Massive Lee slug and sabot testing.

[Blood Trail]

I'm about to embark on a journey of Lee slugs and sabot reloads. Being a member of the LAST Team (Lee Accuracy Slug Team: something I just made up:), I am on an epic quest to find the perfect load for my shotguns. I'll pass on information as I receive it. I've got a couple hundred Lee 1oz slugs and about 1,000 lbs of pure lead to play with.

I will be using numerous types of hulls, AA's, Nitro's, Cheapies, and new pre primed clear Fiocchi hulls and Cheddite's.

My wads are strictly PT1205 from BPI. The slugs fit perfectly inside.

These are the list of powders I'll be working with:
- Red Dot
-Green Dot
-Blue Dot
-Pro Reach
-Herco
-800x
-Unique
-Longshot
-HS-6
-Clays
-international Clays

I'll be testing at 50 and 100 yards. Hopefully I don't blow up my chrono.

I don't really expect much from the Red and Green Dots. Hoping for magnum velocities from Blue Dot, Pro Reach, and Longshot.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Oh yeah, the test guns are:
1. Mossberg 835 24 inch backfired rifled barrel with 1-4x30 Bushnell glass

2. Mossberg 500 20 inch smoothbore

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[Blood Trail]

As for sabots, I'm reloading 350 grain Hornady XTP and 300 grain FTX .50 cal bullets. The sabots I'm using will be:

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/load14_04_25.htm

And

http://slugsrus.com/store/handload.html

[Blood Trail]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/3e3b4c8569d44a6db3a7a9e8bc8f7199.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/35dd25cdfdc13c96323f60da97e45d14.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/0aa165670855203407ac598a58f5a458.jpg

[duckey]

I have been on a slug quest myself. My powders have been; Green Dot, Unique, and Clays. I too am using the PT1205 wad with the Lee 1oz drive key slug, I have also tried the WAA12 white wad with a 1/8" 20 ga fiber card underneath to raise it up for a proper crimp. Have also used the clear Fiochi primed hulls and the Blue BPI sabot cups with a 370 GN maxi ball, I roll crimped some and also 8 star crimped others. I shot these bench rested from 50 yards to 25 yards with a Mossberg 835 ulti may with a scope. Groupings at 50 yards were horrible!, for the most part. I did have one recipe that grouped at 6", with only one shot on the X. 25 yards testing seemed to produce better results, with a recipe or 2 that was way outa sack. I still have some more to try out when free time is found.

[Hogtamer]

pretty loads but odds are the wad petals are gonna be sheared by the roll crimp. the slug itself needs to open a fold crimp for best results.

[Blood Trail]

How can I get a good crimp on my MEC Jr.?

[Hogtamer]

If its bulgeing open you need a shorter wad column. If it's caving in a taller wad. Either way you'll need a hard card on the inside of the shotcup to prevent the wad from cramming up into the base on firing. The slug (sitting on at least 1 hard card) should be slightly above the wadpetals.

[sschultz]

Blood trail please keep us 3 gunners in mind when doing your testing. 1200 to 1300 fps with good accuracy to 80 yards or so.

[duckey]

The height of the slug in the cup is important, and you can cut the petals down on the wads (waa12) to where the slug starts to dome. The PT12 wads u are using are just the right height fir a 2 3/4" hull. As for crimping a NEW Fiochi hull, good luck! It can be done but I'd reccomend the 6 or 8 Star brass crimp starting tool that BPI makes for the MEC presses, it has nice sharp edges which help form the crimp before final crimp. Those Fiochi hulls are thick and stubborn to crimp without the brass pre crimp tool. I have seen petals come loose from the wad during firing. Check out BPI sabot cups, they are tapered on the ends which helps open a roll crimp when fired.

[longbow]

I know I will be following this thread with interest. Lately I am living vicariously through you guys. I have not managed much shooting for the last few months.

My slug loading experience is mostly with Blue Dot and IMR4756. I found the slower powders to perform better for me for heavy loads anyway.

As for the roll crimp, it may be okay but it would be best to trim the wad petals down the the edge of the slug bearing surface. I am actually quite surprised at how well plastic wads survive when opening roll crimps. I had expected mangled, mutilated wad petals but I have recovered very few wads with any signs of petal damage from opening roll crimps. However, in a few cases where petals ran up past the bearing surface of the slug recovered wads did indicate some crumpling going on.

And what Hogtamer said about nitro card wads under the slug ~ it helps.

Anyway, this should be quite exciting! I am looking forward to the results and hope to be posting some of my own again in the near future.

I hope you aren't recoil sensitive! Have at 'er man!

Longbow

[jmort]

I too will be watching this thread. Thanks

[FullTang]

Hey BT,

Sounds like you're already well on your way, but just wanted make sure you have this info:
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/load14_04_25.htm

Lots of excellent loads there, including this favorite:
LOAD# 140217-5473
HULL: CHEDDITE 12ga. 2.75” (http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Cheddite-12ga-2-3_4-16mm-brass-primed-and-skived-bag_100/productinfo/1391270/)
PRIMER: CH209 (http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Cheddite-209-Primers-1000_box/productinfo/CH209/)
PROPELLANT: HODGDON INTERNATIONAL CLAYS (http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Hodgdon-International-Clays-14-oz/productinfo/0810201/) 26.0 Grains
WAD: PT1205 (http://www.ballisticproducts.com/PT1205-VP05-12ga-7_8oz-Lead-wad-250_bag/productinfo/222PT1205/)
SHOT: 1 oz. LEE key Slug pressed into wad
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point
Result: PSI 9800 FPS 1425

This one worked really well for me, and I see you have International.

More loads here, with the Lightning wad (could probably sub the 1205):
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/load14_06_13.htm

Happy Shootin'

[cpileri]

tagged

[Blood Trail]

The players:

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/8779a4ae1d6cc55293cd82f29c01ba16.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/4808d50857d2c91964445b29a2fac85b.jpg

This is the 300 gr FTX in a slugsrus sabot.

The sabot:

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/b3dfcbfd64da740684e822a654d07d8b.jpg

[Blood Trail]

Here's a 500 gr XTP in a BPI sabot:
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/f63484db26929e1a5c8feb482fe89852.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/84baae4a4494d46135e28364ab3df470.jpg

[Blood Trail]

300 gr XTP:

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/894ec2a0868b4110c35c7a0bec725581.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/26ef5f4a3ae53b53446d9426d379aa1c.jpg

[Blood Trail]

Lee Key slug in a PT1205. Great fit

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/39eb8084c50b783d7b7d0aedbc5ebc1e.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/457102f8d36348a5451d1338a76f8937.jpg

[Blood Trail]

Here's an FTX in a BPI sabot. It's sitting on a gas deal and hard fiber card. These cards allows you to peel off what you don't need.


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http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/e316e7456f4bcf59520f6c6778e426b0.jpg

[Blood Trail]

I got a variety of primers. I was gonna start with Fed 209A. Any thoughts?

[longbow]

To my knowledge the Federal 209A is a "hot" primer. Best use whatever primer is listed with load data. Tom Armbrust published some pressure tested data regarding primers and the effects they can have on pressure:

http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

IIRC it is my Lyman Shotshell Reloading Manual that states that a primer change from what is listed can affect pressure as much as 3000 PSI. That is a bunch if a load is running 10,000+ PSI. In a quick re-read it looks like Tom's results more or less agree with that too.

Longbow

[bikerbeans]

BT,

If you don't have a shield for your chrony the sabots and wads can beat it up even if the projectile misses.

Good luck with project.

BB

[Blood Trail]

BT,

If you don't have a shield for your chrony the sabots and wads can beat it up even if the projectile misses.

Good luck with project.

BB

I got the Chrony Beta with the detectable display for the shooting bench. However, I may attach a piece of wood or something in the front

[bikerbeans]

I have the same chrony and there are a couple of dents in the metal from smokeless muzzleloader sabots. I also use bamboo skewers for the sunshade, bullet cuts the skewer in half without hurting the chrony. If you put a good hit on the metal sunshade rods it can wreck your instrument.

BB

[jmort]

Ajay killed his chronograph and then built a box covering the front.

[Blood Trail]

How far should I place the chrono from the bench? Instructions say 10 feet, but what say ye?

[Blood Trail]

Ok, I got some load data for the blue sabots from BPI. Very interesting to say the least.

I'll be starting out with Longshot and 800X. The dont list data for the 300 grain FTX.

Here's one load for the 350 XTP:
30 grains of 800X in a Fiocchi hull and fiocchi primer, roll crimp, for 2000 fps. That's hauling ***.

Should I reduce this load by 2 grs for the lighter bullet?

[leadhead 500]

I would reduce it and work up slow with the Longshot. Just be careful with Longshot when you get it near max things can get crazy in a hurry, it is very temper mental when loaded at max loads. Are there any 3 inch loads listed or are you going to work with any with the sabots?

[FullTang]

I would actually not reduce the powder charge for the lighter payload; pressure will always go down with the lighter slug, and you might actually need to increase the powder just to break even. However, if you start with the known load for the 350 gr slug, but sub in the 300 gr slug, you can work up from there.

[Blood Trail]

I would reduce it and work up slow with the Longshot. Just be careful with Longshot when you get it near max things can get crazy in a hurry, it is very temper mental when loaded at max loads. Are there any 3 inch loads listed or are you going to work with any with the sabots?

Yes, they list some loads for 3 inch hulls.

I loaded a few last night with a full hard wax wad (not cut), a gas seal (x12x I believe), sabot w/350 grain XTP. The fit was incredible. Air tight. I had to hold my charging rod down in the hull for a minute so all the air can escape.

BPI recommends you glue the gas deal to the base of the sabot for better accuracy in back bored rifled barrels, so that's what I did. I'll take pictures later.

[Blood Trail]

So here's a few I loaded up. Two of them I forgot to add the hard wax was and jacked up my crimp. I wonder if it will affect flight?
Messed up:
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/6c4d826ab464554fc7406876c9d7a5c1.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/175737dc200d06e024064fd3d6eff3fb.jpg

These are the most air tight. Can't wait to see how they shoot.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/ddaa7da18b077659c0eae05236ec8d98.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/1417299d12215841373157417d737f59.jpg

[Blood Trail]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/a8d2001c8d735cbe13cb6641a3d2a9aa.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/cd7e2f8615f7992d1561f61ba254ca67.jpg

On these, the sabots are from slugsrus.com. The sabots are pretty tall.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/d6a71511cdae7fa926a22519510602fd.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/7f42f7f502492c3e9969e0e9683ebaf0.jpg

But I think I found the solution. I added a clear overshot card with a slight roll crimp. What do yall think about the roll? Not much of one, but the slug ain't moving.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/fa669532f1c3fd9f17dbc6b25be47aae.jpg

I forgot to add the hard wax was on this:

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/12/6e44230273263d688d395a3e4ec33ab3.jpg

[abbadon]

I plan to watch this thread close. Being a canadian i have an extremly limited access to powders, the only one i have access to is accurate nitro 100nf. i will be making 1oz slugs and tesring them with this powder. As for hulls i have win AA, as well as a limited supply of activ that i stumbled accross.

[longbow]

I know the feeling and share your pain!

I live in Southeastern B.C. in a small town and until recently we have not had a gun store at all and reloading components all had to be bought elsewhere or shipped in. I have had a very limited range of powders and am currently running out. So far Blue Dot is still my favourite but I have not been able to buy any for the last 3 or 4 years. Even the gun store is having problems getting powder. I haven't checked recently as I have not been shooting for a while.

Hulls you can get from Bismuth Shot Reloading in Alberta. I am sure there are other places but he is a Canadian BPI rep. so has (or can get) a good selection of BPI products.

Longbow

[Apocalypse]

Longbow: Any chance Bismuth Shot Reloading has a web site? Google has failed me, again.

[Hogtamer]

Bloodtrail, are those blue loads some pf AJ's sabots? I'm interested to see how they work for you.

[longbow]

Yes:

http://www.bilozir.net/
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/bpi/retailers/Canada/canada.htm

Changed the name though. Will Bilozir owns/runs the place. When I first bought from him was several years ago and it was known as "Bismuth Shot Reloading". Still uses Bismuth for the e-mail address.

Nice guy and good service in my experience.

Longbow

[Blood Trail]

Bloodtrail, are those blue loads some pf AJ's sabots? I'm interested to see how they work for you.

Not sure if I know what you're talking about. The blue sabots are from BPI

[Blood Trail]

I'm headed to the range tomorrow. I'll test for 50 yard accuracy, velocity, and then move on to 100 yards if 50 looks good. I wanna video it and put it on YouTube.

I'm loading some Lee slugs in PT1205 and PT1213 (?) wads. Not sure if that's the exact part number, but I'll check this evening. It's the 1 oz version of the 1205.
I'll be testing 45 gr of Blue Dot. For the 2nd and 3rd loads, I haven't decided yet.

[Bad Andy]

Blood Trail
Regarding the blue sabot cups from BPI, if yout bullet is to tall in the cup you can file the "tits" down on the inside of each pedal, otherwise there will be to much bulge on the cup making it hard to get into the hull. I use the BPI Skiev tool for this and it works slick. I use a TC maxi Ball (370 gn) in those blue cups. The smaller jacket bullets fin into those sabot cups better as they are shorter.

[Apocalypse]

Merci Longbow.

[Blood Trail]

Ok, I got to the range yesterday but I made a rookie mistake and didn't label over half of my loads tested. I know, I know.... I suck. I also just shoot from 25 yards to check velocity and give me some ideal on loads.
Next, I'll label them with tape. But this is what I got so far:

350 gr XTP
28 grs of 800X
Avg. velocity of 1330 fps using slugsrus.com sabots
No signs of over pressure. I'll work up 30 gr loads for them. Looks promising:


http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/22/fd818f33e744339e8cd7ae560f5ab619.jpg

[Blood Trail]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/22/a16790f678c663c9aa9355922b08e91b.jpg

These here are the blur sabots loaded with 300 gr FTX and 28 grs of 800X. Avg velocity was 1300 fps Jury still out on this one.

[Blood Trail]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/22/493571058f77174cebca9328d30f587c.jpg

This is 300 gr FTX with 25 grains of Longshot. Average velocity was 1000 FPS. I played it too safe on this load. Decent grouping.

[Blood Trail]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/22/c812f3157f42483f691c711916f454b4.jpg

This is a 1 oz Lee slug insaide a PT1205 wad. 45 grs of Blue Dot. Avg velocity of 1350 fps. Not bad.

[Blood Trail]

Here's more Lee slugshttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/22/4b8c7e9d3a365e3b09e9f933833980bf.jpg

[Blood Trail]

This one here was the hottest load velocity wise. 350 gr XTP with 28 grs of 800X. Three shots measured 1899, 1886, and 1657. I used Kemen hulls with Winchester primers. On primer fell out and a little powder spilled. These where 8 star crimped. The only star crimped in the whole test. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/22/caf02195ebf9caa6cd52a79bb1741769.jpg

[Blood Trail]

I learned a little in this testing. First kind of any testing I've done so I'll know what to expect next time. I really didn't have all my ducks in an order, but I sure had fun.

I'll be out again in a few weeks. This time, I'm documenting everything.

[FullTang]

Just wanted to note that the 800X loads with 28 gr and a 350 gr bullet actually developed more velocity (and much more energy) than the lighter 300 gr loads did with the exact same powder charge. The lighter loads would also have much lower pressure, for sure. If you look at Longshot data in lighter loads, you'll see that everything uses over 30 grains, and some much more than 30 grains. You may need a faster powder, since you're only shooting 3/4 oz loads here. Look here for some ideas:
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/load14_04_25.htm

[leadhead 500]

Can you try some 3 inch sabot loads at 50 and 100 yards ?

[cpileri]

interesting. yes please document fully!
cool stuff!

[Blood Trail]

I don't have a lot of 3 in hulls. BPI is sold out. However, the clear Fiocchi hulls are close to 3 in with a clear overshot card and a light crimp roll.

[Blood Trail]

But I will test them at 50 and 100 yards. For my standard, I'm comparing all these hand loads to Remington 3 inch Accutips which out of my fully rifled and scoped slug barrel that shot 3 sabots in one hole at 25 yards, about 1.75 inches at 100 yards, and 5 inches at 200 yards shooting off a loaded Caldwell leadsled. Any reload that will hold 5 inches at 100 yards will be suitable for hunting.

I recovered some hulls that I'll post later tonite. They tell a pretty neat story.

Stay tuned.....

[cpileri]

why are yo looking for anything better than your remington accu-tips?

[Blood Trail]

why are yo looking for anything better than your remington accu-tips?

1. Price
2. Boredom
3. I like tinkering
4. I really want the Lee Slugs to be a legit 100 yard killer

[Blood Trail]

Ok, 99% of the blue sabots recovered looks like they can be used again. Only a few separated from the slug. That leaves me to believe I got room to power up those loads.
300 and 350 grain FTX, XTP
Under 28 grs of 800X

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/457fa15b6c943ffc055fecd93de883fd.jpg

[Blood Trail]

These are the PT1215 wads loaded with Lee slugs. These got chewed up pretty bad.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/964bc1f28dce6646e594faf8f7bab8f9.jpg

[Blood Trail]

These sabot wads are from BPI. I was only able to recover two. These aren't supposed to separate from the bullet.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/603688c49d101b07a3c282ed77aca276.jpg

[Blood Trail]

This one is the only PT1205 hull I could find. I think these are better than the PT1215. However, I did not trim the petals.

[Blood Trail]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/a252a7a989c6d334fc38e59fcfff3a0b.jpg

[leadhead 500]

What all powders is listed for the blue BP sabots and what velocities do they show for them?

[Blood Trail]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/de34931ed64fb5a2eda1bb2f1571af3c.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/352700778e2aadfa61235b677b04a8bb.jpg

Let me know if u can see these

[cpileri]

Those are all legit.
Just might be hard to beat in accuracy. but if you do, you'll have a winner slug combo.
C-


1. Price
2. Boredom
3. I like tinkering
4. I really want the Lee Slugs to be a legit 100 yard killer

[Blood Trail]

If I can get close that would be great. I'm shooting for five inches at 100 yards. I really don't gun hunt that much as I'm a die hard, hardcore bowhunter, but chasing these pigs around the woods with an arrow gets old.

[Blood Trail]

When I do gun hunt, I want these results (or close to it).
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/7e88054ebd70376bb0747d3aadbff81a.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/df4ff1b48b8ab00812a08862a5d941e1.jpg

[Blood Trail]

I just pulled the red plastic tip out of the 300 gr XTP's. I'll fill in the cavity with solder to see how much that will increase the weight

[Blood Trail]

So I've filled the cavities with solder. The weight increased by roughly 10 gr. the lightest weighting 309.11 and the heaviest weighing at 311.56. I'll go back and match them up to almost exact. We have an ice storm here in I hit nothing else to do. Once I load a few, I'll shoot them in some water jugs to look at the expansion.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/24/372abd1a30a235e62d68f05df4576192.jpg

[Blood Trail]

Been awhile since I've posted. Just loaded up three batches of the following using Fiocchi clear hulls and 350 XTP:

6 rds with 30 grs of 800X
6 rds of 33 grs of Longshot
6 rds of 40 grs of Blue Dot

Gonna work up some lee slugs this evening. Hoping to hit the range this weekend.

[wildflilghts]

This one here was the hottest load velocity wise. 350 gr XTP with 28 grs of 800X. Three shots measured 1899, 1886, and 1657. I used Kemen hulls with Winchester primers. On primer fell out and a little powder spilled. These where 8 star crimped. The only star crimped in the whole test. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/22/caf02195ebf9caa6cd52a79bb1741769.jpg

Keman hulls are Rio's. Rio uses a slightly oversized primer which is causing your WIN209 primers to be a loose fit. You can "recondition" the primer pockets with a hammer and a socket extension or use Rio primers.

[Blood Trail]

Ok, just loaded up 12 Keman hulls, Rio primers, and 34 gr of long shot pushing a 1 oz slug.
I loaded 12 to shoot 3 from my rifled barrel at 50 yards and three at 100 yards.

The other 6 is the same shoot sequence but through my smooth bore.

Next 12 will be Herco or Unqiue.

[pacomdiver]

any new data?

[Huntsman]

Anything with the Lee and 800X & Longshot with AA12 wads?
So far you're doing some good work, Thanks

[Blood Trail]

I had a ton of data and even a few loads that I was consistently getting 5 inch groups at 100 yards but I left my data book on the back of my truck and it rained. I'm starting all over.

Loaded a bunch of slugs from what I can remember. I also bought a hammerhead slug mold with the sabots to go with it that I'll test as well. Hoping to get out this weekend. I'm almost tagged out on deer and we're in the two week duck hunting split so I got plenty of time.

[Huntsman]

Any updates since last?
:)

[Blood Trail]

Any updates since last?
:)

I've got some test loads loaded but I'm put those on the back burner to test my 770 gr slugs.

[finstr]

AW man! The suspense is killing me! Did you lose interest in this project?

[Blood Trail]

AW man! The suspense is killing me! Did you lose interest in this project?

I need to get back to it. Was at the range today, but those were testing other slugs.


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[Huntsman]

I just picked up 2lbs of HS-6 to try. I'll see how it compares to the Tightgroup success I had. Lee data shows it go 1500fps. Tightgroup was close to 1300fps

[stripercrazy]

I loaded some aa hulls with 40 grains blue dot and winchester white wad ,1 20g hard card and a lee 1 oz slug hope to shoot tomorrow

[stripercrazy]

40 grains blue dot crimped ok

[Rcmaveric]

I started with 47g Blue dot and think i wrecked some brain cells from the recoil. I clearly missed the target. Let us know how the 40g works. I sm seriously pondering start ing anew at about 32 ish grains.

[longbow]

If you have a light payload don't skimp on Blue Dot. It likes a heavy payload or heavy powder charge.

I found that 36 grs. under a 1 oz. ball left unburned powder in the bore.

I'd look to a faster powder for light payloads rather than downloading Blue Dot.

More recently I tried using Unique under the Lee 7/8 oz. slug and got some bloopers which surprised me but I think the light payload and moderate charge of Unique was the issue. I went to a published load using Green Dot and got good results.

Longbow

[Retumbo]

I just picked up 2lbs of HS-6 to try. I'll see how it compares to the Tightgroup success I had. Lee data shows it go 1500fps. Tightgroup was close to 1300fps

Hs6 is my goto for the 1oz

[stripercrazy]

https://s20.postimg.cc/hten8nfcp/lee40bluedot.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/hten8nfcp/) rem 1100 with a rifled choke tube 25 yards not too much kick

[stripercrazy]

https://s20.postimg.cc/chzqo2bbd/sblee40bd.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/chzqo2bbd/) this is from a rem 870 birdbarrel with a open cylinder carlson choke 25 yards 40 grains blue dot

[Rcmaveric]

That's encouraging results. Thanks for the range report. I am gonna have to try 40g Blue Dot.

[stripercrazy]

the AA hulls kinda crimped ok but they opened a little in time.