7.62×39 CZ Carbine

[Four Fingers of Death]

Got one coming. What boolits work in these? I will get the Lee moulds for plinking, but would prefer a flat nose for hinting.

[GhostHawk]

I suspect you will find that slugs smaller than the SKS or AK's. So most likely in the .308-.309 range.

I've been quite happy with my lee .312 155 and 185 gr gas check designs. My SKS in particular seems to like them big, set long in the case. As long as they fit in the mag.

I did recently get a new 7.62x39 barrel for my Handi Rifle. It is smaller, and I am looking at going a bit smaller and lighter for it.
Keep the speed up, less POI change switching ammo.

Of course it is a work in progress. :)

[Yodogsandman]

Check out the new Ranch Dog group buy at NOE for a hunting boolit, there's still a day or two to jump on board....

http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,587.0.html?PHPSESSID=qgshmv2lubpiipvjsvsibdr qb4

Be sure to read the discussion thread, also.

[tonyjones]

NOE also has a group buy going on a copy of the Ed Harris design for the 7.62x39. FWIW I intend to buy a CZ 527 7.62x39 Carbine as well and have signed up for both NOE moulds. TJ

[Four Fingers of Death]

Well it arrived rom the distributor on Thursday and I drove the 120miles to pick it up this morning. Great looking rifle with a good feel to it. Off to the range in the morning to run the barrel in with PPU jacketed ammo.

[Nobade]

A good flat nose design for that is the SAECO #305. It looks a #311041 but is .303" on the nose and .313" on the driving bands. The rifles have a very generous throat, and boolits can be seated out quite a ways though they won't fit in the magazine any more like that.

The Lee Ed Harris design works very well for normal shooting - feeds from the mag and is quite accurate. I did find that dropping my AA1680 charge from 22gr. to 17gr and adding filler kept the velocity the same and improved accuracy considerably.

Any more I've been shooting the Accurate 240gr. blackout boolit over 7gr. Blue Dot. It's just barely subsonic and extremely accurate.

-Nobade

[Four Fingers of Death]

Thanks for the head up. The 240Gn boolit must be a bit squeezy.

[DR Owl Creek]

The new Ranch Dog NOE TLC 313-150-RF that Yodog mentioned in Post #4 above looks like it should be a great choice for hunting with your new 7.62x39mm rifle. Ranch Dog (Michael) designed this bullet specifically for the 7.62x39mm cartridge. It seems to be one of his favorites. There's an Active Group Buy going on now for this bullet mould. The Discussion Thread has a lot of really interesting info on this new design, along with some photos of how well it performed for Ranch Dog on some hogs on his ranch. To see the Discussion Thread, go to: http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,585.0.html

The Active Group Buy Thread for the Ranch Dog TLC 313-150-RF has some more photos of Ranch Dog's results hunting hogs with this new bullet, using his Zastava M85 Mini-Mauser, as well as some load data for it too. This bullet is also available in a hollow point version if you want. To see the Active Group Buy Thread, go to: http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=587.0

There is another bullet mould you should take a look at too. That's the new NOE rerun of Ed Harris' 312 160gr FN, that tonyjones referred to in Post #5 above. This is a rerun of the design as Ed Harris originally designed it in 7.62x39mm for NEI, and not as in the Lee design which they changed to make it easier for them to produce with their production methods. In the Discussion Thread for this bullet, Ed Harris has posted a couple of times discussing this, and has given the NOE rerun his "blessing". To see the Discussion Thread for the NOE 312 160gr FN, go to: http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,472.0.html
To sign-up for the Active Group Buy on Ed's design, which is available in both .312" and .314" diameters, go to: http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,617.0.html

Both of these NOE group buys are still open, and anyone joining in will get a 15% discount from the catalog price for signing up. You can't beat that!

Dave

[Hardcast416taylor]

That CZ is going for a bit over $725 at a LGS near me, what is the "Down Under" pricing for it?Robert

[Four Fingers of Death]

The 7.62 x 39 is $AU1230. The 223 and 22Hornet are $AU1495 and the Varmint is $AU1620!

[rollmyown]

How did you go FF? Did you make it to the range?

[Four Fingers of Death]

Yep I made it there but there was no one to run the pistol range so I spent a few hours there and when I finally goy to the rifle range and set up one of the guys who was shooting the Black Powder match set his target up fouling my 50yd target, so I ended up running twenty shots through (cleaning every second shot at 25 yards. The open sights are a bit fine for my eyes so the results were pretty ordinary, but it is nice to shoot and started to loosen up a bit.

[rollmyown]

Nice. Let us know how it prints at 100 with the PP factory ammo.

[Four Fingers of Death]

The range is beside the racetrack here at Mt Panorama so I won't be able to check until Monday. I fitted a scope and have some PPU ammo so will be able give you some feedback.

[Shooter6br]

I use H322 with 160 Lee in my SKS. I need a bolt 7.62x 39mm for accurate testing......Some day.. Nice group

[Shooter6br]

I did try some 200 g .314299 clones(Accurate mold) with 4.5 g Red dot for subsonic. 7.62x39 Rifle Conversions and Project Rifles (http://members.shaw.ca/cronhelm/762Page.html)

[Larry Gibson]

Got one coming. What boolits work in these? I will get the Lee moulds for plinking, but would prefer a flat nose for hinting.

Might look at the 170 gr FN 30-30 bullet and try LvR powder if you can. I've a thread on tests I did for Junior about the heavier cast bullets in my own bolt gun (Mini Mk X Mauser). With my 170 gr cast over 31 gr LvR I get 2076 fps at 32,400 psi (Measured with Oehler M43) and maintain 2 moa accuracy (100 yards) with 10 shot groups out of the 20" barrel of my rifle. It is the "go to" hunting load for my rifle now.

Larry Gibson

[Four Fingers of Death]

That's moving right along for a much heavi r bullet than the factory loads. What is LvR powder?

[Larry Gibson]

Hodgdon LeveRevolution

Larry Gibson

[Four Fingers of Death]

Thanks. I don't know if we can get that here.

[Four Fingers of Death]

It has been raining all weekend and the range is closed due to boggy conditions. Back on the firing line on Wednesday.

[Larry Gibson]

H4895 is my alternative choice with 155 - 180 gr cast if you can't get the LvR, H414 or Win 760.

Larry Gibson

[Four Fingers of Death]

H4895 that is ADI's AR2209, made here and repackaged for Hodgson IIIRC. I will double check that. Thanks

[Mike H]

H4895 that is ADI's AR2209, made here and repackaged for Hodgson IIIRC. I will double check that. Thanks
H4895 is ADI 2206H,ADI 2209 is H4350.
Mike.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Thanks for that I would have checked first. 2209 did sound a tad slow.

[Driver man]

Have you had any results using heavier cast boolits to update

[Four Fingers of Death]

Nope, I ended up getting 'gifted' with a couple of thousand Norinco FMJs and a couple of hundred soft points. Just plinking with them so far. Funny thing is the steel cased FMJ Norincos are more accurate that the PPU soft point commercial ammo.

[Driver man]

Yeah, Ive found the Norinco fmj steel cased ammo with the tip cut off pretty effective and accurate. Ive got a case of them and found them pretty good in my SKS and JW103. Something odd with the 103, not accurate with reloads of any type .

[Four Fingers of Death]

That's weird.

[OuchHot!]

I noticed that my cz527 seems to like the Russian steel jacketed ammo just fine. Given its a .310" bore and most of the us softpoints are .308, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

[gpidaho]

My best load so far in the CZ 762X39 is the Lee CTL312-160-2R powder coated and sized .311 over 15gr. IMR4227. Very nice little carbines. The barrel was as smooth from the factory as any I own. I'm very happy with it. Gp

[OuchHot!]

Thanks for that! It sounds like a good starting point.

[GBCAPT]

I have owned a 527 7.62 for a while and found the MFS jacketed softpoint to outshoot steel cased ammo. I am struggling to find a good cast load. Tried the Lee CTL-160 sized .314 with gator checks - -mediocre at best. Now set to try the same bullet/check sized .311. Also just got a Lee C309-150-FP (which has been reported to a good shooter in this rifle) but have yet to cast any. Will be working with 4227, 2400,Lil-Gun and 5774 powders. I will report if I strike gold with any good combo in this matrix.

[PB234]

A while back a now banned member posted pictures of targets showing one mostly round hole of 5 rounds touching at 100 yards. His response to my PM follows. I have not tried his load and have no idea if it is safe as I have done no research and my 527 7.62 Carbine remains unused. All of the CZ rifles I have tried have been excellent.

Re: C309-150 F in CZ 527 Carbne

With the Lapua brass I didn't have any problems. My normal load is 24gr H322 under that Lee C309-150F sized in the .313" die. I tried .312" and it didn't do as well. I don't crimp, and the boolit is set out to lightly engage the front band. 23-25gr all shot good groups, but I chose 24gr to give me some leeway with temperature change. WLR primers seemed to give me better accuracy than F210s.

My mix would be close to 50/50 wheelweights and soft lead with a few % tin added and water dropped. this makes for a malleable metal that will mushroom, but is not brittle. I'm using homebrew lube ahead of the GC ONLY. Your mileage may vary......my CZ527 has seen no jacketed rounds other than what it was factory test fired with.

The CZ will chamber and shoot longer and heavier boolits. My load is pretty snappy, so I chose to not use heavier boolits. I want to experiment with the NOE 311008 in GC form (125gr).

This is a really neat little rifle. Its size and the size of its cartridge really disguises its capability.