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30Carbine
02-20-2015, 02:14 PM
Ok just like the title say's I had about 200 of these ingots show up in front of the shop door with a note that said hope you can use these.
they say POWER nickel-genuine. they each weigh 8# each. I sent one up to the South Dakota school of mines and technology Wednesday to get it analyzed.
the result show some interesting stuff. one thing that it showed there is no nickel in them?
this is what it showed.
SN=89.65%
CU=3%
SB=7%
PB=.35%
other than the copper in them which is not much what would you guys do with them?. I have no idea who even left them and no it was not any of you guys.
looking for options to there use maybe sweeting agents?

blaser.306
02-20-2015, 02:26 PM
I would get myself a shotgun slug mould, cast it all up into 1 oz pills and just use to help with fill out being it is almost 90% tin. I also have a fair amount of this sitting here in my basement, and the only thing I did notice with it is when added to a pot-full of alloy. You may have to increase your melt temp 25-50 * the copper in it seems to make it a little "stringy" from the spout. Other than that it helps to make purty boolits!

Smoke4320
02-20-2015, 02:41 PM
It should notice a slight gold or blue color running thru it .. That's the copper ...
I use nearly the exact Hi Speed Babbit for tin in my rifle bullets .. 2 % of this with 50/50 or all WW makes a great easy pouring bullet

PS I would love to get about 16 LBs of it (purchase of course)

cainttype
02-20-2015, 03:07 PM
1600 lbs of high-speed babbit... Santa Claus may be late, but he obviously LOVES you!
It is an excellent "sweetener", and pretty desirable trade material on a site like this. :)

dilly
02-20-2015, 03:32 PM
That's worth thousands of dollars isn't it?

Must have a good friend somewhere.

It's worth a lot of money so if you have more of that than you need, trade some of it for a significantly greater quantity of lead. That way you don't wind up putting gold into the berms.

30Carbine
02-20-2015, 10:25 PM
The school gets about half of it for projects they want to do. good karma. they said they can get the copper out if I want them to. just got back from there about 5 minutes ago. might have them do that, smoke4320 i'll get back to you on that, i'll let one go for sure and I trade not that I don't like money I just don't need any right now. shoot me a pm.

William Yanda
02-20-2015, 11:25 PM
All the contortions some of you gentlemen documented putting Cu in and he says he's going to take it out.
Bang head on concrete.

30Carbine
02-20-2015, 11:41 PM
No I said that they can take it out if I wanted I have no idea yet I am going to mess with it and see first. yea William yanda a lot of ppl are trying to put a little in and they asked if I wanted it out, I run all my alloy through there lab so I am going to make up a batch and have them run it and see how it goes.

ballistim
02-21-2015, 12:41 AM
they're worthless, send them my way ;-)

zuke
02-22-2015, 10:20 AM
I picked up a LEE round ball 12 cavity mold for that reason. Now I can put in 3-4-5 ball's to sweeten any pot. I was given a bucket from a rad shop that's 70/30 solder

BattleRife
02-22-2015, 11:20 AM
The chemistry looks like Grade 2 Babbitt (ASTM B23 Grade 2). I stumbled into some of this in wire form a year ago and it's currently my principal source of tin. I don't use much tin in the melt so the bit I have should last a good while. If the copper in it has any negative effect I've never noticed.

RogerDat
02-22-2015, 11:44 AM
Copper makes the bullet "tougher" as opposed to harder. I hope you will decide to sell some of this as it is highly desirable alloy. Used as "tin" it will not reduce the Sb percentage since it has plenty, it will add a touch of copper which yields a slightly tougher bullet. Certainly worth a price comparable with pewter (+90% tin) which tends to be around $10 a lb. I'm guessing you could sell those 8# ingots for $70 each without much problem at all. Or in that price range generally. Ask around send some PM's to get a good idea of price then share your good fortune and make a profit.

Consider a rifle bullet at high velocity, needs to be harder to handle the velocity but too hard and it will break on impact providing no penetration. Copper would help hold that lead together allowing you to go a bit harder and still have good results.

Hollow points need to be soft to expand but too much plain soft lead and the hollow point just fragments rather than mushrooms. Copper can help with that too.

bangerjim
02-22-2015, 02:12 PM
Download the free alloy calc spreadsheet on here, put those % in one of the custom spots at the bottome, and use it as pretty much Sn, but the calc will tell you exactly what you get when adding to pure, WW's, range, etc.

Good source of Sn. Cu is nice for toughness!

banger

rockrat
02-22-2015, 04:15 PM
If you decide to sell some, keep me in mind!

zuke
02-22-2015, 10:37 PM
I picked up 30, 4lb bar's of this stuff at a scrap yard for scrap lead price's.



http://www.rotometals.com/product-p/alloy_rotonickel_babbitt.htm

Budzilla 19
03-05-2015, 01:28 PM
Man shows up on front porch of my house, says "you cast lead bullets, right"? So, with an affirmative answer, he unloads 50+ lbs of Grade 11 Babbitt alloy. (XRF verified Thanks Bangerjim for the help in identification process.) How much I owe ya? "Just let me know when you need some more!"Well, OK THEN!!! (ya don't ever know sometimes)

RogerDat
03-05-2015, 08:46 PM
I think this thread needs to be retitled "Lucky Stiffs I'm Going to be Jealous of for MONTHS".