Dutch Beaumont Vitali

[timotab]

I picked up this rifle the other day and am gearing up to load it. Looking at using either the Lee 457-340 or 457-405. I'm leaning towards the 340 because it could double for a heavy 45 Colt mold. planning on forming brass from 50-90 using 8mm Lebel to form the shoulder and 45 Colt on the neck.

The rear sight is different than other Beaumont's I've seen. The sight flips up for ranges over 600 yards, under that it slides up a ramp and is clamped in place with a knurled nut.

[pworley1]

That was the way I loaded mine until I finally broke down and had CH make me a set of dies. Money well spent if you intend to shoot much.

[TreeKiller]

/\ + 1 that is what i did CH had then in stock

[timotab]

Were the CH dies $165? Hard to justify since I got the rifle for less, then again I've seen these rifles sell for more than $300. I just don't want to be upside down.

[timotab]

Were you forming brass from 50-90 using the CH dies?

[bouncer50]

i have one too it a carbine. According to cartridges of the world. The 11mm Egyptian Remington cartridge will chamber in beaumont rifles and early catalogs list it as being for these. Has anyone try this

[TreeKiller]

Were the CH dies $165? Hard to justify since I got the rifle for less, then again I've seen these rifles sell for more than $300. I just don't want to be upside down.
no they are about 195.00 with shipping. Can't justify it either so I just bought it.

[timotab]

no they are about 195.00 with shipping. Can't justify it either so I just bought it.

Haha, I hear ya.

[timotab]

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[TreeKiller]

I think that the screw on the bolt handle is loose, mine sets flush.

[jrap]

Iraqveteran8888 on YouTube has a video showing how to load for it

[timotab]

Thanks to a care package from TreeKiller I got some cartridges loaded and was able to test fire. I used Hogdons trapdoor 45-70 load data for H4895 and a 385gr. boolit. Plan on working up loads for Lee 340 and 405 boolits.

[bouncer50]

I think that the screw on the bolt handle is loose, mine sets flush. My screw on mine looks just like the picture.

[Wayne Smith]

Strange, a friend just e-mailed me pics of one he saw in a local antique store. Said he couldn't identify it.

[timotab]

My screw on mine looks just like the picture.

I tightened it down and it's now flush. Took considerable effort.

[Wayne Smith]

What brass are you guys using to load it?

[bouncer50]

What brass are you guys using to load it? 50-90 I have some made from 50-70 but it too short they were the only brass i could find at the time

[perotter]

What brass are you guys using to load it?

I use 45/70. I put a short piece of brass tubing over the case to center it in the chamber when I fire-form it.

[bouncer50]

I use 45/70. I put a short piece of brass tubing over the case to center it in the chamber when I fire-form it. That a good idea never thought of that. Is the rim about the same size too.

[perotter]

That a good idea never thought of that. Is the rim about the same size too.

It's a little smaller, but close enough to work.

FWIW: The tubing I use is a standard size that you'll find in the hardware store or hobby shop. As someone had given me the 45/70 brass, I spent less than $2.00 to make up about 100 cases. I just neck size so I didn't even need to buy dies. It ended up being the cheapest setup for any round I've ever reloaded.

[madsenshooter]

That's a model 1896 US Krag rifle rear sight! Too bad it wasn't a carbine sight, you could have bought several more rifles with the money they go for.

[bouncer50]

It's a little smaller, but close enough to work.

FWIW: The tubing I use is a standard size that you'll find in the hardware store or hobby shop. As someone had given me the 45/70 brass, I spent less than $2.00 to make up about 100 cases. I just neck size so I didn't even need to buy dies. It ended up being the cheapest setup for any round I've ever reloaded. You said brass tubing not copper tubing. Could you please give us more details in how long you made the sleeve and how well it fire form together and other details please I think a few of us would like to know because 45-70 is common brass 50-90 is not and the saving in cost. I have two 45-70 and a lot of brass.

[Wayne Smith]

I'm not protter but this is a technique covered in Connelly et al. The tubing needs to fit relatively tightly over the base of the case and should be about 1/2" long. It should be thick enough to fill the chamber of the rifle. The idea is that it centers the smaller case in the chamber and then the rest of the case expands around the tubing to fill the chamber when it is fireformed. This locks the tubing in place.

[webradbury]

+1 on the krag sight

[mazo kid]

Nice looking shooter! I don't think the stock is original though. It appears to be cut-down, pistol grip, cheek rest. However, it is still a desirable gun!

[perotter]

You said brass tubing not copper tubing. Could you please give us more details in how long you made the sleeve and how well it fire form together and other details please I think a few of us would like to know because 45-70 is common brass 50-90 is not and the saving in cost. I have two 45-70 and a lot of brass.

Just as Wayne Smith says, except for the length. I use a 3/8 inch long piece. Nothing real special about the doing it. I just went to hardware store and got standard tubing that would fit over the 45/70 brass.

It's been 10 years since I've made any and as I don't shoot it often I'm still use that batch of brass. I don't remember(if I ever knew) if its 1/2 or 17/32 x .014 tubing. Off hand I don't know if this type of tubing is sold by OD or ID.

The brass tubing is of this type:
http://ksmetals.com/26.html

[mazo kid]

I successfully formed and fire-formed three 50-90 brass cases. I measured the ID of the neck and they are all over .460". I loaded some 340 grain Lee boolits, as cast. Now I'm wondering what the best die would be for crimping? How about a seater stem in a wide mouth die? I might end up making a die to do that job if I can't find something. Here are the three 50-90 fire-formed cases along with three made from 45-70.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Dutch%20Beaumont%20015_zpst3wqrrcl.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Dutch%20Beaumont%20015_zpst3wqrrcl.jpg.html)

[bouncer50]

Bottom far left 45-70 does that one have a sleeve on it. The 45-70 looks like they got blown out fairly good.

[mazo kid]

Actually, that case has the cut-off base of a crumpled 50-90. I turned the rim off the 45-70, drilled out the the base to full diameter, and pressed it into the base of the 50-90 and soft soldered it in place. The other 45-70s I wrapped narrow layers of furnace tape to build the base up to keep it centered in the chamber. After fire-forming, I removed the tape. I need more 50-90 cases as those will extract.