Is This A Good Deal On A Uberti Old West Model?

[DougGuy]

Friend has one just like the one in the photo, maybe a little shinier, .45 Colt x 4 3/4" has maybe 100 rounds through it, he wants $400 for it. I know these cost a little more because of the antique finish, what do you think?

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[johnson1942]

they are listed at 659 dollars, sounds like you found a good deal. the ones ive handled have a smooth action and point real easy. feel good in the hand.

[bigted]

I cant believe how good that looks. 400 should be a bargain if it is anywhere as good lookin as the one in the photo ... or is this the one you are referring to?

[JeffG]

Doug, I think you definitely 'need' that! :razz:

[bedbugbilly]

A Uberti 45 Colt is my next buy . . . . maybe not the same finish but exactly like that one!

I purchased a Uberti Bisley in .357 a few months ago though the LGS that I use. They had to order it and I got better pricing than the MSRP shown on their site . . . BUT . . . for what that model and finish costs, even with a little off if purchased new . . that is a very good price . . . and a very good SA! If I ran across one like that, I'd snap it up immediately.

Good luck to you and if you get it, you'll love it!

[Terry37932]

I just purchased a Uberti Cattleman 7.5 in Nickle finish, works like a charm, but than again I'm no SSA expert.

[jmort]

That is a good price.

[Dan Cash]

Back in the day (yester year) folks bought guns for their nice bluing and stock finish. Today, some folks want that wore out look. To me, that revolver looks like $25 bucks if it has a good bore. Buy a nice one and use it until it looks like that.

[Love Life]

Back in the day (yester year) folks bought guns for their nice bluing and stock finish. Today, some folks want that wore out look. To me, that revolver looks like $25 bucks if it has a good bore. Buy a nice one and use it until it looks like that.

+1,324.8

[johnson1942]

just put a bunch of rounds through my uberti open top 1871 .38 special. kept the 3 inch gong spinning at 15 yards with only a couple of misses. really getting to like that gun. wife went 140 miles to the big city to day and going to get me some smokeless powder for it. those uberti guns are really smooth in action. really fit the hand. had two real colt ssa years ago and didnt like them, the navy grips fit my small hands. think the uberti replicas are better built than the the real colts i had. but im not a expert. got a old army ruger on trade recently and going to order a long colt cylinder for it. expect great thing from that gun. these cowboy guns are addictive.

[bedbugbilly]

DougGuy . . . I just had to come back to take another gander at that fine looking hogleg. Like fine wine and fine women . . . there isn't anything like a fine looking six shooter. We need more "gun porn" like this . . . ..

[shoot-n-lead]

That thing would be sweet if it were in 44 special.[smilie=p:

Joking aside, it is well worth the money.

[MtGun44]

Depends a lot on how you like old ratty looking guns. I am not
attracted by them at all, and would rather find a decent looking one
to buy.

But, some folks really like this antiqued look.

To each his own.

[DougGuy]

I had an old Colt one time, 4 3/4 x 45, made in 1902. It had the same finish as this Uberti, all patina and barely any hint of bluing way down in the protected areas. It had some nicks on the bottom of the barrel and the ejector housing, that got there from knocking out a window and shooting at cattle rustlers in Wyoming, around 1910. It was carried by a member of the posse who brought them in. SHOULDA kept that one.

That gun and this one have one thing in common, they both look a hunnert years old on the outside, and both tight as a drum, crisp, like brand new on the inside. The Uberti because it's only had about 100 rounds through it, and the old Colt because it was never abused and never fired too much.

[shoot-n-lead]

I have a couple of the Cimarron's in 44 special...now, I have the Ruger's and like them, good, tough guns...but I LOVE the Cimarron's. When I am headed to the woods to trample around...I always reach for one of the Cimarron's, good shootin' and carryin' sixgun's.

[DougGuy]

Well, here's the deal.. Or dealbreaker.. The guy had some pimp pearloid grips on the gun, and he kinda hem-hawed about where the original one piece grips might be, and that it might be hard to find them, so I told him this was a dealbreaker for me at $400. About 10mins later the phone rings, he has gotten in touch with the previous owner, who knows that he still has the grips, and can get to them in a couple of days.. Now I will go ahead with it.. Thanks for your opinions everyone, gonna be a fun gun to shoot.

[Rhou45]

Congratulations, Any "new" to me gun is always a treasure, as I am sure this one will be to you. Load it up and enjoy!

[DougGuy]

Made the deal with my buddy today, supposed to get the original 1 piece grips in a couple of days.. Meanwhile as much as I detest what digital cameras do, it kinds washes out that New Orleans Pimp look that these fake pearls have and makes the picture liveable.

Bore slugs right at .452" but the cylinder throats are a gaping .4565" which will be hard to come by the right boolits. Other than that, the gun is tight, probably has less than 100 rounds through it, the fit and finish are exceptionally nice, the trigger break is smooth, about 5lbs with just the tiniest bit of creep but I can hold the sights motionless while dry firing so that is a BIG plus, since if you can't do that, you will never shoot the gun well regardless of caliber or how well the gun is fitted. Overall I think I did good, will replace these photos when I get the real grips on it..

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[StrawHat]

...Made the deal with my buddy today, supposed to get the original 1 piece grips in a couple of days.. Meanwhile as much as I detest what digital cameras do, it kinds washes out that New Orleans Pimp look that these fake pearls have and makes the picture liveable...

Pearl was the grip of choice for fellows like Frank Hamer, Tom Threepersons, Barclay Masterson, Bob Dalton and a few others. Even Patton had a couple of pistols with pearl on them.

Kevin

[DougGuy]

Pearl was the grip of choice for fellows like Frank Hamer, Tom Threepersons, Barclay Masterson, Bob Dalton and a few others. Even Patton had a couple of pistols with pearl on them.

Kevin


REAL pearl YES! These fake pearls? Yuck..

Had a 1927 Colt factory nickel and pearl, oh my it was a looker! And the feel in the hand! That shell gets thin out on the corner so the grip is a near teardrop shape looking from the heel..

[johnson1942]

in truth the general said pearl grips were for pimps and he had ivory grips on his guns.

[robertbank]

Went to wood with the one Uberti I have that came with faux ivory grips. I wonder if you could stain them with tea to give them a brownish worn look about them?

Love my SAA and the Uberti's are top of the food chain now when it comes to SAA replcas that are affordable.

Good looking shooter Doug, and a good price!

Take Care

Bob

[DougGuy]

TY sir.. I have some tea (or otherwise) stained pachyderm tusk (the I word) but they don't fit the backstraps. Mine are original Ruger factory scales, with period correct squashed chicken medallions, hand numbered on the inside, made 1953-1958.

[robertbank]

Would those grips fit a NM Lipsey Ruger with the medium, frame?

Take Care

Bob

[DougGuy]

Would those grips fit a NM Lipsey Ruger with the medium, frame?

Take Care

Bob

I am thinking they will. Both are XR3! Might have to relocate the roll pin hole like 1/3 hole but that's easy with superglue.

I got them with the intention of getting a NMV with some wear on it so it looked like an old Hollywood movie prop. They'd be right at home then.

[jonp]

Friend has one just like the one in the photo, maybe a little shinier, .45 Colt x 4 3/4" has maybe 100 rounds through it, he wants $400 for it. I know these cost a little more because of the antique finish, what do you think?

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/Guns/UbertiOldWestCattleman_zpsa0925c0b.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/Guns/UbertiOldWestCattleman_zpsa0925c0b.jpg.html)

Going to be a little tough shopping at Hill's right about now

[jonp]

REAL pearl YES! These fake pearls? Yuck..

Had a 1927 Colt factory nickel and pearl, oh my it was a looker! And the feel in the hand! That shell gets thin out on the corner so the grip is a near teardrop shape looking from the heel..

I agree with that. That handgun needs wood on it to look right. Just my opinion which is not worth much. I'd have snapped that gun up at $400.

[DougGuy]

Going to be a little tough shopping at Hill's right about now

I was sad to hear of their closing, didn't even know about it until a day later. I used to get powder and primers there a lot.

[jonp]

I was sad to hear of their closing, didn't even know about it until a day later. I used to get powder and primers there a lot.

I didn't know about it until the week before last. My wife and I were in Raleigh and we went over so I could pick up some primers and the windows were all papered up.

I took this last year or the year before. I wonder if the car in the foreground with the Obama Sticker parked in front every time I went in had anything to do with it. Last time I was in to get some primers the kid behind the counter ran on and on about 1,000yrd shooting, glocks, plastic guns etc..It was kinda annoying. The other guys were pretty good, though.

133847

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I think those grips are called, Mother of Toilet Seat.

[DougGuy]

I agree with that. That handgun needs wood on it to look right. Just my opinion which is not worth much. I'd have snapped that gun up at $400.

I did :) Been looking around, may come up with a couple slabs of Siberian Mammoth Ivory, time I got them carved and yellowed a bit, it would look -very- J. M. Books' style gun.

[DougGuy]

My buddy said he would try and get the original factory grips for this gun and he didn't disappoint, so here it is like the day it shipped..

P.S. Siberian Mammoth Ivory is inbound.. Soon be some 1880s looking aged ivory on it..

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[robertbank]

Great gun Doug. Where did you source the Siberian Ivory. PM me if it is sensitive.

Take Care

Bob

[DougGuy]

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[robertbank]

Thanks Doug. I will look into it.

Did you do the grips yourself or have someone else do it? Sorry for all the questions. I really think an old ivory set would look so period on my El Patrone or Cattleman.

Take Care

Bob

[DougGuy]

I do my own when I make grips. The one piece walnut that is on there now is factory original.

[robertbank]

You have a talent I only wish for. Ask me to make a wheel and it would have four sides to it!

Take Care

Bob

[Patrick56]

134690 Removed a thick layer of plastic varnish from my Uberti. The factory grips were just nice when oiled.

[35 Whelen]

My buddy said he would try and get the original factory grips for this gun and he didn't disappoint, so here it is like the day it shipped..

P.S. Siberian Mammoth Ivory is inbound.. Soon be some 1880s looking aged ivory on it..

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/Guns/DSC03760crop768_zpsxo4wirjx.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/Guns/DSC03760crop768_zpsxo4wirjx.jpg.html)

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I LOVE your new revolver!! I see something a little peculiar about it though. I see it has the full width (.100") front sight, which is a huge plus,yet it appears to have the traditional V rear groove. I've never seen this. Typically, revolver come with the traditional V groove rear and the "pinched" front, or the square .125" rear groove and the full-width front sight. Also, yours is a black powder frame which as far as I've ever seen, always come with the traditional sights. Also, it appears someone milled the receiver just ahead of the hammer into a sort of teardrop shape.
Here's a shot of two of my Uberti's where you can see what the rear of the receivers look like.

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Incidentally they both came with the V rear sight groove which I had milled open to .125", and the "pinched" front sight which I replaced with full width sights.
Not critiquing or criticizing your new revolver at all, just curious. And by the way, I much prefer the worn looking finish. The bottom revolver in the above picture came to me with a blue finish which I stripped and then "antiqued" the revolver.

35W

[DougGuy]

I LOVE your new revolver!! I see something a little peculiar about it though. I see it has the full width (.100") front sight, which is a huge plus,yet it appears to have the traditional V rear groove. I've never seen this. Typically, revolver come with the traditional V groove rear and the "pinched" front, or the square .125" rear groove and the full-width front sight. Also, yours is a black powder frame which as far as I've ever seen, always come with the traditional sights. Also, it appears someone milled the receiver just ahead of the hammer into a sort of teardrop shape.
35W

This gun is patterned after a "pinched frame" Colt which the very first commercial SAAs that left Hartford are known as "pinched frame" models. Uberti didn't play when they made this one, they got serious about how detailed they wanted to be, and they copied this very rare and highly prized variation into this model, along with it's .4565" cylinder throats which would have also been typical for the period on a Colt. The rear sight is actually a "U" groove which leaves no light on either side of the front sight when the sights are aligned, it turns the backstrap into a nice solid round shape which tricks the eye into making it look like there is no rear sight notch at all.

Here is a photo of a commercial "pinched frame" Colt SAA, serial number 58, shipped on Sept. 2, 1873, one of eight in the very first shipment of commercial SAAs to leave Hartford:


http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/Guns/ColtSAA58-PinchedFrame_zpsjrah8aay.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/Guns/ColtSAA58-PinchedFrame_zpsjrah8aay.jpg.html)

Here is a photo of "pinched frame" serial number 163. Colt made the "pinched frame" model in anticipation of a renewed US Army contract, but the Army didn't like the rear sight and wanted something different. Colt discontinued production of this variation with fewer than 200 revolvers produced. These are the rarest of the single actions that shipped from Colt.

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[robertbank]

Doug thanks for that, very interesting piece of history.

Take Care

Bob

[35 Whelen]

Very interesting! I did not know that about Colts. Did the Colts have the thick front sight, did someone install it on yours or do you think Uberti just decided to use the thick front sight?

With the relatively large cylinder throats do you think soft bullets in the .453" to .454" range would do well?

35W

[DougGuy]

Very interesting! I did not know that about Colts. Did the Colts have the thick front sight, did someone install it on yours or do you think Uberti just decided to use the thick front sight?

With the relatively large cylinder throats do you think soft bullets in the .453" to .454" range would do well?

35W

No the Colts had a rather narrow front sight on those. Why mine has the thick front sight is anybody's guess.

I would think a soft boolit with soft lube .454" would work, personally I like the boolit to throat fitment to be a light drag, but a .454" would bump up and fill the throat if there was enough pressure behind it or if it was a hollow base like the original WW 255gr load.

Silver Jack Hammer was kind enough to send me some samples of the 454190 that are sized to .4555" and fit these throats marvelously well, and in anticipation for loading more for this revolver I made a custom expander plug for the Lee .45 Colt die which seemed to work quite well. These aren't soft enough to bump up with standard .45 Colt pressure but there is no need either, since they fit the throats with a light drag fit. Put 20 of these up over 8.5gr Herco, WLP primers, looking forward to the first range session this week sometime.

Stock Lee expander on the left in the inset measures .4515" the one I made on the right is .454"

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