29gr. of H335 and went on up to 34gr. My velocity went way up over 2500fps, and I was still getting 3.5 in. at 100 yards with 30mph winds. This isn't the accuracy I get with 311041, but that hit is mighty impressive! Wondered if I would get any expansion with water cooled wheel weights and this speed? This still isn't as fast as Paco Kelly advocates (36gr). I don't have any intention on going that fast, but was very suprised at the way this thing impacts.

[Bass Ackward]

Wondered if I would get any expansion with water cooled wheel weights and this speed?


Dr A.,

Expansion is an unpredictable event when you are that hard. Would it expand in white tail? Probably not. Would it expand in a Moose? Probably yes. The problem is that you won't be hunting moose with a 150 grain bullet, so I would advise nose annealing the very few bullets you would need and slow your velocity down. Still ACWW at 2000 is hard to beat.

Once a 30 caliber starts to expand at that velocity level, the forces on the nose are greater than the shank diameter of the bullet can retard and break up occurs. Where is this point? Well it is below 2500 fps, that's the best I can tell ya. But don't believe me, try the wet news print / milk jug test to establish a minimum and a maximum distance where you get the expansion you deem necessary.

One final note, if you add a little tin, your bullet will tend to hang together better than if you don't under all conditions. The tin adds to ductility.

[Dr. A]

Thanks, That is pretty much what I guessed. Already have a 173gr. 311041 ACWW and 27gr. of 3031 waiting for hunting season. They go about 2050. Dead on accurate, and from what you guys tell me, probably do OK with the expansion forces. This other load is looking fun to work up, though.

[imashooter2]

Bah! I finally get a free day and it's raining. Already have 311440's and C309-150F's loaded, so I tore down the old 30AS and gave it an action job. Hopefully I can get out tomorrow.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Bah! I finally get a free day and it's raining. Already have 311440's and C309-150F's loaded, so I tore down the old 30AS and gave it an action job. Hopefully I can get out tomorrow.

It dont' rain on the range, the sun don't shine and the bugs don't bite, there is only the shot. Carlos Hathcock.

Quote is from memory, might not be word perfect.

I won't let a wet ass stop me from shooting. I wear a wool bush shirt and a wet as a bastard (yankee term for Aussie Dri-z-a-bone raincoat).

[imashooter2]

It dont' rain on the range, the sun don't shine and the bugs don't bite, there is only the shot. Carlos Hathcock.

Quote is from memory, might not be word perfect.

I won't let a wet ass stop me from shooting. I wear a wool bush shirt and a wet as a bastard (yankee term for Aussie Dri-z-a-bone raincoat).

Screw that. Can't do any testing in a downpour. You and Carlos have fun, I'll shoot tomorrow if the sun comes out.:)

[Four Fingers of Death]

Screw that. Can't do any testing in a downpour. You and Carlos have fun, I'll shoot tomorrow if the sun comes out.:)


I missed the range this morning, I was up till all hours farting about on the net last night and slept in, sorry Carlos.

[imashooter2]

Good weather today so I picked up Carlos and headed to the range. The place was absolutely packed with hunters getting ready for the season, so I didn't get a chance to set up the Chrony. Just as well... The C309-150F went 5.5 inches for a ten shot group at 100 yards. That compared to the under 3 inches that I expect from that bullet over 2400 or 3031. The 311440 was just over 7 inches, which is completely unacceptable. This is the first load I've tried with the 311440, hope it isn't indicative of things to come.

On the positive side, the action job was a success. The trigger is much improved and the lever works smooth and light.