.35 Rem. for dangerous game?

[dualsport]

I'd like to have a Guide Gun in 45-70 but probably won't any time soon. I do have a single shot 45-70 and .444 but want some follow-ups in case things get tight. My most likely dangerous game encounter requiring a heavy hitter would be an exceptional Black Bear with an attitude problem. Not likely but possible where I go. I don't bait bears here, but go into the cover where they eat berries. Question; have you used the old .35 Remington on the big boys and what worked best? I'm currently following Ranch Dog's program for this cartridge and gun (336). Been there done that? Thanks.

[clownbear69]

interesting

my guess Id imagine you could yet the load might be the tough thing to figure out.

[Edward]

Ranch Dog and 336 sounds right to me ,my 35 does the job with the 200g RCBS FN but my 1st choice is always my Mathews bow.More fun!

[sharpsguy]

You will be a lot better off with a 45-70 shooting a 480 grain FN bullet at 1250 fps. BTDT. It is a HAMMER.

[Geezer in NH]

Sorry , Black bear no matter how rarely rate as dangerous game. My wife chases them up to 400 pounds off her bird feeders with a broom. I have never seen a black bear a 35 Remington could not handle.

[clintsfolly]

More peaple die from worrying about bear attacks then bear attacks! So use the 35 and live happy. Clint

[waksupi]

Being able to shoot accurately is more important. I wander around here in griz country with some pretty wimpy pop guns.

[725]

.35 Rem is plenty for black bears.

[DanWalker]

I flattened a very large warthog with a marlin 336 in 35 Remington in South Africa in 2012. I hit him through the shoulders at 65 yards with a Ranch Dog boolit. Sounded like a homerun hit with a baseball bat. He did one forward flip and kicked a couple times and that was it for him. That's my experience with it on tough stuff.

[Reg]

It has been a few years back but once upon a time if you were going to be guided in Canada for black bear the most common recommended cartridge was the .35 Remington with the 250 grain bullet.

I correct myself, it is a 200 grain bullet.

[JWFilips]

According to Barnes "The Modern Hunting Rifle" my favorite book to read since I knew anything about rifles

" The Iron sighted .35 Remington cartridge in a Marlin 336 Rifle ( note he did not say 20" carbine) with a Remington 200 grain core lokt Bullet will handle any big game animal in North America with a well placed shot"

[WBG]

I've lived in black bear country in BC and Alberta. You are good-to-go with a 35 Remington. Brian

[Three44s]

I recently acquired a 336 Marlin in .35 Rem.

I have not had any run ins with a critter much less had the opportunity to try the .35 on it.

However, I bought my rifle in the cartridge you are considering for close range cougars and a chance bad encounter with a black bear.

What I can tell you is that the .35 Rem is sufficiently accurate and makes a decent sized hole ........ and thus I am content with my choice for now.

Later, if grizzlies are a problem, I can always move up to the .45-70 in a Marlin with stiff loads. In the meantime, the .35 will give me a platform to train with much like lesser revolver rounds create a ladder effect towards mastering large bore handguns.

The .35 might also be of interest to my wife by then.

Best regards

Three 44s

[tdoyka]

i used a 308 win m760. i shot a bear at 20 yards and it went about 10feet. i was using a 150gr hornady round nose. the bear wieghed 396 lbs and the skull i still have.

a 35 rem should work, esp. with ranch dogs.

[1Shirt]

OK for black bear, anything bigger or more dangerous, you need more rifle IMO!
1Shirt!

[tdoyka]

OK for black bear, anything bigger or more dangerous, you need more rifle IMO!
1Shirt!

does a 444 marlin in a tc encore with a 23" mgm barrel work?[smilie=l:

[ammohead]

does a 444 marlin in a tc encore with a 23" mgm barrel work?[smilie=l:
Myself, for self protection I would rather have a repeater. With the really big guys you just might want the last one for yourself.

[tdoyka]

if they get that big, i'm staying home.[smilie=l:

[jonp]

plenty of gun

[leftiye]

Plus, in newer stronger guns the .35 Rem could be loaded up quite a bit from the industry standard loads and done safely. A ,357 max easily pushes 2000 fps. with a 200 grain boolit. That's at magnum pistol pressures (I don't load them to 50,000 psi). At the same pressures, the bigger case of the .35 Rem. should get quite a bit higher velocities.

[alrighty]

The .35 Rem. is enough gun,knowing where to aim and the ability to hit that spot is more important than boolit diameter and weight.

[dragon813gt]

I guess I've been doing it wrong. I hunt them w/ a bow or 357. Guess I need to step my game up ;)

[largom]

Lots of black bears killed with a 300 Sav. and a 30-30. Your 35 Rem. will do it even better.

Larry

[Three44s]

I guess I've been doing it wrong. I hunt them w/ a bow or 357. Guess I need to step my game up ;)

An animal wanting to make you an o'derve has it adrenaline up and a "plan".

A couple of my friends were bow hunting bears ........ they stuffed an arrow in one and he climbed the tree stand ...... his lights went out when his chin reached the platform .....

A bigger platform would have been nice to have room to stack the "brown stuff" that day. :bigsmyl2:

Three 44s

[John Allen]

I think a 35 remington is fine for this as long as you are sending a good bullet down range. I would prefer something a little bigger myself but would never worry about carrying a 35 remington.

[MikeBitzenburger]

A 35Remington and a 200 grain castbooolit will knock an American Bison off it's feet with one well placed shot. I would think a black bear of any size would crumple too. If it does not just shoot it again.

[nanuk]

According to Barnes "The Modern Hunting Rifle" my favorite book to read since I knew anything about rifles

" The Iron sighted .35 Remington cartridge in a Marlin 336 Rifle ( note he did not say 20" carbine) with a Remington 200 grain core lokt Bullet will handle any big game animal in North America with a well placed shot"

I recently bought a box of 35Rem ammo, so I thought I'd check....

yup, Sho Nuff... NONE of them cartridges were wearing iron sights.

I know some indians would paint an "Eye" on their bow so it could see the target and be more accurate, but putting sights on a cartridge just seems plain wasteful!
Now, but them sights on a Bullet, and you have something!

[dualsport]

Thanks for all the replies. I officially stop worrying about this one. Now I'll focus on practice.

[usmc1963]

35 rem is fine with heavy bullets i use my old marlin in 375 win with 250 grain fn

[dragon813gt]

An animal wanting to make you an o'derve has it adrenaline up and a "plan".

A couple of my friends were bow hunting bears ........ they stuffed an arrow in one and he climbed the tree stand ...... his lights went out when his chin reached the platform .....

A bigger platform would have been nice to have room to stack the "brown stuff" that day. :bigsmyl2:

Three 44s

I'm really doing it wrong then. I hunt them from the ground :D

[Rhou45]

The four black bear kills I've been involved with left me with the impression black bears die easy with a well placed shot.

1 killed at 20 yards with a single boiler room shot with 7mm-08 (my son)
1 killed at 25 yards with a chest shot by 7mm rem mag (me)
1 killed at 150 yards with 338WM chest shot (hunting partner)
1 killed at 200 yards with 7mm rem mag (another hunting partner)

All were spot and stalk mountain hunts.

Bottom line put a 35 Rem bullet in the heart/lung area and the black bear will grace your wall and table.

[35remington]

Use the 220 Speer with LVR powder to maximize the cartridge. Good velocities can be had at quite reasonable pressures that given very long case life in the 35 Remington. So loaded the cartridge goes at bit outside the "woods rifle" class and will put no undue strain on a 336.

[Three44s]

I'm really doing it wrong then. I hunt them from the ground :D


No. You are on the ground ......... if you wound it ....... it will climb the tree it thinks you are in a top a tree stand ........ with the popularity of tree stands it will assume you are "up a tree". You are good on the ground! LOL!

Best regards

Three 44s

[Three44s]

Thanks for all the replies. I officially stop worrying about this one. Now I'll focus on practice.

That's why I settled for a 35 Rem myself. The practice you pursue will also transfer to a .45-70 should you chose to move up to it someday.

Enjoy

Three 44s

[GooseGestapo]

I've killed LOT of deer and number of pigs with the .35rem. I took my first cast boolit deer with it and .338ME this past fall. I used the RCBS 200gr FNGC cast from a acww with 2% tin added. Not any significant expansion but short dbl blood trail. I hollow pointed the Lee 220gr I used in th.338. Larger exit wound, perfect thin skin game performance. I'll never buy another j-bullet for either.

The .35 requires 39.0gr BLC2. The .338 wants 40.0gr of RL15. The .35 RCBS casts to 220gr so there isn't a nickels with of difference.

Since the .35 came to exist to improve on the .30/30's performance on BIG stuff, I wouldn't hesitate to use it on anything in the lower 48.
My experience is tht the .35 hits harder than the .30/06 (I adore the'06 too), which is why I prefer it.
For Alaska, I have a .45/70 Marlin guide gun, and a .375Ruger "African" Hawkeye M77.
Sorry, not enough time/space/$ to take them all!
btw, my next boolit molds will be a nose-rider ~300gr FNGC for the .375.
I'll make a "boolit" gun out of it too. But thn what'll I do with all the j bullets I've acquired?