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26Charlie
09-23-2005, 11:16 PM
Got to the range yesterday, with intention of testing heavy plain-base bullets in the .45-70 target rifle. The rifle is the Wesson & Harrington break-open single shot, 32-inch barrel, made recently by H&R or New England Firearms or whatever they call themselves lately, in Gardener, MA. This actually is a very nice rifle, except it doesn't come with a good sight. I put a Lyman 17A front sight on it, and a machinist friend of mine cut the sight base of the Springfield 1903 ladder sight to fit the barrel, and put three screw holes through it to line up with the existing tapped holes to fasten it down. Works great.

The load is 26 grains of XMP-5744 (Accurate Arms) and a WLR primer, with four different bullets. I was looking for 1100 - 1200 fps, so as not to break out with flinchies for this rather light rifle, but still use the heavy target type bullets.

I loaded 12 each of the following bullets, sized .457, all from Lyman moulds:
457659, 500 gr. pointed bullet
457132, 540 gr. semi-pointed Postell bullet
457676, 550 gr. nose-pour tapered point bullet with small flat point
446187, 480 gr. Round nose bullet which I paper-patched and sized .457 in a Lee push-through die.
All except the paper-patched 446187 had a 1/8" card wad in contact with the base of the bullet.

As an aside, a plastic bag full of 48 heavy-bullet .45-70's is a hefty supply of ammo to tote along.

Results were gratifying. Groups of 5 shots at 100 yards with the iron sights (peep & post) were as follows:
Best - 457658 pointed, 1.7 inches.
Good - 457676 nose-pour, 2.3 inches.
Good - 457132 Postell, 2.9 inches.
OK - 446187 paper-patch, 4.5 inches, but two of those were strung vertically and may have been my fault.

This is the only rifle I have which is suited to these heavy bullets, so it is very pleasing to have it group well with them - I picked it up at a gun show for $200 bucks in new condition, and they are about a thousand bucks less than the Browning highwall BPR or the cheapest Sharps replica. All in all, a good day on the range.

Buckshot
09-24-2005, 06:05 AM
.............Some pretty good shooting if you ask me. Pleanty of shoulder whumpus going on there. Probably similar to my shooting the Whitworth ML'er last Tuesday. 540gr PP's slug over 70grs of Swiss 2Fg. Makes a nice sharp 'Bang' whe it goes off. I imagine it's about 1150-1200 fps based on other shooting. Sounds mild, but the recoil is cumulative :D HA!

..............Buckshot

45 2.1
09-24-2005, 09:41 AM
Try 23.0 gr of SR 4759, cast bullets of soft alloy and don't size them, just lube.

LAH
09-24-2005, 09:42 PM
Good Shooting.

MGySgt
09-26-2005, 06:32 PM
I believe that you have a Buffalo Classic. A friend of mine has one and it shoots Great, with the J word and cast. His one problem is that it has a short throat, just like my Ruger #1.

He has shoot some impressive groups with it. He put a tang (creedmore) sight and globe front.

He took a large cow Elk last season with it.

Very good gun especially for how in-expensive they are!

Drew

26Charlie
09-29-2005, 09:04 AM
It has a 32" barrel, case hardened colors on the receiver, and a blued barrel.

Just when I think I've got things figured out, I find something goes haywire. I took the above-mentioned load with those heavy bullets, 26.0 gr. XMP-5744, and substituted a 455 gr. round-nosed plain-base bullet, Lyman 457126, (sized .457) which I just bought a mould for, off ebay. Should be no problems, right? A no-brainer substitution? Riight. The bullets went sideways, about a 12 -foot "group" at 100 yards. Yet the load shot a decent group in my friend's H&R replica trap-door Springfield carbine.
To see if it was the gun or me, I immediately went back to the 550 gr. 457676 bullet, shooting seven of them into about 2 1/2 inches. Nope, it was the load/gun combo - something is not right. Only thing that appears different is that the 457126 is seated deeper than the other bullets, in order to chamber properly.

4060MAY
09-29-2005, 12:27 PM
as 45 2.1 said, SR4759

4060MAY
09-29-2005, 12:33 PM
I think I figured out the picture thingie.

McLintock
09-29-2005, 04:11 PM
I've had good luck with 5744 and the 45-70, 23 gr with a 405 and 25 with the 500's; and size your bullets a thousandt or two bigger, should eliminate those bad flyers and sideways ones. But, like Buckshot says, try black powder with those heavy bullets and you'll like it. Here's the best I've done so far with my Browning BPCR and a Steve Brooks bullet, sized .460 with homemade lube. The only problem is, the top BPCR shooters beat this by a good margin. I'll probably have to go to a scope to do any better due to aging eyesight.

http://pic7.picturetrail.com/VOL206/1303399/2593806/46279216.jpg

and here's the bullet, a 540 gr Creedmore that drops from the mould at .460.
http://pic7.picturetrail.com/VOL206/1303399/2593806/46275412.jpg