How many guns is "Stockpiling"?

[500MAG]

A couple of weeks ago I saw a local guy on the news charged with stockpiling weapons. Of course, he did something wrong that got the initial investigation started but my question is what is considered stockpiling? This includes number of firearms and ammo. When does collecting become an issue?

[richhodg66]

To the libtards, any is too many.

I personally have a few I haven't shot in years. They aren't eating anything and I consider it a collection, not a stock pile.

[labradigger1]

What obummer calls a stockpile I call a good start.
Lab

[shdwlkr]

to a liberal/socialist 2 firearms is a stockpile to normal folks depends on how many you find follow you home.
don't forget 2 boxes of ammo is a hoard of ammo

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I was gonna write a book some years ago. The Title would have been "Stockpile". It's a disease I caught from my folks, who were kids during the depression, so they knew lean times. I have stockpiled everything you can imagine, whether it's 'extra' machine screws from work, that normally get thrown away ...OR salvaged bricks/patio blocks from neighbors who were re-lawnscaping, to be saved for my unknown future use.

Back to the OP's Question...I'm guessing the news reporter/editor took liberties with with the facts ...no doubt this person was charged with some other offense, like domestic violence or something, where one gun would be illegal to possess.

[Artful]

Weapon collections usually aren't the problem, most gun owners have more than one.
- Ammo & reloading supplies, these are usually covered under state and local laws (usually fire code)
NYC law limits you to 300 rounds of ammo total, that's 6 boxes of 22LR - really!

- I think it was called Project Disarm a Task Force by BATFE when I first heard of these laws.

http://conference.blog.nfpa.org/2013/06/bullets-gun-powder-and-primers-oh-my-nfpa-staffers-discuss-how-ammunition-reacts-to-a-fire.html

There are Stockpiling / Hoarding laws and they first appeared in the United States out in, you guessed it, California. Following the Great San Francisco Earthquake some wealthy merchants formed a cartel in the wake of the disaster. They bought up every bit of food, medical supplies, tools, coal, lamp oil, and ammo they could find. Then they hiked the prices to the heavens. Exploitation like that may be short lived, but the damage it causes is severe. So the state invented anti-hoarding laws to deal with these folks.

Fast forward a hundred years and these same kind of laws have spread everywhere and been expanded way beyond their intended scope. You don't hear of people being charged with hoarding crimes very often, but the laws are there. We've lived in such abundance for so long people have all but forgotten these laws, but I repeat they are on the books.

These charges are usually at the desecration of the Officer.

[garym1a2]

In Florida we have no such limits.

A couple of weeks ago I saw a local guy on the news charged with stockpiling weapons. Of course, he did something wrong that got the initial investigation started but my question is what is considered stockpiling? This includes number of firearms and ammo. When does collecting become an issue?

[TXGunNut]

For shooters it's a relative thing, as a dabbler now my "stockpile" looks a lot different from when I was a comp shooter or LEO.
For the uninformed liberal press almost any amount is a "stockpile" or "arsenal". Any word that grabs the readers' attention accomplishes the writer's goal, accuracy is seemingly of little concern.

[18Bravo]

Since even the great liberal state of Illinois doesn't have any restrictions on the number of firearms we can own, I loosely interpret "stockpiling" to mean "collecting". Just like Jell-O there's always room for a little more.

[captaint]

What richdogg said..... If the news scum can "make a story" out of it - any more than a few is an evil stockpile. They make it sound like "thank God we found these".. I find myself watching the "news" seldom any more. I just can't take it.

[TXGunNut]

What richdogg said..... If the news scum can "make a story" out of it - any more than a few is an evil stockpile. They make it sound like "thank God we found these".. I find myself watching the "news" seldom any more. I just can't take it.


That and "reality TV" are why I pulled the plug on TV awhile back. I have a device that resembles a TV but it's simply a display unit for a DVD player for nights when reading by the radio isn't stimulating enough.

[Beagle333]

At least 30 more than I currently have. Check back in 20 years. 8-)

[GRUMPA]

Whenever I see something like this the first thing that comes to mind is an old phrase I read called the dumbing of america. How long ago it was I can't remember, but it seems to fit the more posts I read. Hoarding can and does mean something different according to whom you ask. All I do is think in my mind parallels, nothing more nothing less.

Personally how much of what a person has is there own business so long as it doesn't interfere with my business. A person can have 30 cars new or old and so long as I don't have to look at them, personally I could care less. I remember a show that was nothing but a show on hoarders, so what and I could care less.

All I see or hear is a lot of this "What If" Hypothetical responses from folks to justify there actions or the actions of others as a means to an end. Nothing happened, and more than likely nothing ever would have. But for some reason or another someone has to justify there actions at the expense of a victim to justify there place in society.

So as far as the title goes "How many guns is Stockpiling" is a moot point.

How many folks know of a person with 100's of pairs of shoes?
How many folks know of a person with closets full of cloths?
How many folks know of a person with 100's of DVD's?

Point is how many guns or whatever a person has is in my mind there business.

[TXGunNut]

The amount of ammo or components I have "stockpiled" is more a matter of convenience than any "what if" scenario. Acquiring ammo or components can be difficult these days so I keep enough on hand that I don't have to do the acquisition thing very often. The number of guns is partly tied to "what if" hunting scenarios or an interest in a historic rifle or cartridge, not "survival" scenarios.

[tdoyka]

stockpiling.....what is this word stockpiling? i know nothing of this stockpiling....

its none of anyones business!!!
whether its guns, shoes, or tiddly winks, its no ones business....unless you are a libertard/socialweenie, then its everyones business.

[Garyshome]

The refusal to acquire any more calibers keeps my hoard in check. In fact I am trying to thin the hoard somewhat. But there is always somebody [obama/holder] who wants to get in my business for whatever reason [nothing better to do, no one else to bother] These are the people to watch out for.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

Obozo said we retreat to our guns and religion. I don't know how many guns I have without taking a head count but it may be considered a pile. I was wondering, can you stockpile religion? I wish he would clarify.

[popper]

We had a domestic case here a few years ago, reporter stated the guy had thousands of rounds of ammo. Couple bricks of 22. They gotta scare you somehow. I tried to find out about the smokless powder restriction a while back, never could get an answer.

[Wolfer]

It seems to me that before it could be called stockpiling you would have to know how many you have. This leaves me out!

[tdoyka]

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[cephas53]

Yep, always chuckle at the news stories of someone who did something wrong and they found a stockpile of weapons. Usually a couple handguns, shotgun and some ammo. They'd faint at what most normal people have.

[smokeywolf]

A couple of years ago a nutjob killed 4 people and shot up the library at the Santa Monica College. He had 1 AR platform rifle, a Colt semi auto pistol and a replica of a 1858 Remington cap & ball pistol. Both the police chief and the news media referred to these 3 guns as an "arsenal".

smokeywolf

[dragon813gt]

My "stockpile" was lost in a tragic boating accident. I can't understand why I keep buying boats and firearms. I buy them w/in a few days of each other and the boat inevitably sinks w/ the firearms, ammo, reloading tools and components on it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it :)

[blademasterii]

Yea, the media coverage of some of these hoards, stockpiles, arsenals and weapons caches makes me laugh. I usually take more than the actual number they are talking about just going to the range along with a few hundred rounds of ammo each. Scares the sheeple when they sensationalize it. Its fun showing up at the range and the rangemaster asking if you plan to make a little noise(suppressed) or a lot of noise (big bores). :D Also fun letting someone try a few of the tax stamp toys, explaining that yes the are legal and here is how you acquire them. The smile they just can't wipe off their face after is a lot of fun too.

[Shooter973]

As a general rule I have more ammo and guns in my pick up to "quailify" as a Hoard or Stockplie. And that just what would be found rolling around in one of my range bags.:bigsmyl2: Thankfully here in Utah I'm just getting a good start on my "supplies".

[375supermag]

Hi...

"Stockpile" and "Arsenal" are just liberal buzzwords...they mean nothing.

Having said that, I promise you that I have enough firearms and ammunition to establish several "stockpiles" and more than one or two "arsenals".

My 21-year-old son has learned well about "stockpiles" and "arsenals"...he is well on his way to acquiring at least one or two of his own.
I am his primary enabler and encourage him to "stockpile" as many "arsenals" as he can. My wife has also been known to help him with his collection of "arsenal"-type "stockpiling.

[freebullet]

How many guns is "Stockpiling"?


1 autoloader with a magazine or 1 revolver if you have any ammo. If it's any color other than clear see thru it's an "ak4175 glock ar assault weapon". Last but not least if you don't like, ever harmed, or spoken against butterflies, rainbows, and unicorns your a terrorist.

I hope that clears things up and helps keep you legal.

[JWFilips]

A couple of weeks ago I saw a local guy on the news charged with stockpiling weapons. Of course, he did something wrong that got the initial investigation started but my question is what is considered stockpiling? This includes number of firearms and ammo. When does collecting become an issue?

Based on the ones "They" know about? or are you talking for real:bigsmyl2:

[edler7]

My "stockpile" was lost in a tragic boating accident. I can't understand why I keep buying boats and firearms. I buy them w/in a few days of each other and the boat inevitably sinks w/ the firearms, ammo, reloading tools and components on it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it :)


I'm having the same problem. And danged if it isn't always right over the deepest part of the lake !

[historicfirearms]

You guys gotta let me know where that lake is.:cbpour:

[scarry scarney]

Stockpile? Arsenal? Or just enough to get by with.....

Ok, so I teach a few classes a year, some of the classes I provide the ammo. I

n one of my shotgun class, a student can fire up to 250 rounds, and I can have 4 students. Just for this class I keep 1000 rounds of 12 gauge on hand.

For my Simunition classes, ammo comes in 1,000 round boxes. The rounds are "marking" rounds and come in six different colors. Needless to say I have several thousand rounds of 9mm Simunition ammo. I also provide the pistols, rifles and shotguns for these classes.

Some would say I have an arsenal due to the guns and ammo that I have on hand.

I don't think I have a stockpile, and I sure don't have an arsenal.

[texaswoodworker]

I read an article some time back about some guy in the UK who had an illegal stockpile of weapons. There were maybe 3-4 guns and most of them were single shot antique handguns...

[ejcrist]

I'm proud to be a stockpiler. Like Richhodg66 said, I too have many that haven't been shot in a while but they don't take up much space and I always get to shooting them sooner or later. I'm very thankful I live in a country where stockpiling is aloud, at least for the time being anyway.

[JWFilips]

& How about a stock pile of ammo! We would make the media cringe! don't you think!

[perotter]

A stockpile of guns would be somewhere between being able arm a battalion to a division. So when you can properly arm a battalion, you might want to slow down a bit on your purchases/trades. That is if you have any concern about being considered a stockpiler.

[MaryB]

Liberals would have had a fit over what I had in the truck last week. 200 rounds of 223, 1k or x39, my SKS, My AR-15, my PK380 and 100 rounds of ammo... I was just coming back from my LGS... he has a private range behind the shop.

[Blacksmith]

These reporters need to visit a real arsenal to see what a "stockpile" really looks like. Can you imagine the look on their face when confronted with thousands of weapons and ammunition counted in tons?

[texaswoodworker]

A stockpile of guns would be somewhere between being able arm a battalion to a division. So when you can properly arm a battalion, you might want to slow down a bit on your purchases/trades. That is if you have any concern about being considered a stockpiler.

I know of a few people who have enough guns to arm a small battalion.

You should see my want list...

[Three44s]

Stock pile, hoarding, arsenal ............... words used to defame honest gun owners ........

.......... watch how they cling to the pant legs of honest to goodness gun owners when ISIS starts their little theater!

Three 44s

[NavyVet1959]

It seems to me that before it could be called stockpiling you would have to know how many you have. This leaves me out!

Agreed...

"If you know how many guns you have, you probably don't have enough." -- (unknown internet author)

[NavyVet1959]

As long as the firearms are different types, it doesn't matter how many you have, I don't think it can be classified as an arsenal or stockpile, it's just a "varied collection". If you have a certain number of weapons which are all exactly the same, then it might be possible to claim it to be an arsenal or stockpile (not that this is necessarily a *bad* thing to do). :) What that "certain number is, I don't know. If I had a hundred or so AR-15s that were all exactly the same, I might consider it a stockpile. If they were assorted calibers, barrel lengths, manufacturers, and configurations, then it would just be a collector who specialized in one particular style of firearm.

[Ed Barrett]

As long as you have room for more guns, it's not stockpiling!

[Houndog]

This thread had me wondering bout things so I went to the chief detective for the Sheriff's dept. and asked that very question. He said "there's no such thing in my state and not worry about it!" His only caution was if we had a house fire just warn the fire department.

[mac60]

I know of a few people who have enough guns to arm a small battalion.

You should see my want list...

I know of a guy over in Louisiana that actually had to add on to his house to make room for his guns. Another older man in Washington state whose horde has to be seen to be believed.

[texaswoodworker]

I know of a guy over in Louisiana that actually had to add on to his house to make room for his guns. Another older man in Washington state whose horde has to be seen to be believed.

This is my dream room, only lined with mostly milsurps. :D

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b6/12/12/b61212f994b3cd65af3fd482613f2a8d.jpg

[ak_milsurp]

That's a Cabelas gun library

[str8shot426]

133295
My kids stockpile......That's 5000 rounds of ammo! Lol.

[therealhitman]

These charges are usually at the desecration of the Officer.

I think you meant discretion, but whether it was on purpose or a Freudian slip... well, that right there is FUNNY!


It seems to me that before it could be called stockpiling you would have to know how many you have. This leaves me out!

Yeah...I often wonder how much loaded ammo I have. But I sure ain't movin all those heavy cans to count what's in all the heavy cans stacked in the second row behind them. And forget about the third, fourth and fifth rows!

[texaswoodworker]

That's a Cabelas gun library
It probably is. I like the idea of having the wall lined with gun cabinets, and I could build them myself without much trouble. I'd have to find someway to really secure the room though. Maybe a vault door?

[dakotashooter2]

Keep in mind that the news media will ALWAYS use the biggest number they can get their hands on. 20 boxes of ammo doesn't sound like much to the non-shooters but 1000 rnds has a far bigger impact.

What many non-shooters don't understand is that one size does not fit all when it comes to the utility of guns if you are and avid shooter/sportsman. My ex always joke "all you need is a long one and a short one" and I suspect most non-shooters view it the same.

[mj2evans]

Was watching some silly dateline quasi news show. An "investigation" uncovered that an individual had four guns (a known hunter no less). I quote the reporter/narrator "Quite the arsenal."

Everyone in my home burst out laugh .... then we changed the channel.

[bhn22]

A couple of weeks ago I saw a local guy on the news charged with stockpiling weapons. Of course, he did something wrong that got the initial investigation started but my question is what is considered stockpiling? This includes number of firearms and ammo. When does collecting become an issue?

It all depends on who's judging you.

[wv109323]

I wish I would have stockpiled more 1911's , S&W revolvers, Winchester Lever actions, Colt Pythons...Make that any Colt.
Stockpile must be an evil word some news caster created to get your attention. It is like an unregistered gun in an area where no registration is required. Police shot an "unarmed black male"
We have a weather forecaster and he uses buzz words like "patchy black ice" and snizzle(snow and drizzle).

[NavyVet1959]

It probably is. I like the idea of having the wall lined with gun cabinets, and I could build them myself without much trouble. I'd have to find someway to really secure the room though. Maybe a vault door?

Just make sure that the rest of the room (or the ceiling) is not just sheetrock over studs.

At the very least, thick concrete walls with a LOT of rebar, tied into a floor and ceiling made of the same. Building below ground has certain advantages (i.e. they will have to have a bulldozer or backhoe to attempt entry), but then you have to be concerned about humidity and possible flooding.

[NavyVet1959]

Yeah...I often wonder how much loaded ammo I have. But I sure ain't movin all those heavy cans to count what's in all the heavy cans stacked in the second row behind them. And forget about the third, fourth and fifth rows!

At some point, you just quit counting pieces and mark the containers in pounds. I quit counting cast bullets awhile back and just store them in fixed poundage containers. If I need to know approximately how many are in the container, I take the total weight in pounds, multiply it by 7000, and then divide it by the supposed weight of one bullet. It'll be close enough for my use.

[texaswoodworker]

Just make sure that the rest of the room (or the ceiling) is not just sheetrock over studs.

At the very least, thick concrete walls with a LOT of rebar, tied into a floor and ceiling made of the same. Building below ground has certain advantages (i.e. they will have to have a bulldozer or backhoe to attempt entry), but then you have to be concerned about humidity and possible flooding.

I've been thinking about the best ways to do it, and those are basically the ideas I came up with too. I'd like to do it in a basement, but like you said the flooding issue makes me cautious about that.

[NavyVet1959]

I've been thinking about the best ways to do it, and those are basically the ideas I came up with too. I'd like to do it in a basement, but like you said the flooding issue makes me cautious about that.

What part of Texas are you in? Around here, basements can become indoor swimming pools all too easy. I can remember walking along the tunnel system in Houston one evening after work (we were having a heavy thunderstorm) and seeing water squirting out of the walls in little streams along the grout line intersections of a wall that had tile on it. The water had gotten deep enough that I took off my socks & shoes and rolled up my pants to continue my walk to my parking garage. The water never got over about 6" deep, but during Tropical Storm Allison, it got a LOT deeper in there.

Concrete is porous. If there is water on one side of it for long enough, eventually, it is going to make it through the concrete to the other side of it. So, you have to be concerned with humidity while also having a sump pump to get rid of the water that does make it through. Combine that with the fact that foundations shift and crack and you might start wondering not *whether* you need a sump pump, but rather how *big* of one you need. :)

[texaswoodworker]

What part of Texas are you in? Around here, basements can become indoor swimming pools all too easy. I can remember walking along the tunnel system in Houston one evening after work (we were having a heavy thunderstorm) and seeing water squirting out of the walls in little streams along the grout line intersections of a wall that had tile on it. The water had gotten deep enough that I took off my socks & shoes and rolled up my pants to continue my walk to my parking garage. The water never got over about 6" deep, but during Tropical Storm Allison, it got a LOT deeper in there.

Concrete is porous. If there is water on one side of it for long enough, eventually, it is going to make it through the concrete to the other side of it. So, you have to be concerned with humidity while also having a sump pump to get rid of the water that does make it through. Combine that with the fact that foundations shift and crack and you might start wondering not *whether* you need a sump pump, but rather how *big* of one you need. :)

I live in the Northern part of East Texas. I think I'll end up building it above ground. If I build it out of reenforced concrete and put it in the center of the house, I don't see anybody getting in there unless they brought a jackhammer with them.

[NavyVet1959]

I live in the Northern part of East Texas. I think I'll end up building it above ground. If I build it out of reenforced concrete and put it in the center of the house, I don't see anybody getting in there unless they brought a jackhammer with them.

I used to live a bit south of I-20 over in Louisiana a few decades ago. There were water wells on some of the old farms / ranches in the area that were originally dug by hand and were less than 30 ft deep (they used shallow well pumps). As such, building a basement would have been an exercise in waterproofing.

Hide the door to the room plus put it somewhere that someone trying to break in will not be able to get any leverage. There's been a few discussions on this on the forum, so you can review them for some more ideas.

Another option is to hide the gun room and put a decoy safe that the criminals can find. Make them waste their time on trying to open it. :)

[Shooternz]

It's only hoarding if they are all the same firearm, other wise it's a collection:grin:

[frkelly74]

I get a kick out of it when the pictures they flash of the arsenal show all the daisys and crossmans that were discovered. Danger Danger Danger!!!!@ Pictures at 11:00.

[MtGun44]

Hilarious when they freak out at "over a thousand rounds of ammunition".

Two bricks isn't really very much ammo at all, and even in a rifle caliber
it is a modest-sized box. They just can't imagine going to the range and
shooting up 200-300 rounds in a session. A thousand does not last long
around here.

[FISH4BUGS]

A couple of weeks ago I saw a local guy on the news charged with stockpiling weapons. Of course, he did something wrong that got the initial investigation started but my question is what is considered stockpiling? This includes number of firearms and ammo. When does collecting become an issue?
That is a good question. When I hear of someone on the news that the police "....found a stockpile of weapns and 3000 rouds of ammunition" the first thing I think of is why so little ammo?
That reporter should get a letter to the editor from you asking for an explanation of what "stockpiling" means.

[frkelly74]

So , stockpiling is a crime?? And it is up to the Police to determine how much is too much?

[frkelly74]

I am not stockpiling, I am not a hoarder, I am an accumulator, this is my accumulation ( so far).

[BruceB]

The term "ammunition", to the liberal mind, equates to "poison", or "death" , or "mass murder", and other horrific images.....whereas to a thinking person it means things more in the line of "fuel", or "entertainment", or "food-gathering". and similar usages.

Quite a difference.

"THIRTY GALLONS of gas in your car, Mr Reporter? You have THIRTY GALLONS of gas? You could BURN DOWN A SCHOOL with that much gas! You should have to get a PERMIT for more than five gallons of that deadly stuff!"

Even now in my 70s, my place would give the screaming colly-wobbles to liberal reporters.... or to publicity-seeking police chiefs.

Dozens of firearms and multiple thousands of rounds of ammunition, plus the "makings" for many thousands more..... and none of it doing the slightest bit of harm to anyone (not even the bliss-ninny liberals).

Try telling THEM that, though... it just doesn't fit their pre-conceived agendas.

[Idz]

A few years ago the Social Security administration bought up a quarter million rounds of ammo as 'normal supplies' (I guess to suppress those 80 year old rioters). They denied they were stockpiling so I guess most of us aren't either.

[vmathias]

I could see a Hazmat issue with excessive amounts of primers and powders in a residential area but weapons? Horsepucky!

[dragon813gt]

I could see a Hazmat issue with excessive amounts of primers and powders in a residential area but weapons? .

It's not Hazmat. Those are controlled by fire code. That's the biggest danger when it comes to powder and primers. Loaded ammo doesn't pose nearly the danger. Especially if it's stored in ammo cans. Some will breach the can but most will pop in the can. SAAMI has a long video about this where they burn pallets and pallets of ammo.

There was a raid on a Mexican cartel leader's mansion back in 2010. The pictures from that are what I consider the start of a stockpile. Especially the money :)

[Blacksmith]

Maryland limits powder to five pounds per person. Can't even have an 8 pound jug.

[Garyshome]

I'm a libtard so I say 1!

[Petrol & Powder]

From the OP : "A couple of weeks ago I saw a local guy on the news charged with stockpiling weapons. Of course, he did something wrong that got the initial investigation started but my question is what is considered stockpiling? ......"

Getting back to the OP, the story claimed someone was charged with stockpiling.
That doesn't mean there even [I]IS such a crime, it just means someone wrote a story claiming that alleged event . I'd like to see that law(if it even exists) and the facts of the case in question.