Pig Candy

[pls1911]

This post could go several places, so if it needs moving, Mr. Moderator, knock yourself out.
Not everyone here frequents the Marlin Owners site so I'll repost my comment.

PC Bullets apparently work fine at my 30-30 cast velocities (~1900 fps), though I still harden via heat treat / lube / size.312 / gas check normally.
These make me want to wander through the woods saying:
"Hey little piggy! Wanna piece of candy??"
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[Ehaver]

Nice pictures.

How do they preform on game?

[pls1911]

Same as uncoated.
My alloy is soft as cast... 10-11 BHN and is heat treated to harder than linotype.
Shooting performance is like linotype, but the malleability of the base alloy retains the ability to deform without self destruction of a brittle high antimony alloy. Can't say about the mushroom, as I've always experience complete pass through from any angle and DRT`.
I've never had any lead issues.

[reloader28]

WWOOOWW those are PURDY!!!

[Butler Ford]

Pretty! What's that boolit? Really like that wide meplat!

BF

[clearcut]

Yup candy that flat nose should give some shock transfer,I dropped a nice buck w/ a flat nose out of a 30-06 @ 2460 fps this fall, 2 steps maybe.Pigs love candy ;) .
CC

[TXGunNut]

I thought was a thread about using Jello powder for pig bait. ;-)

[Hickok]

Reminds me of military color coding ammo, red tip for tracer, black tip for AP, and blue tips for hog busters!

[wch]

Same as uncoated.
My alloy is soft as cast... 10-11 BHN and is heat treated to harder than linotype.
Shooting performance is like linotype, but the malleability of the base alloy retains the ability to deform without self destruction of a brittle high antimony alloy. Can't say about the mushroom, as I've always experience complete pass through from any angle and DRT`.
I've never had any lead issues.

What method do you use to heat treat the bullets?

[Screwbolts]

I am not the OP, but to my eye, the Boolitz look to be the RD design, NOE offers both TL and regular greese grove versions, 311-165 FN.

[harley45]

What a great color!

[Jtarm]

Dang, those boolits have better bluing than most of my guns.

How fast do you push 'em?

[Spruce]

Nice looking ammo. A very pretty shade of blue. Should work on any hog.

[SSGOldfart]

What no sour corn,quick question about heat treatment before or after sizing?if afterwards as I would think,doesn't sizing also soften the Boolit

[GoodOlBoy]

Purdy as can be. I actually like them.

GoodOlBoy

[RobS]

As you are PC'ing them, when the boolits come out of the oven are you then water quenching in reference to heat treating?

[pls1911]

I'm a bit belated getting back to this to answer inquiries.
Ranch Dog/NOE 165 , standard grooves, gas checked, what-cha-got alloy, PC'd and heat treated in one step ( an hour at about 425-450), quenched in a 5 gallon cold water bucket, then gas checked. measure in the low to mid 20s bhn.
Have shot as is and BLL dipped, without any difference to well prepped naked bullets, except they're cute.

[blueeyephil]

Have you tried those powder coated without gas checks? Wondering about the accuracy?

[pls1911]

I've not tried 'em without checks... they may work fine, but a check is cheap insurance...
In fact, I still give 'em and quick dip in 45/45/10 or Bill's Rx. It's probably over kill, but it's quick and easy.

[ilikec2]

Lol stylish

[Echale3]

Nice! Just curious, though--what's the as-cast diameter? The reason I ask is that I'm curious as to how flexible powder coating is with regard to cracking during resizing/firing.

I may try that on my new NOE 7mm Thor slugs. I'm thinking I'll take my 7TCU out deer hunting this season.

[pls1911]

Echale3, I have a 7TCU as well, but life got in the way before I finished fire forming brass....
NOE/RD 165 grain slugs should drop around .310.
Powder coating properly applied over clean metal doesn't chip off or break when hammered flat... look through this site for other folk's test-whacking bullets.
At this point I don't even size before I coat anymore... or after.
I seat the gas check dip lube (overkill) load and shoot.
Pigs still drop, I still smile...

[mozeppa]

where did you get that candy apple blue paint?

[Echale3]

Echale3, I have a 7TCU as well, but life got in the way before I finished fire forming brass....

Yeah, that happens, LOL!



NOE/RD 165 grain slugs should drop around .310.
Powder coating properly applied over clean metal doesn't chip off or break when hammered flat... look through this site for other folk's test-whacking bullets.

Thanks for the info. I spent some time after initially posing the question using the search tool to find out more about it. It looks like the PC sticks very well. I figure I might try it out at some point using the tumble method. That said, I think my wife would not be too happy if I took our toaster oven over for powder coating--she uses it quite a bit, LOL! Than again, maybe I can go to Goodwill and find a working one for cheap....

When you water drop after PC, do you just dump them in or do you have to sort of settle the pan they are on evenly in the bucket and keep them from tipping to keep the PC from deforming or sticking together?

Do you see any improvement in ease of bullet production, accuracy, or terminal performance compared to the "normal" method of casting/heat treating/lubing, or is this a case of doing something different *just because*?

[pls1911]

When quenching for hardness, speed is critical.. use welding gloves ( 3 pack from Harbor Freight... keep the other sets for the grill or smoker)
Remove the bullets and dump 'em in the water quickly. Instant hardness is good but it mellows harder after 1-3 days.
I don't recall my source at the moment, but there are several vendors available with a simple google search. I'll get to the barn later and edit the post with information.
There's a member here who is also a powder coat material vendor who is very well thought of by his customers. See the powder coating discussions in the lube and coating threads.

I see little difference in performance or production rate. Other interfering factors are much worse offenders. Either method allows me to crank out a couple of thousand bullets per weekend, then I put my gear away for another year.
Also, you may be better of just going to walley world to buy a toaster over. I bought one big enough for a small cookie sheet, about 16x 24" for $39. It's what I needed and I would have spent more time and money running around trying to buy a questionable goodwill unit.

[Tom_in_AZ]

Pigs love candy. Should help make some bacon

[jcren]

To avoid carrying the bullets to the oven ,spend 45-50 on one of these.149668
Just set the bullets up in the tray and set the convection hood over and set the timer. I just use board "trays" big enough to support the hood and cover with nsf so I can set up another batch while the first cooks.Beets the heck out of picking up tall skinny bullets that dominoe'd!