Does 300BO in a single shot pistol makes sense?

[Lefty Red]

Saw a new CVA Scout V2 pistol and it's in 300BO. I had Contenders, but was not happy with them. Was thinking about this Scout for deer. Ranges would be under 150 yards.
Jerry

[6bg6ga]

If it makes sense to you then it makes sense. Go for it.

[leftiye]

I'm thinkin' that I'd like a rifle a bit moer. I'm considering a Handi Riffle with a silencer. But I have no problem with a pistol. The ctg. itself might be great with a standard twist (like a rechambered .30 carbine contender barrel).

[Lefty Red]

I have no experiance with the caliber. Well, shot friends AR in 300BO and though it was a match for the two. In fact, thinking out building another AR on 300BO. But other than that, I don't know it's capability on deer size game. And if it's capable of taking deer side game under 150 yards from a pistol.

[Beerd]

The 30 Herrett was made for a single shot pistol and deer hunting. It will shoot a 125 gr jacketed bullet at 2300 ft/sec. How do the 300 BO numbers compare?
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[Lefty Red]

I went ahead and got it. It's 300AAC, same thing I was told as a BO.

Recipe I got from the shooters were 150 grain SP and any deer within 250 yards is steaks.

The V2 Scout is barrel heavy, but it soaks up the recoil. I like it! Looking to get another one in 44 mag maybe later. I have scopes and slugs to buy! :)

[sparky45]

Question: Not to side track the thread, but will Thompson Contender pistols become "outlawed" with the new proposed legislation the group of DemocRATs have authored?
BTW, a pistol in 300BO would be a NFA item, right?

[Lefty Red]

Question: Not to side track the thread, but will Thompson Contender pistols become "outlawed" with the new proposed legislation the group of DemocRATs have authored?
BTW, a pistol in 300BO would be a NFA item, right?

From the law that was pasted in the 80's, I remember the Contender pistol was aurged very little in one gun ban because the judge just didn't see a bank robber using a single shot 410 barrel on a pistol grip.
But why would a 300 aac bo be a NFA item? There are Contenders in 45/70 that are pistols?

The Scout's barrel is 11.5", 14" threaded. And its pretty nice! I am really liking it. I only shot it five times, but I can see this pistol and a good scope taking deer out to 200 yards easy with a properly placed shot.

[Lefty Red]

The 30 Herrett was made for a single shot pistol and deer hunting. It will shoot a 125 gr jacketed bullet at 2300 ft/sec. How do the 300 BO numbers compare?
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From my reloading pages and sights, the 300 AAC BO can do subsonic to super sonic loadings. With a Nosler 125gr BT Bullet, they show a compressed loading that with do 2400 fps.

Jerry

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

Question: Not to side track the thread, but will Thompson Contender pistols become "outlawed" with the new proposed legislation the group of DemocRATs have authored?
BTW, a pistol in 300BO would be a NFA item, right?

NO NOT AT ALL 30-30 contenders , 7-30 waters and 223 pistols are very common 300 blackout only becomes NFA if if you add a stock and keep a short barrel or try and make a pistol out of a rifle reciver

but if you start by buying a "other" stripped receiver you can make a pistol of it but you need to start with a pistol or an "other" receiver


I was at a store that had a 16 inch barrel threaded end handi rifle in 300bo it wias litterly just inches bigger than the 30-30 contender and I think it may weigh less it definitly put the Handi in rifle and would do

[JSH]

The 30x221 and variations there of just make me scratch my head. It is a 200-250 cartridge yet the old 30-30 just barely has enough umpff to get to 150, this is in various circles of gun nuts of course.
A few of us were talking about this very subject last weekend. One guys bil had issues with a 7 mag, but a 300abc kills deer dead. We came to the conclusion it is recoil. On the AR platform it is called practice. One is more inclined to shoot a mild recoiling cartridge more than somthing that thumps a LOT more. Thus, more trigger time equals a some what better shooter.
I have found there are way more shooters than marksmen in the world.
Another round is the 357. It is a minimum on deer but a 223 or the 300abc is fine........
I played with a 300 whisper a few years back. Heavy and sub sonic was the in thing. Best I did was with 180-190 would shoot nice clover leafs at 100 in my TC. Funny thing is I was doing the same thing with my 30-20/aka 32-20 on the TC platform. The rimless case is long gone but still have the 30-20, along with several others on modern platforms.

[Jupiter7]

From my reloading pages and sights, the 300 AAC BO can do subsonic to super sonic loadings. With a Nosler 125gr BT Bullet, they show a compressed loading that with do 2400 fps.

Jerry

Not in 11.5" barrel it won't. The 300blk is the ballistic twin to 7.62x39 but runs into pressures of 55k. 150grn max loads of lil gun in my 10.5 run a little over 1800.

[Lefty Red]

Not in 11.5" barrel it won't. The 300blk is the ballistic twin to 7.62x39 but runs into pressures of 55k. 150grn max loads of lil gun in my 10.5 run a little over 1800.

No, you are right, its out of a 16" barrel. I still would think its going to get 2200 in the 11.5"
Jerry

[Lefty Red]

The 30x221 and variations there of just make me scratch my head. It is a 200-250 cartridge yet the old 30-30 just barely has enough umpff to get to 150, this is in various circles of gun nuts of course.
A few of us were talking about this very subject last weekend. One guys bil had issues with a 7 mag, but a 300abc kills deer dead. We came to the conclusion it is recoil. On the AR platform it is called practice. One is more inclined to shoot a mild recoiling cartridge more than somthing that thumps a LOT more. Thus, more trigger time equals a some what better shooter.
I have found there are way more shooters than marksmen in the world.
Another round is the 357. It is a minimum on deer but a 223 or the 300abc is fine........
I played with a 300 whisper a few years back. Heavy and sub sonic was the in thing. Best I did was with 180-190 would shoot nice clover leafs at 100 in my TC. Funny thing is I was doing the same thing with my 30-20/aka 32-20 on the TC platform. The rimless case is long gone but still have the 30-20, along with several others on modern platforms.

I understand what you are saying. And I might be wrong with pushing the caliber into super sonic velocities. But with our caliber restrictions for deer here in IL, I has to try.
Jerry

[Lefty Red]

When I stated the loading recipe would drop a SI deer at 250 yards, this is hunters and not really shooters. I mean they get a setup that works within the law and they hunt with it. They know there limitations and their abilities. Like I said, our laws here limit up. They make up take a long way around per say. Most of the "across the bean field" shots have been at 125-175 yards. But when they say they practice at 200, same range I go to, I believe them.

My ranges will be around 75-125 yards. I plan on using this pistol at Rend Lake. Its got a few 175 yards shots, but I have picked out ten good places that my son and I hunt that are measured out and have the deer there. If 30/06 loaded with a casted bullet doing 1600-1800 fps will drop a deer at my ranges, then a slightly lighter yet faster SP bullet should do the same. And basicly its because one is legal here and there isn't. Sad, but its what I have to work with.

Jerry

[Lefty Red]

NO NOT AT ALL 30-30 contenders , 7-30 waters and 223 pistols are very common 300 blackout only becomes NFA if if you add a stock and keep a short barrel or try and make a pistol out of a rifle reciver

but if you start by buying a "other" stripped receiver you can make a pistol of it but you need to start with a pistol or an "other" receiver


I was at a store that had a 16 inch barrel threaded end handi rifle in 300bo it wias litterly just inches bigger than the 30-30 contender and I think it may weigh less it definitly put the Handi in rifle and would do

Correct. Sorry Sparky, I wasn't thinking straight when I responded to your question.
Jerry

[plesant3]

I like the 7mm TCU in my Contender - I thought about a 300 BO, but didn't like the hassle of cutting down the brass. The 7mm TCU uses a full-length 5.56 case with the neck opened up. No other modifications needed, and the first firing fire-forms the new shoulder. Seems ballistically superior to the 300 BO, too...

Bud

[sparky45]

Well, I was actually speaking of POTUS's push (through BATF) to consider any ammo that is armor piercing in a rifle illegal and also illegal in a pistol.

[Smoke4320]

Well, I was actually speaking of POTUS's push (through BATF) to consider any ammo that is armor piercing in a rifle illegal and also illegal in a pistol.

Extrapolating from as currently stated proposed regs That would only apply to 30 cal armor piercing projectile rds not ALL 30 Cal Rds

[35remington]

2200 with a 125 is really optimistic in your short barrel given that it more realistically tops out at 2200 or a bit more in a 16. 2400 is unrealistic from a 16 with a 125. When I try to get more than 2300 by even a little I get case head swipe marks in my 16 inch AR. 2200 gives better case life.

if max speed is wanted in a Contender it's best not to settle on such a tiny case. Get what you get with good case life and be happy....it won't be anywhere near 2400.

Said by a guy with a 14 inch 7.62x29 barrel. 2200 is realistic with good case life in my gun and I've got a lot more barrel than you do.

[Geraldo]

For me, no, it doesn't make sense, but I don't live or hunt in Illinois. For you it's pretty much .300BO or .30 Bellm, so it does make sense.

[garym1a2]

I think you can get about as good preformance out of a rifle in .357 as you can a 300 blackout.

[aiken]

I hunt in NW Illinois with a Encore handgun(built with a factory bare "other" receiver initially transferred as a handgun)setup as a sniper. I bought a 20" bull barrel from Mike Bellm(Mike thought 20" was the limit for a handgun) chambered in 30 Bellm and shoot it @ 2700 fps with a 125 Nosler BT and H4198. The first "test" deer I shot with it was a shoulder shot @185 yards and the deer dropped like a wet towel, he was with a group and the rest just kept feeding as if nothing happened(I hunt from an elevated blind, they never know your there). I have shot several others with it since, the longest 205 yards and haven't had to track one yet.

[Lefty Red]

I think you can get about as good preformance out of a rifle in .357 as you can a 300 blackout.
Yes you can! And don't I wish we could use a 357 rifle in IL to hunt deer.

[Lefty Red]

I hunt in NW Illinois with a Encore handgun(built with a factory bare "other" receiver initially transferred as a handgun)setup as a sniper. I bought a 20" bull barrel from Mike Bellm(Mike thought 20" was the limit for a handgun) chambered in 30 Bellm and shoot it @ 2700 fps with a 125 Nosler BT and H4198. The first "test" deer I shot with it was a shoulder shot @185 yards and the deer dropped like a wet towel, he was with a group and the rest just kept feeding as if nothing happened(I hunt from an elevated blind, they never know your there). I have shot several others with it since, the longest 205 yards and haven't had to track one yet.

I like the 30 Bellm. Just don't care for T/C prices anymore.
Jerry

[Lefty Red]

2200 with a 125 is really optimistic in your short barrel given that it more realistically tops out at 2200 or a bit more in a 16. 2400 is unrealistic from a 16 with a 125. When I try to get more than 2300 by even a little I get case head swipe marks in my 16 inch AR. 2200 gives better case life.

if max speed is wanted in a Contender it's best not to settle on such a tiny case. Get what you get with good case life and be happy....it won't be anywhere near 2400.

Said by a guy with a 14 inch 7.62x29 barrel. 2200 is realistic with good case life in my gun and I've got a lot more barrel than you do.

Good Deal! Thanks for the info! I am not much of a speed freak, just want enough for the SP to work and be accurate. 99% of shots will be 100-125 yards.
Jerry

[Lefty Red]

I like the 7mm TCU in my Contender - I thought about a 300 BO, but didn't like the hassle of cutting down the brass. The 7mm TCU uses a full-length 5.56 case with the neck opened up. No other modifications needed, and the first firing fire-forms the new shoulder. Seems ballistically superior to the 300 BO, too...

Bud

I like the 7mmTCU. I would hunt with it if I could. Actually, I would take the 6mmTCU. I seemed to shoot better with it.
Jerry

[Groo]

Groo here
Do a search for the 300whisper as that is one of the [if not the ] first version.
The round is accurate, produces about the same specs as a 30-30 from the same length barrel,
and uses pointed bullets.
If you want to shoot heave [200gr+] bullets then a 1/8 or 1/7 twist will be needed.
I have an SSK in 300 whisper and it will hit critters much farther than I can.

[69daytona]

I have a 10 encore barrel in 300 blkout that I had made 5 years ago, it shoot heavy lead subsonic very good out to 200 yards and 125 gr super sonic both 2 moa.
i didn't need it but it sure is fun to shoot and now have an ar upper to go with it.

[Lefty Red]

Groo here
Do a search for the 300whisper as that is one of the [if not the ] first version.
The round is accurate, produces about the same specs as a 30-30 from the same length barrel,
and uses pointed bullets.
If you want to shoot heave [200gr+] bullets then a 1/8 or 1/7 twist will be needed.
I have an SSK in 300 whisper and it will hit critters much farther than I can.

Groo,
You would be surprised at the lack of info on the 300 BO in a single shot pistol! Info for an AR pistol in 300 BO for hunting (which I just say WTH), but none outside that platform. Found stuff on Handi Rifles too. But basicly going in blind except for some real world shooters around here. I am starting off with 150 grain and IMR 4198 and see where that leads me. Seems to be working for these guys.
My Scout VS has a 1:8" twist. Hoping to get up to the 200+ grain bullets soon. I am sure I can take any deer in SI under 100 yards with it.
Jerry

[Lefty Red]

I have a 10 encore barrel in 300 blkout that I had made 5 years ago, it shoot heavy lead subsonic very good out to 200 yards and 125 gr super sonic both 2 moa.
i didn't need it but it sure is fun to shoot and now have an ar upper to go with it.

I think the 300BO and AR was meant for each other! Seems the best for CQB and urban conflict. I hope to be able to build up a 300BO AR this winter.

Jerry

[JSH]

Groo,
You would be surprised at the lack of info on the 300 BO in a single shot pistol! Info for an AR pistol in 300 BO for hunting (which I just say WTH), but none outside that platform.
Jerry

There is not really a lack of data or info for this type of cartridge in SSP, your just not looking in the right place. As to data the cartridge knows no difference in barrel length 10"-xx" it is all the same. Barrel twist, powder, etc, other than bullet expansion at given speed, but that fall under design to me. There is another myth that pistol length barrels need pistol powders, that is the biggest bunch of bull butter that was ever printed. The vast majority of rifle type cartridges I have shot in a SSP, shot the same load in a rifle very well.
I have already heard about and seen folks take this cartridge and try to get faster "pistol" powders to work. Trying to save a a few cents and totally wrecked an AR. Powder is cheap, guns are expensive.
Jeff


G whiz, it's a Contender or a G2, never was G1!

[Lefty Red]

There is not really a lack of data or info for this type of cartridge in SSP, your just not looking in the right place. As to data the cartridge knows no difference in barrel length 10"-xx" it is all the same. Barrel twist, powder, etc, other than bullet expansion at given speed, but that fall under design to me. There is another myth that pistol length barrels need pistol powders, that is the biggest bunch of bull butter that was ever printed. The vast majority of rifle type cartridges I have shot in a SSP, shot the same load in a rifle very well.
I have already heard about and seen folks take this cartridge and try to get faster "pistol" powders to work. Trying to save a a few cents and totally wrecked an AR. Powder is cheap, guns are expensive.
Jeff


G whiz, it's a Contender or a G2, never was G1!

Good to know! Thanks for the input!
As for pistol powders, its what I saw allot of data on for Hornady and Nolser bullets. Granted most were the slower ones like 4277 and 296, but still. What other powders should I be looking at instead of the 4198 that was suggested? Bullets weights for the 1:8" twist?

Jerry

[JSH]

In that basic case I have had my very best luck across the board with AA9, if you can find it. When I say across the board I mean jacketed or cast from 110-220 grain bullets.
If you have any idea of what weight your looking at I will dig through my old data.
Jeff

[Lefty Red]

Shooters here said that a 150 grain bullet and 4198 did the best for them. I would like to go up to a 170 grain bulletin sense I am limiting my shots to 125 yards. But would like a load for 110 grains for plinking and target practice for son.

[Groo]

Groo here
Go to the loading manuals and get 300 whisper data.
Hornady no6,sierra no5 and call SSK.
As TC made whisper barrels for the contender, there is lots of data.
Most powders are of the magnum pistol type.
H110,W296, AA9, etc.
The BO and the Whisper are so close that some barrels are marked BLK/Whisper. [the chamber is looser in the BO]

[Lefty Red]

Thanks Groo!

[Ola]

.. I might be wrong with pushing the caliber into super sonic velocities...
Jerry
Take a look at this: http://www.jalonen.fi/index.php?mid=3&pid=4

The guys using these in .30-221 are definitely shooting super sonic ammo. The accuracy is just amazing up 200 metres. I Can't see a reason why your idea would not work.