rifle powder

[2manyguns]

hello I am looking for some reloading data for the 357 mag/ 38 spc and 44mag using rifle powders such as imr 4064, imr 4350. thx I have seen it in a manuel but I cant recall which one wondering if some one can point me in the right direction

[Motor]

I've never heard of using any of those in those calibers. Did you try to Google it?

Motor

[facetious]

I have used a lot of IMR 4227 in .357's back in the day and load data could have just said " fill case and dump out powder till the boolit fit." With a LEE 160's I couldn't fit a max load in the case and seat the boolit to the crimp groove. With powders that slow I can't see being able to get enough in the case to do any thing. I'm not sure it would build enough pressure to get it to burn.

[groovy mike]

how could anyone believe advice from someone with a user name "facetious" ?

[Nobade]

What he said. RE7 is about the slowest powder that works very well in the 357 mag. Anything else like you mentioned would be a matter of stuffing in as much as you can manage. It won't be very impressive.

-Nobade

[jonas302]

Great place to look for loads http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/
Defiantly not going anywhere with those powders

[2manyguns]

thx for the replys I recall that none of the loads I had seen were very good if not impossible eg; the one with imr4064 was 21 gn under a 170gn bullet for around 1300 fps , I haven't tried it but I don't think you can get 21 gn of 4064 into a 357 case, my reason for looking at these loads is due to the tough time I am having finding the proper powder . I do have lots of different rifle powders so I thought what the heck. but now I cant locate the source where I had seen them in print. also I am using these loads for bopping gophers and in my 357 mag rifle I use 4gn of 231win with a 158 rnbb bullet not very fast but at 60 yds it punches 1 little hole in the paper

[3leggedturtle]

The old IMR pamphlets had that data. Have one from '94 that shows 4198 was used in 357. Velocity wasn't very impressive tho.

[2manyguns]

The old IMR pamphlets had that data. Have one from '94 that shows 4198 was used in 357. Velocity wasn't very impressive tho.

that good news I was starting to think I was loseing my marbles I wil see if I can find that info thx for your help

[bhn22]

Look for pre-1995 IMR/Dupont "Handloaders Guide". The reason for pre-95 is that I have the 1995 guide, and the information isn't in there. Castpics copies all seem to be newer than mine, but you could try there anyway. I remember IMR4198 & IMR4895 listed for 44 mag, but nothing slower than that. Velocities were abysmal. I understand what you're after by doing this, and wish you luck with your project.

[2manyguns]

thanks I will try google and if that doesn't work I will contact hodgdon s thanks for all the help guys

[Nobade]

Real black powder or even subs like T7 work a whole lot better than rifle powder and are almost always available.

-Nobade

[Ole]

I remember using 4064 in my 44 mag Redhawk when I was about 30 years dumber. I seem to remember seeing the bullets rolling along the ground about 30 yards in front of the gun. I was lucky I didn't stick a bullet in my barrel.

[birddog]

Don't waste your time with those powders. You'll find some pistol powder soon enough.
Charlie

[wrench man]

About a year ago there was a fellow talking about the info he had found for 4064 in the 44Mag, he was also advised that it wasn't worthwhile?, but he went ahead with it, he reported back that there was MUCH unburnt powder left in the barrel, cylinder and shells.

[dogmower]

2nd that, wrench man. a long time ago, when I was young and stupid(er), I tried using 50bmg military powder ($2/pound) in an M1Garand. basically just scooped the case full and seated the bullet, even used magnum rifle primers. more unburned powder than burned, and made a horrible mess. basically had to detail strip the rifle to clean out all of the unburned powder pellets.

[sargenv]

I think that's why those who use the BMG powder in cases like the 30-06 and larger things like 45-70 and the like generally put a kicker charge of something like Red Dot on the primer, then fill the case full with the Super slow powder and then seat a heavy lead bullet on top making a compressed charge so that the kicker powder does not move.. It's sort of for people with lots of knowledge and a rifle with a strong action.. it's tempting to try since even these days 8# goes for something like $40/can... 48# can be had for $240 + shipping (GI brass usually pays hazmat on full cases). Something I've thought of doing for a long time.. but just never had the actual need...

[Rhou45]

hello I am looking for some reloading data for the 357 mag/ 38 spc and 44mag using rifle powders such as imr 4064, imr 4350. thx I have seen it in a manuel but I cant recall which one wondering if some one can point me in the right direction

As others have suggested, look around a little more for pistol powder, or use black powder. In this same subject index, there is a thread on the Expansion Industries and their ETR-7 powder. Myself and others have recently ordered ETR-7 and have begun working with it. That is one of several powders available online.

Have you looked for shotgun powders? They work better as an alternative to dedicated pistol powders.

Rifle powders were not designed for your pistols and do not serve as good substitutes.

[runfiverun]

rifle powders just burn slower.
in stuff like the super mag cases they do their best with AA-1680 which is slower than 4227 and H-110.
taking that one more step down the line I have used AA-2230 successfully in them and in other cases such as the 25-20.

the data your looking for is using imr-4895 in the 44 mag it does work [eh-shrug]
but if you stick with the fast end of the rifle powder spectrum you can achieve reasonable results in several of the revolver cases.
I'd look at stuff like rl-7, benchmark, H-322, aa-2230, and 4198.
use 100% load density [or 4227 type data to get started with] don't just go squishing everything tight in the case thinking more is better and use an energetic primer.