45 Collar Button

[Dave C.]

My mold and alloy drop an as cast diameter of .461". This will make them useful
in a wide variety of calibers. I have sized them .452" and .454" and it was no
trouble and the bullets still look very good. I loaded some for my S&W 1955
(45 Auto Rim) sized to .454" and lubed with LLA over 3.5gr of WW-231 and seated with the shoulder flush with the case mouth. This makes a wonderful
plinking load that was able to hit 3" rocks on the 50 yard back stop shooting off hand. The recoil was just a mild push. Oh, Yea they weigh in at 156gr.

Dave C.

[dromia]

.461" sounds good. Haven't used mine yet, cleaned it though.

My primary use will be for an indoor load in my Trapdoor.

[45-70 Plinker]

Know where I can get one of those molds?
I had one that I used the boolets from in my 45-70 Marlin and rolling block with 2 gr Bullseye to get .75 five shot groups at 25 yd and lots of fun watching people almost fall over with anticipated recoil the first time that they tried one.
A "friend" borrowed it, loaned it to someone and didn't get it back before he had a stroke and forgot everything.

[Catshooter]

Plinker,

Sorry, this mould was a group buy we did here on the GB forum some time ago, so your only real chance is to find one for sale. It was a pretty popular mould, I will tell you that :)


Cat

[45-70 Plinker]

Where did you buy the 457130 mold from? Or was it the 457326?
I am interested in the 457130 mold. If anyone has one I am interested in buying it if you are willing to part with it.

[dromia]

It was a Lee six hole GB.

Link to the thread is here:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=15210&highlight=Collar+Button

[Wayne Smith]

If you want one it's the NEI # 332C, described as .458-150-PB Collar Button.

[Springfield]

Or you can buy the LEE 6 cavity similar bullet called the EPP-UG, available from www.biglube.com

[wonderwolf]

I kinda wish I would have gotten one of these as I got a springfield trapdoor that would really like one of these. Are you guys using smokeless loads or full case of holy black [smilie=1:

[Lucky Joe]

I kinda wish I would have gotten one of these as I got a springfield trapdoor that would really like one of these.[smilie=1:

I have to agree with wonderwolf, I have a Buffalo Classic I enjoy shooting. But after a while the thumping on my end gets annoying.

[wonderwolf]

How many people would like one of these then? or are there any extras up for grabs? This might be one I might try and make a copy of in a 3 cavity sometime

[Catshooter]

Y'all might want to check a thread I just posted in the Group Buy forum.

Are you interested in another buy for a collar button?


Cat

[dromia]

Cat, I won't take this personal, but just out of interest are you deliberately trying to bankrupt me? :mrgreen:

[Lucky Joe]

[QUOTE=dromia;387794]Cat, I won't take this personal, but just out of interest are you deliberately trying to bankrupt me? http://i37.tinypic.com/2a9a6fo.jpg +1

I've never been one to suggest much on boolit design except for the .74 WC buy that is running right now. Actually we're waiting for it's arrival. I do like to shoot (period, I like to shoot) and I find these light boolits fun and economical as well as a good way for a new shooter to learn to handle a larger firearm. I also use them for hunting small game, the 74 grainer in my .38's has replaced my .22 pistols many times.

I read Dick Dastardly's web site and I like the idea that this boolit can be used in the Ruger Old Army with out having to put lube on top of the boolit. My question is could a boolit be designed in the collar button weight like Lyman's 457130 but with a TL design as opposed to the big grease grove. I lube with Lee's Alox most of the time and wonder if the TL approach would eliminate the need to add grease to the top of the boolit in my Old Army.

Now it just occured to me somewhere I read that Alox and black powder and it's substitutes are not compatible. It that's true than I guess this wouldn't work.

Just musing on a Saturday morning.

[Catshooter]

dromia,

No, you're wrong, this is a plot to bankrupt you. Sorry. You know what they say;

That's the way it goes,
first your money,
then your clothes.

Joe,

There isn't any reason the boolit couldn't be made with micro grooves.

I don't want to build one that way as it's not as flexable a boolit. And, you are correct, the Lee liquid lube combined with the holy black makes a very nice sticky mess.

I also like the idea of these very light boolits, very handy and economical. I missed the 75 grain .357 buy.


Cat

[dromia]

dromia,

No, you're wrong, this is a plot to bankrupt you.

Cat

Thats a relief Cat, for a while there I thought I was paranoid as well. :smile:

[StrawHat]

[QUOTE=Lucky Joe;387880
I read Dick Dastardly's web site and I like the idea that this boolit can be used in the Ruger Old Army with out having to put lube on top of the boolit. My question is could a boolit be designed in the collar button weight like Lyman's 457130 but with a TL design as opposed to the big grease grove. I lube with Lee's Alox most of the time and wonder if the TL approach would eliminate the need to add grease to the top of the boolit in my Old Army.

Now it just occured to me somewhere I read that Alox and black powder and it's substitutes are not compatible. It that's true than I guess this wouldn't work.

Just musing on a Saturday morning.[/QUOTE]

Joe,

The collar button 45 is a very flexible bullet because of that big groove. I have sized it down to use in 45 LC, 45 ACP, 45-70, and 44 Colt. I believe if we were to use the microgroove concept, the bullet would be entirely different, more like a wadcutter. Currently the bullet weight is slightly more than a round ball but the length is suffficient to work as a bullet. Not a bad deal, that. With the microgrooves it would more resemble Lyman 450225, a kind of stubby round nosed bullet. Not nearly as versitile a design.

Of course these are merely my thoughts, dissenters are welcome to respond.

Dromia,

A plot to bankrupt you? This from the fellow who cheerfully dove on the idea of the 58 caliber collar button mold that was originally proposed as a joke![smilie=1:

By the way, have you done anymore work with the 577? Perhaps a new thread is needed.

Thanks.

[Lucky Joe]

Joe,

The collar button 45 is a very flexible bullet because of that big groove. I have sized it down to use in 45 LC, 45 ACP, 45-70, and 44 Colt. I believe if we were to use the microgroove concept, the bullet would be entirely different, more like a wadcutter. Currently the bullet weight is slightly more than a round ball but the length is suffficient to work as a bullet. Not a bad deal, that. With the microgrooves it would more resemble Lyman 450225, a kind of stubby round nosed bullet. Not nearly as versitile a design.

StrawHat,

Thanks, after studying more I see I would be happy with the proposed boolit. I would just pan lube it and go with that. I'd like to see it stay as close to round ball weight as possible and also have a flat nose for tube feeding. Seems I tend to want these boolits to be as versatile as possible, thanks for your response.

[Catshooter]

Gentlemen,

I have just found two of the original collar button moulds that are from the group buy I ran last year. They are posted for sale in the Swapin' and Sellin' forum.


Cat

[wonderwolf]

Doh missed that one :(

[redbeard762]

I came across this data from Gun Digest relating to the collar button "bollits".

45-70 Gov't light loads.

144 grain collar button or 146 grain round ball
8 grains Unique 1135 fps
15 grains 2400 1300 fps
18 grains 4227 1390 fps
20 grains 4198 1350 fps

193 grain 455 Webley revolver bullet sized .457" (mold is rare)
10 grains Unique 1350 fps
16 grains 2400 1260 fps
18 grains 2400 1365 fps
18 grains 4227 1320 fps
19 grains N-200 1330 fps
21 grains 4198 1350 fps

210 grain bullet (mold and manufacturer unknown)
10 grains Unique 1330 fps
17 grains 2400 1310 fps
18 grains 4227 1295 fps
20 grains N-200 1325 fps
22 grains 4198 1400 fps

250 and 255 grain Colt revolver bullets (250 grain gas check #454485)
26 grains 2400 1480 fps
27 grains 4227 1440 fps
28 grains N-200 1460 fps
34 grains 4198 1630 fps
37 grains 3031 1510 fps

Source:Frank C. Barnes, Gun Digest 27th Ed., 1973

[StrawHat]

Thanks redbeard, saves me digging through the pile of books to find it.