2400

[tdoyka]

i've really been thinking hard on getting 2400 for my 30-40 krag and 45-70. i know, i know. you got too many powders for too many guns. since i've been hooked on cast boolits, i've been trying to find what powder for at least two cartridges. i know that cast boolits has a sticky for the 30-40 krag and 2400. what i don't have is the 45-70? i'm trying to find it in 360gr ranch dogs or 405gr fbfn that goes around 1400-1800fps.

i can't find alliant 2400 in 45-70 anywhere. i tried lymans, alliant, and others. can some please help me?

thanks....

[John Boy]

i can't find alliant 2400 in 45-70 anywhere. i tried lymans, alliant, and others. can some please help me?
Join the Seeker's Club. Probably close to 1000 other reloaders are trying to find 2400 for sale

[mr surveyor]

it looked to me like the OP was asking for load data using A2400 in 45-70 ..... ?


jd

[tdoyka]

yes sir, i was looking for loading data.

[Gray Fox]

Based on my experience and others I've read here I'd say for .45-70 try 24-25 grains of 2400 with and tuft of pillow Dacron stuffed atop the powder with a pencil followed by your boolit. If that is a bit stout for you could reduce the charge a couple of grains and try that. I've found the Dacron makes for very consistent loads, and strangely enough the Dacron is not consumed and I find it 10 feet in front of the barrel. Good luck, GF.

[NSB]

My favorite load for my 45-70s (I've owned several) is with 2400. At 24-25 grains and a 400g bullet you get around 1400fps and fantastic accuracy. It's soft to shoot and kills deer very well (all 45-70 loads kill deer very well). I've never recovered a bullet from a deer using any 45-70 load.....yet.

[tdoyka]

The old Lyman and Ideal loading manuals are quite helpful. Lyman 45th lists 45-70 loads for both Trapdoors and 1886 with 2400 with both cast a jacketed bullets.

The Trapdoor load with the 385gr cast stops at 24gr at 1385fps, and the 1886 Win load with the same bullet 22gr for 1230fps to 31gr at 1685fps.

You don't mention what you're shooting the 45-70s from....

Winder, home of Johnny Weismuller(sp)

oppss!!! my 45-70 is a handi-rifle with a 22" barrel.

i'm pretty much sold on the 360gr ranch dog for hunting deer and black bear. i'm only going to shoot at 50-60 yards, so we'll double that yardage to 100-120 yards. i plan on using a red dot scope(mueller). since i am disabled( stroke right arm/leg) i want to try 1400-1800fps with the 360gr. i have a 405gr fbfn ( http://www.moyerscastbullets.com/ ) but i want a larger metplat.

yep its the home of weismuller(real bad at spelling it) and windber ramblers!!! i haven't heard weismuller in awhile. where are you from?

[3leggedturtle]

Looks like NSB uses about the same load I do. I have a few Alliant pamphlets that they have for free at gunshops. If you want I can send the 2400 loads for 45/70. I use 2400 in 300, 350 and 405gr boolits,velocitiy ranges from 1650, 1520ish and 1450 IIRC. I think max is 28grs with a 405gr Jacketed bullet. none of my loads are that high. I use Laser-cast boolits right now. Todd/3leg

[nekshot]

[QUOTE=excess650;3204378]I grew up 10mi south of Johnstown in Somerset County. I was working in Tire Hill the evening before the '77 flood.[/QUOTE
Sorry for drifting off topic but sure is good to here of somerset, I had a couple farms there years ago. Love those buck around Bakers flat!

[tdoyka]

Somerset, the OTHER Siberia!

hey, i really like siberia...i mean somerset!!! lol

i'm right outside of windber. moved here in 1983 when i was 11 y.o.

[ejcrist]

I grew up 10mi south of Johnstown in Somerset County. I was working in Tire Hill the evening before the '77 flood.

Gosh, it's a small world. My Mom is from Daisytown. We were there in 77 looking down on the devastation from on top the hill on the backside of Daisytown. That was some mess.

[tdoyka]

i was there in st micheal, actually creslow, and i slept through the whole thing. of course i was 5y/o. at the time. my grandparents, who lived down the street, had a car come thru their porch. i remember everyone in town had mud in the basement and the first floor of their homes. then in '83 we moved to windber.

[ejcrist]

Sounds similar to our experience up on the hill. I slept through it too - I was 12 or 13. I remember my Mom arguing with my uncle the next morning about leaving the basement door open and all the mud in the basement, but he never left the door open and it was just all the rain that flooded everything. Glad we were up high. I felt sorry for those poor souls down in the city. We took Frankstown Rd back to our house and the the trip wasn't all that bad.

My Ma lives with me now and I just told her I was talking to a guy from Windber and she was happy to hear that. She said all good things come from PA.

[birddog]

There are loads in the Lee Manual for 2400 in the 45/70, 385gr lead load is listed at 19gr. 25gr is listed under the 300gr jacketed bullet. Its feasible just start low.
Charlie

[dragonrider]

Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, third edition. Lists 2400 for three bullets 457191, 457122, 457193.

[quilbilly]

2400 has become so rare I have switched most of my 2400 loads to something else easier to find. I will miss it in my 308 and 357 maximum.

[T45LC]

I just checked Bass Pro Shop online. They have Alliant 2400 ( same recipe as the original Hercules brand ) listed at $32.00 per lb. I have enough to last a long time, purchased under the Hercules 2400 brand ( when powder was cheap ). Alliant Reloader-7 is also a candidate for the 45-70 .

[tsubaki]

The Lyman 46th edition has several listings with 2400 with various boolits.
One that may fall into your criteria is a 366gr #457124 using a Dacron wad (almost all Lyman data suggests it for using 2400 in 45/70).
26.5gr to 33.5gr with velocities of 1517fps to 1853fps and pressures of 20,400cup to 37,900cup.

Some others listed are:
A 420gr #457193 from 26.3gr to 32.0gr.
And a 322gr #457122 from 27.0gr to 34.5gr.

[Poppaclutch]

I'm looking for some Unique.
139584

[cephas53]

In my Handi 45/70 using Lee's 405 gr hb 23.0 grs 2400 went over the chrony at 1363 fps. My notes show 24.0 grs had a slight edge on grouping but for some reason I didn't chrono it, or forgot to record it. Used tuft of dacron between the powder and bullet.

[rosewood]

Tell us more about this "tuft of Dacron". Is that just pillow stuffing from Walmart? How much do you use? What if you don't use it? Does it burn up in the bore? Does it help prevent leading?

Thanks,

Rosewood

[tsubaki]

Dacron is a brand name for a type of polyester fabric.
Lyman has a size suggested to use as a wad for the 45/70 of 1/2gr 5/8" square x 1/4" thick.
The intent is to keep the powder in a fixed position in the cartridge, therefore preventing a position sensitive situation with some powder types.
Shooters have found the tuft usually within 5 to 10 yards of the muzzle.

[cephas53]

Not a wad but a 1 grain or so piece of dacron that fills the space between the powder and bullet. Wife sews allot so she has and abundant supply. There's a sticky at the top of this section on the proper use of fillers that is worth reading. Don't think it'd do anything to prevent leading but did lower the deviations on the chrono for me.

[rosewood]

Ok, just did a search. That is what is called batting correct? You get the kind that is rolled up and holds together better than the pillow stuffing. I think I have some of that. :)

Guess I was kind of confused with "tuft". I would think of tuft is the pillow stuffing (not a real defined shape) and the batting as just dacron squares or patches if you would.

[rosewood]

Just read through the sticky. That clears things up. Looks like either or have been used. Stuffing (poly fill) and batting.
Now to try out 2400 in the 45-70 BC.

Is that same batting good for black powder loads in the 45-70 or should you use a card type wad?

Thanks,

Rosewood