22 lr ftf?

[daengmei]

I have a new 22lr pistol and a new 22lr rifle and have had FTF using both on what is new bought ammo. The last used was Winchester but I believe this has happened with other brands on earlier shoots. Is it now common for 22 ammo to have issues or are my firearms in question?

[MarkP]

Carefully pull some bullets on the cartridges that did not fire; look for priming mixture and or powder.

[JSnover]

How many failed?

[daengmei]

One no fire at all, another fired after spinning the round for another hit. Last outing there were several CCI that did not fire. Shooting as a kid I remember never having a FTF. So is it now acceptable to expect FTF? I don't think so.

[paralaska]

I'll usually have a few per brick that FTF. . . sometimes the firing pin strike will be too light or maybe there was no primer in the portion of the rim that the firing pin happened to hit. I just cycle them back thru and try them again . . . if they fail to fire for a second time . . . I just toss them. For something that is mass produced in the millions per day . . . you can expect to have a dud once in a while. . . .

[MUSTANG]

I'll usually have a few per brick that FTF. . . sometimes the firing pin strike will be too light or maybe there was no primer in the portion of the rim that the firing pin happened to hit. I just cycle them back thru and try them again . . . if they fail to fire for a second time . . . I just toss them. For something that is mass produced in the millions per day . . . you can expect to have a dud once in a while. . . .

Primers are also manufactured in the Millions per day and the "Fail to Fire" ratio is extremely low. I suspect that Manufacturers Quality Control (both the 22LR and Firearm Manufacturers) is the issue rather than "Multiple Random event".

[wv109323]

Since the demand is at an all time high, quality is second to production. The .22LR that is meant for plinking is a round where misfires can be tolerated. The worse is that you miss a pop can or maybe small game. Are you really going to raise a stink because 2 out of 50 rounds fail to go off? The manufacturers know that.

[daengmei]

I wasn't tryin to raise a stink. I just wanted to know if FTF's were so common with 22lr. I didn't want to hear send back new firearms. They should not occur at all with new production ammo regardless of high output.

[wlc]

Odd to me that you had a dud with CCI. I've had plenty with bulk pack stuff, Rem, Win and Federal, but never with CCI. Not even CCI Blazer. Maybe I've just been lucky with the CCI that I have.

[aspangler]

White box Winchester 333 is some bad stuff for FTF and FTE. Seems to be worse in semi's.

[daengmei]

White box Winchester 333
Those are the ones I used last.

[Forrest r]

You never said what firearms you're using or more importantly, the temperate when you used them.

The white box 333's are famous for their harder than normal brass. One lot will have soft brass the next lot will be extremely hard.

Chronographs are a rimfire shooters best friend. Every time I get a new/new to me rimfire firearm I take it out with a known lot of ammo and a known firearm that doesn't have any issues and shoot both of them over a chronograph. They both should have the same average and extreme spread. If the new rimfire doesn't average the known performer or has allot of lower #'s it's time to start looking for burrs on the fp, or grease/heavy oil from the factory that doesn't do well in cold weather, weak striker springs, etc.

I used to test/work on all my rimfires in the winter time. The cold weather brings out the worst in them. I'd use vostok ammo to test fp hits. The vostok ammo is known for it's extremely hard brass, it makes the ww 333 brass look like it's been annealed. Anyway I'd reshape the fp, polish everything & replace the striker springs and test them in 20* to 30* weather.

Solid fp hits on extremely hard vostok brass.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/1022fpinhits.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/1022fpinhits.jpg.html)

When everything is right and tight your rimfires should be able to use/shoot any ammo in any weather.

A kimber in 21* weather, was testing a new scope.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/13108skplus.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/13108skplus.jpg.html)

A annie (anschutz) that didn't like the cold/normal torque setting on the hold down bolts. Hence the vertical stringing of the top 2 groups. Backed the torgue off 2#'s on both bolts and the virtical stinging went away.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/20308skplus.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/20308skplus.jpg.html)

A lowly 10-22.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/12808skplus-1.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/12808skplus-1.jpg.html)

A pencil bbl';d cz lux in 26* & 15mph winds.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/12208skplus.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/12208skplus.jpg.html)

The only time I ever get ftf's (which is extremely rare) is with defective ammo. Defective ammo ='s no priming compound.

A picture of eley ammo & aguila eley sport ammo with a cross section cut out showing the priming compound. Aguila rimfire ammo braggs about being eley primed. Ya, right!!!

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/EleyPrimer2_zps501ab46b.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/EleyPrimer2_zps501ab46b.jpg.html)

Anyway looks like you have some testing to do.

[JSnover]

I've been shooting 22rf for over 40 years and I've always had a few ftf per hundred. New guns, old guns, clean guns, dirty guns (especially dirty guns!), none were immune. Some brands of ammo were better than others but none were perfect, though I never tried the high-end, Olympic-quality stuff.
Start with a clean action, some of them are more sensitive to fouling than others.

[Hooker53]

I have in the last year had some newly made Remington Tunderbolts that were FTF. This is the first time I can remember any 22lr that were FtF. This is also in guns that IV had for years and yes they do get cleaned and springs and pins checked ever year or so if it gets shot often. IV always had some CCI Stingers that were FtF but their brass I think is a little thicker then others.

[Forrest r]

I've been shooting 22rf for over 40 years and I've always had a few ftf per hundred.

WOW!!!
That's way to many ftf's. Even at the club level they would get tired of giving you alibies (that would be 1 to 2 alibies per shoot) and ask you to fix your equipment.

I quit buying/using thunderbolts years ago. Used to buy it for plinking/blammo ammo. Every now and then I'd run into a lot that had a bunch of ftf's. Pulled the lead slug off the bullet and dumped the powder to find there was no priming compound in the brass. The last straw with thunderbolts was when I took a couple boxes of it to the range to plink with an old 4-screw k-22. After 2 or 3 cylinders of the thunderbolts I couldn't hit a barn door @ 10 paces. I took a look down the bbl and found it was full of lead.

I used a brass jag with a thick/tight patch and pushed it down the bbl. This is what came out of it.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/tboltlead.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/tboltlead.jpg.html)

I threw the rest of the thunderbolts out and haven't bought any since.