Whats with the "banning" of long time members?

[Dschuttig]

I can't help but notice that many long time and heavily contributing members here keep getting "banned"... I belong to a lot of different forums, and occasionally there might be a troublemaker or corrective action needed, but this place seems to be constant, What is going on? It's getting a little irritating.

[WILCO]

I think those are looked upon as "Vacations".

[btroj]

What's up with long time members earning a ban?

[geargnasher]

I think those are looked upon as "Vacations".

Not all of them.

Gear

[texaswoodworker]

It's been my experience that some members think that large post count gives them some kind of tenure, and they get too big for their britches. I've also seen a forum turn bad and ban numerous long time members for simply speaking their mind in a civilized way while protecting the trolls that attacked these members. (don't think that's what's happening here)

[Piedmont]

If someone gets banned on here they have richly deserved it.

[Dschuttig]

I don't know what heinous crimes were committed, and maybe they were, but just musing that I just don't see people getting banned elsewhere like they do here.

[Catshooter]

If you're not naming names then the generality of "many" is meaningless. No one can answer your question without knowing who you're thinking of.

If you really want to know then PM a mod. Don't post some question that can't be answered.

From my experience here (since 05, my my) if you get banned, you earned it. You have had to work for it.


Cat

[jcwit]

They even put up with me, and that's saying something!!!!

[Bad Water Bill]

You must work hard to get "BANNED" here.

Heck they ain't banned me n Girty after all of these years and miles traveled to kick some sense into sum1.:bigsmyl2:

[jaystuw]

I don't know what heinous crimes were committed, and maybe they were, but just musing that I just don't see people getting banned elsewhere like they do here.

Dschuttig, A number of us on cast boolits are internet gladiators. We enter the arena of the threads armed with our skill of the written word. That skill is used as a sword and shield to challenge and perhaps vanquish our rivals . victory brings a measure of notoriety, the quick and clever are our champions. however, it is an endeavor that is not without risk. A misstep, a poor choice of words, or any number of variables can cost a would be contender the favor of the crowd and incur the wrath of our leaders. A thumbs up, we enter the arena another day. a thumbs down, its the internet death penalty- banned! Jay

[Bazoo]

It's been my experience that some members think that large post count gives them some kind of tenure, and they get too big for their britches. I've also seen a forum turn bad and ban numerous long time members for simply speaking their mind in a civilized way while protecting the trolls that attacked these members. (don't think that's what's happening here)
I was banned from another forum in just such a manner. I may give my opinion now, But i dont engage in argument anymore.

[Cmm_3940]

Cantankerous bunch here. Very independent and outspoken. Wouldn't want to be a mod. Must be like herding cats.

[dragon813gt]

Bans are hard earned. They aren't given out for no reason. I wouldn't have started a thread like this. It you aren't banned then it's none of your business as to why it happened.

[osteodoc08]

If you're banned from here, you've earned it with plenty of warnings along the way.

[osteodoc08]

Sometimes you want to know what rule was broken, so you don't make the same mistake.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?264568-Infraction-system

[leftiye]

It's been my experience that some members think that large post count gives them some kind of tenure, and they get too big for their britches. I've also seen a forum turn bad and ban numerous long time members for simply speaking their mind in a civilized way while protecting the trolls that attacked these members. (don't think that's what's happening here)

It could be.

[Hickory]

Dschuttig, A number of us on cast boolits are internet gladiators. We enter the arena of the threads armed with our skill of the written word. That skill is used as a sword and shield to challenge and perhaps vanquish our rivals . victory brings a measure of notoriety, the quick and clever are our champions. however, it is an endeavor that is not without risk. A misstep, a poor choice of words, or any number of variables can cost a would be contender the favor of the crowd and incur the wrath of our leaders. A thumbs up, we enter the arena another day. a thumbs down, its the internet death penalty- banned! Jay

Jay, as much as disagree with you at times, I hope you never get banned for speaking your mine.
At least you are civil and can type a coherent sentence without producing spittle all over the page as some have.

[Lloyd Smale]

I think some of might be that this was kind of good old boys club. Some of us here have been here right from the start and actually considered the owner a friend. With the new management that's probably out the door. Its his forum now and I guess he has the right to run it any way he likes. What some (yes me too) tend to forget is you actually have no rights on one of these forums. The owner owns it lock stock and barrel and its usually a money making proposition. That said they want sponsors. Most sponsors don't want conflict. Im sure the new owner could care less if someone has posted on here for 10 years or for 10 days. Even I was wrote up once already. Yes id did something wrong but in my defense I did make an effort to clear it before I did it. Should I then of not done it? Yup but extenuating circumstances forced my hand so I did and then got wrote up for it. Would it have happened under the old management? Nope. But this isn't the old management. I like this place and have many friends here and would like to stay. So I guess I have to adjust my way of doing things here to get along

[William Yanda]

Please, PLEASE-tell me your not trolling.
duckin' and runnin'

[Artful]

Dschuttig, A number of us on cast boolits are internet gladiators. We enter the arena of the threads armed with our skill of the written word. That skill is used as a sword and shield to challenge and perhaps vanquish our rivals . victory brings a measure of notoriety, the quick and clever are our champions. however, it is an endeavor that is not without risk. A misstep, a poor choice of words, or any number of variables can cost a would be contender the favor of the crowd and incur the wrath of our leaders. A thumbs up, we enter the arena another day. a thumbs down, its the internet death penalty- banned! Jay

Very well stated - :goodpost:

[RogerDat]

......
At least you are civil and can type a coherent sentence without producing spittle all over the page as some have.

That is too funny, and just a bit too true. I would certainly think that spittle all over the pages warrants some sort of infraction.
A good dinner guest knows when to drop a subject after making their point, and has the maturity to do so. No one wants to sit around the table listening to a couple of people argue back and forth over the same point repeatedly. That sort of thing sort of stifles everyone else's conversation.

Sometimes in the heat of the moment people let their passion on a subject get the best of their good judgment. As far as I know the moderators handle this as a private matter between the involved parties. Seems the more respectful approach than making it a public matter. If it is a "time out" for a period it may be inconvenient but certainly not fatal and it does clarify for that person where the boundaries lie for future reference. I may not always agree with my hosts decision of taking someone's keys (or mine) and calling a taxi but I do have to respect it since they have the responsibility.

[white eagle]

so what is a troll if I may ask

[dtknowles]

so what is a troll if I may ask

This is from Wikipedia "In Internet slang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang), a troll (/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)r (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)oʊ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)l (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English), / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)r (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɒ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)l (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extraneous#Adjective), or off-topic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-topic) messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup), forum, chat room (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_room), or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion) response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

A person posting a question that is easily answered by doing minimal research themselves is not a troll but still is using poor etiquette

Tim

[Deadpool]

so what is a troll if I may ask

It's becoming typical of a troll to accuse someone of being a troll to discredit them, deliberately provoking a response and disrupting the thread. Usually any such talk gets people banned or threads locked, which suits the purpose of thread disruption.. However, a moderator would need to recognize the attempt and remove their offending posts without allowing the disruption to occur instead of slamming everyone involved. It's hard not to get involved, because it's viewed as acceptance when one does not try to refute the argument. A lack of response is often worse than a defense, while it's also a political strategy to cause an opponent to defend against ridiculous accusations just for the sake of forcing the acknowledgement.

"I'm not going to dignify that with a response." -- This is how you defend against trolls, and then you can ignore them completely, even when they retort with, "duh, that was a response."

[white eagle]

thanks for the definition

[Bad Water Bill]

I can't help but notice that many long time and heavily contributing members here keep getting "banned"... I belong to a lot of different forums, and occasionally there might be a troublemaker or corrective action needed, but this place seems to be constant, What is going on? It's getting a little irritating.


So when will we learn about the long list of old timers that have suddenly been BANNED?

So far I can only remember 2 that vanished and many here were very upset when the actions of one were exposed.

[dragon813gt]

It's not a long list. There have been temporary bans over the past few weeks. Most of them are back to posting.

This isn't a family table. It's a moderated internet site that I can only assume generates money. The moderators don't owe anyone an explanation as to why members were banned.

The rules are very simple and easy to follow. If someone is banned it's safe to assume that they violated one of the rules many many times and eventually they were banned.

[sparky45]

You apparently aren't a member over on THR.



I don't know what heinous crimes were committed, and maybe they were, but just musing that I just don't see people getting banned elsewhere like they do here.

[jmort]

"You apparently aren't a member over on THR."

Funny. Still a member there but I should un-invite myself.

Or TFL where I did un-invite my self.

You have been banned for the following reason:
As you wish.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

[jcwit]

"You apparently aren't a member over on THR."




Been a member there since Oct. 2007, I see no problem there.

They do lock threads that are not in the forums interest.

[dragon813gt]

You apparently aren't a member over on THR.

I'm a member there but don't post as much as I used to. They have a narrative and if you don't stick to it then don't bother. But there are lots of knowledgable members when it comes to legal issues. And if you want to know anything about gun safes one member is really knowledgeable. But it's also his business. Like any forum it has quirks. I think they're to heavy handed but I don't own the site.

[BruceB]

I think they're too heavy handed but I don't own the site.


Agreed.

That site is the poster-child for heavy-handed moderation.

Just go to the "General Gun Discussion" forum and scan down the list of threads..... while looking at the MANY little 'padlock" icons which indicate closed-and-locked threads. I repeat: "MANY".

I've been a member there since 2004, but have never thought it to be a "comfortable" place to be.... UNLIKE THIS ONE.

We are very fortunate to have this site and its generally-civilized membership. The calm and polite discourse is a direct result of the efforts of No.1, who is the site owner, and his staff of Moderators. All a member has to do is BEHAVE.

Discussions can be very wide-ranging, and topics are practically unlimited. Thread drift is common, and is not ruthlessly expunged (like it is on THR).

I, for one, greatly appreciate this level of FREEDOM. Again, all we have to do is BEHAVE.... which means controlling our input to the extent that, as said above, our Mothers would be comfortable with the posts. (My own Mom used to say, "If you can't say something nice......") Remember that saying?

On other occasions, I've said that the Pit is a negative factor on CB. I've not changed that opinion, but it's a simple solution for me... I just don't go there. On the rare times that I encounter Pit discussions (I use the "Today" function a lot) I just shake my head at some of the stuff there....and move on.

To No.1 and the Moderators: keep up the wonderful work. You have achieved the delicate balance between chaos and repression, and the result is the best damned Board on the Internet, as far as *I* am concerned.

[texaswoodworker]

You apparently aren't a member over on THR.

Or FTF...

[theperfessor]

Might I offer a suggestion for consideration by the owner, mods, and members here?

How about having a place on the application form or in the personal settings where a person can leave an email address that would show up in their posts somewhere if they end up getting banned? That way folks could still do business with them or settle up on an ongoing deal or whatever.

I realize that the site has no responsibility to do this, but it would be a courtesy to the members that weren't banned and that had no negative experiences with the banned person to be able to stay in touch with them. Of course it should be a voluntary part of the application.

Does this make sense to anyone beside me?

[theperfessor]

Ah, I learn more and more about how the forum software works. Does this work on banned members too? I'll try to find a banned member and see.

[Duckiller]

One thing that bothers me is the claim that members have no input to how the board is run. The owner has the right to set the rules, but the only way the forum is successful is if people participate. Get too high handed with infractions, bans and other arbitrary rule and we will have the late lamented forum. The needs and wants of all members of the forum must be at least considered or we won't have a forum.

[Bored1]

Yep, it works with banned members too. This topic seems to be coming up a lot more often lately. I don't think that the amount of bans or vacations has increased in the last year, seems we are just noticing it more now. Another variable to this is that suspensions or "vacations" show as "Banned" too. So not all of the "banned" members have actually been banned.I suggest all tread carefully on the subject and mods. They run the site and we are all guests at their leisure, despite if you agree or not. Keep that in mind!!! Or don't, they'll remind Ya if you forget!

[runfiverun]

Duck killer we do listen.
The last 3-4 new areas created here were directly related to membership requests.

[fishhawk]

Gents let me say this. I feel the reason for a persons ban is and should be between the mods and the member the same as a confessional to a priest or with your DR. I believe there is a perceived confidentiality between those involved. All I will say more is that the bans happen due to a repeated breach of the terms of service and very very a one time occurrence and lets move on. steve k

[376Steyr]

:popcorn:

[Der Gebirgsjager]

My $0.02 worth. I find it sad that some use a forum as a place to exchange barbs or sharpen wits, unless the forum is designated for such use, as a couple are on this site. I think the majority of visitors and users are here to acquire or exchange technical information, but if an exchange of vitriol is what you're into, then use the location where it is acceptable. If someone has a legitimate question about a casting problem, load for a cartridge or type of firearm I think they should be able to get it without a snide remark. Not everyone is an expert, and questions that seem silly to those who are should nevertheless be answered courteously. You don't have to answer at all if you find it beneath your state of ego to do so. Save the character assassinations for designated areas. Probably best not to say anything on a forum you wouldn't say to a person's face.

[.30-06 fan]

:popcorn:

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[btroj]

I am far more concerned with very knowledgable people who stop posting for a variety of reasons.
I can think of a couple in particular who no longer post here and we are at a loss for it.

[Bad Water Bill]

I hope that GOODSTEEL returns soon.

I miss his conversations and photos of his work.

[jmort]

he has been posting he is back

[gew98]

I could care less either way. I will say that some mods have a too thin skin for language violations and definitions thereof , but that's their call. I used to argue here alot with a certain armchair commando , but since I put the bugger on ignore I don't have to deal with that wiki monsterand life is better.

[oneokie]

Enough. This thread is now closed.