327 Magnum revolvers

[Guesser]

Loading for my new Ruger Single 7; thought to seat the bullet out to the max the cylinder would allow, keep pressures down, you know. Problem; the Ruger cylinder is short, kinda like the Taurus Trackers in 41 and 44. Not a bad thing but does limit hand loading just a bit. My Taurus and Charter Arms cylinders measure 1.58"; the Ruger measures 1.45". That 0.13 would come in handy, but it ain't there to utilize; oh well; I still like the Ruger. The other 2 are favorites, as well.

[chsparkman]

Guesser, what boolits have you loaded for your Single Seven so far?

[Guesser]

The Rainier 100 gr. plated FP and cast GC 311316. A box of AE 85 gr. factory loads.

[contender1]

It's hard to please everybody.
Ruger came out with the Blackhawk in 327 Mag a few years back. It sold ok, but was discontinued. MANY folks complained about the size & weight. The same folks wanted it in the Single-Six sized frame. Well, it's here & now many want to use longer or heavier bullets that won't fit.
I easily solved the problem. I own both!

[FLHTC]

It's hard to please everybody.
Ruger came out with the Blackhawk in 327 Mag a few years back. It sold ok, but was discontinued. MANY folks complained about the size & weight. The same folks wanted it in the Single-Six sized frame. Well, it's here & now many want to use longer or heavier bullets that won't fit.
I easily solved the problem. I own both!

Actually I prefer the extra weight in the Blackhawk and the size doesn't bother me at all. I think too many shied away from the cartridge itself. I like my Buckeye for the same reason, the size. Now I have a 4" SP101 in 32 mag that might get reamed to 327 because that one has the larger frame with the cylinder being 1.580.

I second the 311316. That bullet was just waiting for the 32's to appear.

[rintinglen]

So far I have tried the RCBS 32-98, the LBT 32-100 SWC, the MP-314-100 hp, the 311-316, the 311-008, and the SAECO 321 (IIRC. Except for the SAECO, which might be sized too small, I had 'em on the shelf, already to go so I used them as is, all have worked well, with the RCBS and the 311-008 crimped over the front band to keep the OAL down to acceptable lengths. The leaders so far are the MP and RCBS boolits. I think the 311-316 might also be in the running, but not without gas checks.
I did not care for the BH version. Too much gun for too little boolit. In that frame, there is no sense in having a 327 when the 357 is available. Except for the "unique-I-got-something-you-don't" factor, the 327 does nothing a 357 won't do, except fit in a smaller frame. I sold mine to my brother, who prefers his 32 SSM Bisley to it.

The Single Seven, though, is just about Ideal. I have the 5 1/2 inch barrel and have ordered a 7 1/2 inch gun, despite the problems that I initially had with mine. These make ideal packing guns for most wood stomping in the lower 48. The only thing better that I can imagine would be a S&W K-22 converted to 327 in a 6 inch barrel.

[Guesser]

I really like my Single 7, I am also very fond of the 2" Taurus and the 4" CA. I've been shooting one or another 327 since early 2009. I never took to the BH or GP-100 in 327; guns just too big for the cartridge. I have Colt SAA's in 32 calibers and I feel the same way about them; too big for the cartridge. The Single 7, CA & Taurus 327B2 are really "just right"!!!!

[FlatTop45LC]

I am really looking to add a 327 Single Seven this next year.

[like it all]

I've started looking for a mold for my Single Sevens. The only 32 mold I have is the LEE 90 gr. TLSWC, which casts .314, and I can load as cast for the 32 H&R. Very good light load bullet for the 327 as well. What I'm looking for is a 110+ gr gas check design which would allow the 327 to be useful for medium game(small deer at close range). The Ranier 100 gr. plated have been ok with Unique in the 1000 fps range, but I want something with more KO factor.The 100 gr. XTP's have been breaking 1500 fps in my 5 1/2, but their jackets were designed for self defense loads and I want the penetration of a hard cast gas checked boolit. I was able to get this in my 44 Redhawk with the 310 gr. LEE fp's. I realize I'm probably looking at a custom mold as the mold companies seem to have reduced their offerings . Any suggestions?
I've been a fan of 32 caliber wheelguns since my first SSM in 1985. The 327 is what the H&R should have been in the beginning. My Single sevens are really quite fancy compared to my 1980's era SSMs but shoot almost the same +1.

[Guesser]

I had on hand a 35 year old Lyman 311316 when I started into 327. The mold drops at .313-.314 from 9BHN alloy. I size to .313 and check it and run it hard from my 327 revolvers. It usually turns out at 115 gr. ready to load. Has proven a superb boolit for the 327.

[like it all]

I had on hand a 35 year old Lyman 311316 when I started into 327. The mold drops at .313-.314 from 9BHN alloy. I size to .313 and check it and run it hard from my 327 revolvers. It usually turns out at 115 gr. ready to load. Has proven a superb boolit for the 327.
Is 311316 a gas check design? I want to pump these up to 1200.

[dragon813gt]

My brass arrived from Starline today so I can finally get to loading for it. I have two NOE molds for it so far. One is the 315-115 SWC which drops a 116 grain bullet. The other is a 314-008 and it drops at 124 grains. Just need to lube them up and put some GCs on the heavyweight and load some up. I'm not to concerned about the OAL issues. I have Quickload so backing down a charge to keep pressures in check is no big deal. I will be working up very cautiously if I have to deep seat any of the bullets. I check everyday to see if the 314-316 is in stock. But I'm let down everyday :(

[Guesser]

311316 is/was a GC design; simply put it is 3118 with a GC. I have both and they are within a grain of each other when ready to load.

[rintinglen]

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The 311-008, or at least the one I have, will not function in the Single 7 if crimped in the crimp groove, the 311-316 will. Neither of the two cartridges on the right, a 311-008 and the RCBS 32-98-swc, work if crimped in the crimp groove. Max OAL is 1.50 inches for use in the Single 7, and then you are riding the ragged edge.
The 311-316, the MP 314-640 -100 hp, the LBT 32-100 SWC, the RCBS 32-98 WC, and the SAECO 95 grain RN all work. The 311-316 and the MP mold work very well.

[Guesser]

My 311316 and 3118 don't have crimp grooves.

[Green Frog]

I didn't spring for the Single Seven since I already had the Blackhawk Eight-Shooter and my custom S&W K-frame. I'm beginning to wonder whether I should have. Then again, "You can't have everything, because if you did, where would you put it?" I am looking forward to shooting that 100 gr HP by Mihec... now to get some sized and loaded!

Froggie

[like it all]

I didn't spring for the Single Seven since I already had the Blackhawk Eight-Shooter and my custom S&W K-frame. I'm beginning to wonder whether I should have. Then again, "You can't have everything, because if you did, where would you put it?" I am looking forward to shooting that 100 gr HP by Mihec... now to get some sized and loaded!

Froggie The Blackhawk is an excellent range gun, and hunter, but I find myself carrying the Seven cross draw under my coat when fishing. The 4 5/8 is so light and compact, I'll use it in place of a .22 and a .357. The seven is truly an outdoorsmans revolver, just super handy and capable.

[like it all]

124223
The 311-008, or at least the one I have, will not function in the Single 7 if crimped in the crimp groove, the 311-316 will. Neither of the two cartridges on the right, a 311-008 and the RCBS 32-98-swc, work if crimped in the crimp groove. Max OAL is 1.50 inches for use in the Single 7, and then you are riding the ragged edge.
The 311-316, the MP 314-640 -100 hp, the LBT 32-100 SWC, the RCBS 32-98 WC, and the SAECO 95 grain RN all work. The 311-316 and the MP mold work very well. Where can I find the 311-316 or Mp314-640-100? Are these custom designs?

[dragon813gt]

311-316 is a Lyman design. The 314-640 is a Mihec group buy mold and there are no extras left over. I tired to get one weeks ago when I bought my first Single Seven.

[wdr2]

Just returned from the range testing out Miha's 314-640 115gr HP in my new Single Seven. The bullet is too long if seated in the crimp groove. I loaded mine to 1.495 OAL then crimped over the nose using a Redding Profile crimp die. I was very pleased to get consistent 25yd groups of 1.25 - 1.5in. I shot six 5-shot groups, the largest was 1.5in. This is using a full load of 296, Starline brass, CCI SP primers. Nice gun! And no issues at all with this Ruger, a 7.5in.

[Green Frog]

Just returned from the range testing out Miha's 314-640 115gr HP in my new Single Seven. The bullet is too long if seated in the crimp groove. I loaded mine to 1.495 OAL then crimped over the nose using a Redding Profile crimp die. I was very pleased to get consistent 25yd groups of 1.25 - 1.5in. I shot six 5-shot groups, the largest was 1.5in. This is using a full load of 296, Starline brass, CCI SP primers. Nice gun! And no issues at all with this Ruger, a 7.5in.

wdr2. what does Winchester (or whoever) regard as a "full load" of 296 for the 327 and a 115 gr bullet? For whatever reason, I can't seem to find anything definitive. If you wish, you can just PM me with the load, if you don't want to post it here. TIA!

Froggie

[dougader]

Speer lists their 115 grain Gold Dot with 12.5-13.5 grains of 296, but 12.0-13.0 of H110. They used Federal 205 small rifle primers.

[dtknowles]

None of you guys owns a camera or chronograph? '=)

[prsman23]

124335

Single seven .327 porn.

[rintinglen]

124336I own one, chronograph that is, but the indoor range nearest my house won't let me use it, and it is 61 miles to the outdoor range that will let me.
But I do have a camera.

[prsman23]

124336I own one, chronograph that is, but the indoor range nearest my house won't let me use it, and it is 61 miles to the outdoor range that will let me.
But I do have a camera.

I'll gladly take it off your hands. Seems like such a burden [emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]

[dragon813gt]

It's deer season, all ranges are closed so no chrony testing.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/dragon813gt/Firearms/5F20C6D6-2264-4210-8F9B-5264E9534465.jpg (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/dragon813gt/media/Firearms/5F20C6D6-2264-4210-8F9B-5264E9534465.jpg.html)

[dtknowles]

Thanks for the pictures

Tim

[wdr2]

Green Frog: I used 12.0gr of 296, that's a nearly full case with the seating depth I used. Might be able to use 12.5gr without compressing. I did not set up a chronograph. Work up to this to be sure this is safe in your guns.


wdr2. what does Winchester (or whoever) regard as a "full load" of 296 for the 327 and a 115 gr bullet? For whatever reason, I can't seem to find anything definitive. If you wish, you can just PM me with the load, if you don't want to post it here. TIA!

Froggie

[rintinglen]

Hogdon lists 12.2 -13.2 grains 296/H110 for a 100 grain Hornady. In my star-line cases, I don't think I could get 13.2 grains in there without compression. The 311-316 is very accurate with 11.8 grains. I have some loaded up with 12.0 for my next outing, but that may not be until after the holidays.

[rintinglen]

I'll gladly take it off your hands. Seems like such a burden [emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]

How very kind of you, but really, I can't be such a burden to you. Besides, the camera is old, only 4.0 megapixels, so I doubt that it would meet your needs.:wink:

But seriously folks, I am having a blast with this gun. I have only run about 350 rounds through it so far, but I am impressed with the accuracy. Size your boolits to .313, use a good lube--I'm using Ben's Red--and you'll have nice groups. There does seem to be a drop off in accuracy as cases get shorter. Groups with the 32 S&W Long loaded with MP 314-640-100 grain boolits were a third again larger than those using the same boolit in .327 cases. Still, they were decent running around 3 inches in limited testing.

The only boolit that did not impress so far is the SAECO round nose, No.321, IIRC. Loaded over 4.5 grains of Unique, they were +3.0 inches at 15 yards and every thing else was in the 1- 2 inch range. That may be because those are were sized .312 for my 32-20, but I didn't write it on the box and they have since been TL'd. Not wanting to gunk up my calipers, I chose not to measure them.

I need to dig out the LBT mold and cast up some more of them, as well as my 311-419. That dinky boolit shoots very well out of my 30-30, and I think it might be good out of the 327 at very high velocity. I have a couple more 32 molds I want to try out as well. I've a RD 314-75 and an MP 32acp 75 grainer that need some work. I also want to run a few 32 ACP rounds through my guns, just for giggles. These seem to be perfect small game guns and really fun plinkers.

Now if I could only get a M-92 clone Lever gun to match...

[Fergie]

Where are you guys getting your load info? I've got all my pet loads for the .32 H&R, but only one of my books has a .327 magnum load(same as Hogdon's online manual) and that is for an 100gr XTP.

I've got a good bit of 100gr LRNFP that I want to try in the .327, but have not any more info on the loads. What am I missing?

On the topic of the M-92, I will be sending off an H&R 20 gauge to be relined for .327 FM here soon. Short of finding one of the Marlin 1894CBs for a decent price, this was my best bet.

G

[Guesser]

Western Powders has infer using their Ramshot and Accurate powders in the 327. Good data and a variety.

[rintinglen]

Where are you guys getting your load info? I've got all my pet loads for the .32 H&R, but only one of my books has a .327 magnum load(same as Hogdon's online manual) and that is for an 100gr XTP.

I've got a good bit of 100gr LRNFP that I want to try in the .327, but have not any more info on the loads. What am I missing?


G

Not much, actually.
My load data is based on inferences drawn from the Data on Hodgdon's website plus the Lyman Number Four Cast Bullet Handbook. I am using 45 years of reloading experience to gingerly step out side the box, using comparisons between powders in similar usages for other calibers.

2400 is a powder I am going to try, having finally scored a pound last month. A quick look at the Alliant site yields nothing--no data for the 327-- but the .357 data shows a max load for a 158 grain JHP as 14.8 grains. Hodgdon shows a max of 16.2 grains of H-110 for a 158 grain .357 JHP, and a max of 13.2 grains for a 100 grain JHP in the .327. I look at my Lee reloading manual, and my Speer 14. Neither has data for the .327, but both have data for 158 grain 357 jhp's. Speer shows a max of 14.8 grns of 2400 and 15.5 H110, while the Lee shows a max of 15.2 grains of 2400 for a 158 grain JHP and 16.7 grains of H-110. I take a look at my Lyman #4, which has some data for the .327, but nothing for anything I am interested in. However, I take a look at the data for the 100 grain Boolit and find AA#9 and Bluedot. I compare that with the same powders in the .357.

I'm starting to get a picture of the correlation between the .327 with 100 grain boolits and the .357 with 158 grain boolits. I do some math, averaging the data for the 357 158 grain 2400 and H110 loads, and come up with a ratio. The number I come up with is .93. I multiply the max H110 load that Hodgdon lists for the 327 100 grain JHP, 13.2 by .93 and come up with 12.28 as a max for my 2400 load, but I ain't going there. You never start at the top. Looking at the .357 again, I see that the start loads for 2400 run 20 % under max. I am going to therefore start my testing at 9.7 grains of 2400 and if that is ok, I'll try 9.9 grains, then 10.2.
There I will stay until I get out to test the velocity of that load and compare it to the H-110 loads.

I am relying on my familiarity with 2400 and H-110 to make this comparison. With powders I am unfamiliar with, I am even more cautious.

[jrayborn]

Some Data I have developed. This is for conversation only, and I take no responsibility for its use. But I do not hot-rod.

.327 Mag Loads:

NOE 313-640, 118 GR, G/C, OAL 1.490, 10 gr 2400

NOE 315-115, 118 GR, SWC, OAL 1.515, 10 gr 2400

115 gr GOLD DOT, OAL 1.465, 10 Gr 2400

MIHA 314-140, 140 gr G/C, OAL 1.588, 9 Gr 2400


Hope this may help some of you.

[wdr2]

Lots of 327 data in the Feb-Mar 2009 Handloader, Brian Pearce article. I expect he will have a new article on the Single Seven soon.

[Fergie]

Lots of 327 data in the Feb-Mar 2009 Handloader, Brian Pearce article. I expect he will have a new article on the Single Seven soon.

I will check on that.

I see all this 2400 load data and I just finished up a pound of that with my .44 mag loads....dagnabit! Maybe I have another pound hiding on the back shelf.

[Bullwolf]

I'm sure that most looking at this thread have seen this:

M.D. Smiths Reloading Pages (http://www.reloadammo.com/327fed-mag.htm) Reloading the .327 Federal Magnum.

http://www.reloadammo.com/327fed-mag.htm

There's a decent amount of 327 Federal chronograph data listed there.

Some data extrapolated from 32 H&R magnum as well. The many different boolit weights listed show the versatility of this cartridge, along with some different powder choices. It paints an interesting picture, when looked at in conjunction with the data in modern reloading manuals.



- Bullwolf

[Fergie]

Well, I checked out the link above, and am going to give the 4.0gr of Unique a try with the LRNFPs.

I loaded some of the 100gr XTPs with 12.5gr of H110. Two of the cases buckled and several of the noses of the bullets got mooshed down.

[Fergie]

Got out to shoot the test loads mentioned above. The XTP loads were definitely stronger, but the accuracy wasn't any better or worse.

The 4.0grains of Unique did just fine too; I think I prefer these a bit more.

I've got to figure out the issue with my die set though. It is an older Lee set for the .32 S&W Long. It loads the .32 H&R mag just fine too.

However, when belling the case mouth on the .327 federal magnums, the case gets stuck and takes some force to drop the ram back dwn. I pulled the specific die, took it apart, and nothing seemed wrong, so I'll need to spend more time working on it.

[dtknowles]

Got out to shoot the test loads mentioned above. The XTP loads were definitely stronger, but the accuracy wasn't any better or worse.

The 4.0grains of Unique did just fine too; I think I prefer these a bit more.

I've got to figure out the issue with my die set though. It is an older Lee set for the .32 S&W Long. It loads the .32 H&R mag just fine too.

However, when belling the case mouth on the .327 federal magnums, the case gets stuck and takes some force to drop the ram back dwn. I pulled the specific die, took it apart, and nothing seemed wrong, so I'll need to spend more time working on it.

Check the thickness of the brass, the magnum brass could be thicker and harder.

Tim

[ethang]

Check the thickness of the brass, the magnum brass could be thicker and harder.

Tim

I have not tried but have read that shims are needed when using 32 long/HR dies to load 327 rounds. Could that be the case?

[Guesser]

I use Lee 32 Long dies to load it, 32 mag and 327, works well, but I use a Lyman "M" die from my 32-20 die set to open the case mouth.

[ethang]

I use Lee 32 Long dies to load it, 32 mag and 327, works well, but I use a Lyman "M" die from my 32-20 die set to open the case mouth.

So the shim is not needed then? I have not started loading 327, just 32 mag.

[dragon813gt]

The 32 S&W Long dies should load for 327 as per Lee. The 32 H&R Magnum dies will work as well but you won't be able to load the shorter cases w/ them.