who said the 30 HBC will not shoot ?

[mike in co]

ohh boy did i open a can of worms.
i went to the range today with some freshly cast 30 hbc's.
water dropped straight linotype, sized to 308, weight with gc is about 190.
with an oal of 2.90, they shot well and clean in one of my k-31's. scope mounted on a st. marie mount, older weaver 10x. one hundred yards four loads with sundogs favorite....imr-4227. 19/20/21/22 gr. the 22 put three of five in 1/2", three of five in 20 did the same. three of four groups were aprox 1.5". the one larger group may be my fault as i was using a different point of aim.
i also tried 13 of red dot..they all hit the paper at 100, but a pattern not a group.
i tried fast with 32/33/34/35 of varget( 1900-2150 fps or so).....not good.

imr4227
19 1595 fps/es9
20 1646 fps/es5
21 1723 fps/es3
22 1764 fps/es6

rem 9 1/2 primers
win 284 brass
2.900 oal...requires bolt force closed ...just a tap to engrave the bollit.

i got some 165 sillywets comming, but guys there aint nothing wrong with the imr4227 groups.

ohh and i hate single cavity molds!

mike in co

[Ben]

Shot from my new Garand at 50 yards - 5 shots with the LEE HCB ,
you won't hear me saying " The Lee .30 HBC won't shoot " :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/1-7.jpg

[jcwit]

Wow!! Good Shooting

[4060MAY]

Now try shooting it at the Velocity it was suppose to be designed for

according to Aladin, you should be able to shoot it at 2700+ at 600yds with accuracy, at 2150 from a 30-40 Krag, 41gr 4350.
I had a hard time staying on the bank let alone hitting a Ram.
the group was about 6', off a bench. also leaded terrible, 21BHN.

[4060MAY]

Mike
if you want another one 15.00 + shipping to your Zip.

PM

[mike in co]

Mike
if you want another one 15.00 + shipping to your Zip.

PM

lol..i have two...thought i sold mine, bought another and found mine.

i did not have accuracy in the 1900-2000 fps range...straight lino.


maybe in a m39 or??

but fine so far at low speed
.
mike

[redneckdan]

I had the same thing in the .30-284 With 10gr of Unique, 38gr of WC860 and .7cc of COW under a lee 170gr flat nose the gun will stack them at 100yds. With the HBC it sprays them....I litterally couldn't keep them on a microwave box at 100yds. That barrel is a 1in10". Now with the .300 whisper they do fairly well, thats a 1in8", I haven't done any shooting for groups but I can usually bust crows out to 50yds or so off hand. I think I might try that 4227 data.

[DanM]

Time for a dumb question. What is a HBC boolit? Don't ask, don't learn, right?

[mike in co]

Time for a dumb question. What is a HBC boolit? Don't ask, don't learn, right?

ITS A LONG POINTED BOOLIT. A LOT OF WEIGHT UNSUPPORTED UP FRONT IN THE NOSE.
ITS AROUND 200 GR, GAS CHECKED...BUT ITS SO LONG IT ONLY FIT IN A LEE SINGLE MOLD BLOCK...KINDA A PAIN TO CAST.

[Ricochet]

HBC stood for High Ballistic Coefficient. It was originally more or less patterned after the shape of the Speer .30 caliber 200 grain spitzer. Pretty boolits, if nothing else.

I got all excited about 1 tiny little group (by my standards) I shot with them in my .300 Weatherby last fall as it was getting dark, and haven't been back to try that load again since. I'll get a round tuit one of these days. A fluke, perhaps, perhaps not.

[DanM]

Thanks for your replies. Has anyone got a link to a picture of the critter?

[Ricochet]

Here are a couple loaded in .300 Weatherby, along with the possibly fluky group I mentioned:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/SlidePicker/300WbyHBCTarget.jpg

Good luck finding one, I think there were something like 25 moulds made.

[Slowpoke]

Here are a couple loaded in .300 Weatherby, along with the possibly fluky group I mentioned:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/SlidePicker/300WbyHBCTarget.jpg

Good luck finding one, I think there were something like 25 moulds made.

The order is going out to Lee very soon. Near 100 molds are pd for here as of this morn with more orders coming in.

Thanks for listening in,
Jay aka Aladin- Posted: February 01 2004 at 4:48am

[floodgate]

OK, my HBC from the first order is a "VINTAGE" muold: eBay, here I come!

(Jest kidding; I'm hanging onto mine.)

Fg

[Ricochet]

The order is going out to Lee very soon. Near 100 molds are pd for here as of this morn with more orders coming in.
Cool! I didn't know it was going down again. Single cavity again, I suppose?

I'd go for a double if that was an option.

[Ben]

DanM :

I looked back at some of my old photos, this may be a help to you :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/30%2006%20DST/12.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/30%2006%20DST/11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/30%2006%20DST/10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/2-2.jpg

[DanM]

Well, it looks like a K31 boolit. I would go for a double cav. myself if available.

[Ricochet]

It does work in the K-31, but has to be seated all the way down so the curvature of the ogive begins at the case mouth. Extends way down into the powder space, reducing case volume noticeably. Take this into account in working up loads. Works best sized to .308" in mine as the square edge of the chamber shaves anything larger.

.30 HBC loaded for the K-31:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/SlidePicker/SwissHBC.jpg

(Inspired by the wax ring on GP-11 bullets, I'd dipped the noses in JPW.)

[4060MAY]

Mike
if you want another one 15.00 + shipping to your Zip.

PM
Sold to Ben

[Newtire]

I loaded some of these using the recipe of Ben (11.5 gr. Unique). I used my F.N. .30-06 I had made up a precious batch of 50 or so, lubed them with WFFL & left them sit after reading the dismal reports.

So yesterday, I took up the ones I had loaded and managed to make a group like Ricochet's 100 yd. group at 50 yds. When I got back to 100 yds., it opened up to around 2". Still, the holes in the target indicated that they weren't keyholing. They are very small in comparison to most of the other flatter nose designs I am used to shooting.

Judging from what I see, need to try something that will give it a little more speed without too big of a shock so as not to crumple the nose (if that's what happens). Anyway, one to play with. I will watch this one. Am going to try those 4227 loads and maybe some RX-7. I thought I had some 7383 that i got in the "great yardsale powder score of '06" but it turns out to be 7828. Saw an application for that in one of Jumptrap's posts on the 7.62X 54 Russian so maybe will try it out and see.

[Ben]

That 11.5 Unique load is very accurate in just about all the 06's that I've ever shot it in. I can't say what it would do past 50 yards as to accuracy. However it is a cheap , and very accurate load at reasonably short ( plinking ) distances.

Ben

[Ricochet]

I've got my .300 Weatherby rifle and remaining loaded HBCs in the car ready to sneak out to the range this afternoon. Gonna see if I got a fluke group or if I can repeat it.

[Ben]

Maybe it will be a " repeat ", that would be real nice. I saw your group, very impressive.

Ben

[mto7464]

what load did you use ricochet?

[Ben]

Looks ( as best I can tell from the fuzzy details written at the top of his target ) like ricochet was shooting a 4.3 cc Lee Scoop of IMR 7383 with a CCI - 34 primer and the 210 HBC cast bullets out of the 300 Weath. Mag.

[Ricochet]

Yep, that's it. And the group may well have been a fluke. Today I had a really bad day at the range. I've gotten a new metal tripod rest for my front bag that's lower than the plastic one I was using, and I'm having problems getting the heights of the front rest, rear bag on a block, bench and chair/stool/bucket to match up so I can aim at the target and get in a comfortable position behind the rifle. I haven't found a good stable combination yet. Then the rear sling swivel tore a hole in my rear bag, which started leaking out beach sand profusely. Sand buffed off the finish a bit on the bottom of my Weatherby's butt. My POI was off paper, and I had a hard time finding it. Kept having to walk to the targets trying to find the off-paper holes on the backing board, marking all the holes already there with a pen. Got confused turning my scope knobs and really screwed it up. Finally ended up bore sighting it over from scratch! Ran out of ammo without getting a useful group. Shot up all my full power J-bullet ammo returning it to being sighted in for that. I've got to sew up my rear bag and put some sealer on it. Never did get around to shooting the .45 I carried along. Missed the church supper this evening. Like I said, just a lousy day at the range. Still, that beats a good day most other places.

[mto7464]

"Lousy day at the range still beats......."

You got that right Ricochet. I would love to get out today but the weather sounds like a Hurricane out there and this is N. Missouri.

[redneckdan]

I loaded up 10 rds of HBC with 20.0 gr of 4227 in my .30-284 When it un-snows enough around here to make it to the range I'll give them a try.

[redneckdan]

I gave up on the un-snowing and took the rifle down to the range. They chronoed at 1610 fps. Groups were very good, I'll post picks when possible.