what case can be used to make .32 Remington?

[nagantguy]

Dear mods if this is in the wrong spot feel free to move it, I really didn't know where to post this, thank you. Anyhow got a model 14 in 32 Remington. Haven't seen a box of factory fodder in a spell is there an appropriate case I could use along with some magic dust to create brass for this old girl? I've seen this gun shot, I've fired this rifle as a young man it locks up tight and has a good bore. It is the take down model. Any help would be helpful. I haven't sluged the bore or made a chamber cast yet first I have to find a d

[WallyM3]

The base is 0.422"-0.010' on the 30 Rem.

[mac60]

According to Handloader's manual of cartridge conversions you have 2 options - .30-30 or .30 Remington. Starting with .30-30 looks like it would be a pain - you'd need a lathe. I don't see .30 Remington as being more available than .32 Remington though.

[texassako]

Use .30-30(or .32 Special), turn the rim off, cut an extractor groove. GRUMPA has sold some converted brass on here as well. Does Lohman actually have stock? I have seen that Jamison brass listed on Grafs for about 2 years listed as unavailable, but when I asked Jamison about when they would run it last year they knew nothing of ever making any of the .25/.30/.32 Remington line and Grafs had no clue either.

[GRUMPA]

Here's how it's done.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?228409-25Rem-30Rem-32Rem

[RayinNH]

To expand on mac60's post, make from 30-30 Win. Turn rim flush with body and cut extractor groove. Taper expand to .330 dia. and F/L size. Fireform in chamber.

Load : 170 grain bullet, 27 grs. 4198, for 2130 f.p.s.

This information from "The Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions 4th Ed.

[nagantguy]

I may have a box of ammo
Where are you located and is it fer sale? Or trade?

[GRUMPA]

Here's a place that sells it loaded. http://shop.reedsammo.com/32-Remington-170g-FP-IL-32rem170FPIL.htm

[bruce drake]

http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1229

A bunch of folks on this forum love the 30 Remington cartridge and the link details how to make the brass from 30-30 cases. If you are desperate for brass -- 6.8 SPC was originally formed from 30 Remington brass but necking up that cartridge would leave you with just a .1" neck after the shoulder was formed and a huge jump to the rifling...

[Tackleberry41]

I saw 2 of these old rifles in a gun store not long ago, 1 35rem the other 32. I had never seen one, came out of an estate, on consignment. Before I buy any sort of odd gun I look at the ammo. Already have enough guns that require creating brass from something else. 35 Rem, the LGS near me has it on the shelf. 32 Rem required the lathe, so I passed.

[nagantguy]

This was a swap deal with an old friend. I'd rather had it in 35 and I may trade it off.

[starmac]

I picked up a lot of factory 30 rem brass even a new bag or two right off this forum.
Grampa makes 30 rem brass and if I am not mistaken it is simple to make 32 out of it.
Post an add in the want to buy section, that is where I got my brass, dies, etc for the 30. The model 14 is a sweet little gun, is yours rifle length or carbine.

[nagantguy]

Its the take down rifle. Thank you guys at least know I have some ideas. Looking at the manuals it doesn't seem to offer much advantage over the 30-30 ballisticly.

[Scharfschuetze]

It'll be worth the effort to get it shooting. I have a 141 in 30 Remington and it's fun factor is up there with any of the old deer rifles: lever, pump or auto. While I don't have a 32 Remington, I do have the ballistic equivalent, a 32 Winchester Special in a Model 64 and I appreciate this under appreciated bore size. The 32 bore and the Remington 14 action should make one fine plinking rifle or deer hunting rifle. The best of both worlds so to say.

[GRUMPA]

Its the take down rifle. Thank you guys at least know I have some ideas. Looking at the manuals it doesn't seem to offer much advantage over the 30-30 ballisticly.

30-30 is what the 25,30,32Rem cases is based off of. Wouldn't imagine there would be any if much advantage ballistically.

[bruce drake]

30 Remington is basically a 30-30 Rimless. Rimmed cases in early auto-loaders were not very good in the feeding department so Remington just took the 30-30 cartridge and made the case with a rimless design and paired with their Model 8 series rifles made a great commercial success and made plenty of sales with Eastern hunters.

[starmac]

Pretty sure the 32 rem and 32 win special are pretty much the same ballistically. It has always been my understanding, that in those days manufacturers really didn't want to stamp there guns with another manufacturers caliber. 30 rem instead of 30 wcf, 32 rem instead of 32win sppecial. At least one of my old load books just says use 30/30 load data for the 30 rem. I haven't looked at and compared 32 rem data, but expect it to be the same as 32 win.

[bruce drake]

starmac is right. Also they didn't want to have to pay royalty fees on the name or deal with placing another competitor's name on their rifles.

32 Rem is a 32 Winchester special without the Rim, the 30-30 is a 30 Rem with a rim ;) Now on the 35 Remington...I don't know if there was a rimmed equivalent to that chambering.

Bruce

[texassako]

They are ballistic equivalents. Remington even called two of them the .25-35 Rem and .30-30 Rem in the beginning, but better judgment in names prevailed when they realized people were wondering why their rimmed Winchester shells would not fit. There are enough difference, especially shoulder angles, that the FL sizing dies are different. The .32 Remington is great for cast by the way, one of my favorites.

[nagantguy]

Getting a real education thanks guys! Sometimes its fun to.get a rifle you didn't plan for look.for PR know much about

[starmac]

I can tell you my M14 is picky on oal. Just a hair too long and it will go from one of the slickest actions you have ever seen to hung up like a big dog. Mine is carbine length with a 2 3/4 redfield with the post reticle and a real sweet, fast handling package, especially for a lefty.

[UBER7MM]

starmac is right. Also they didn't want to have to pay royalty fees on the name or deal with placing another competitor's name on their rifles.

32 Rem is a 32 Winchester special without the Rim, the 30-30 is a 30 Rem with a rim ;) Now on the 35 Remington...I don't know if there was a rimmed equivalent to that chambering.

Bruce

Bruce,

The 35 Rem is a rimless 30-40 Krag that's been cut down and blown out. I'm not aware of a rimmed equivalent.

Not much help,

[Harter66]

I read the wives tail about the 30-30/32 Win and 30/32 Rem.
Below you will find that the Remingtons are really more like AIs with Weatherby shoulders .
30-30 ,32 Rem ,7x6.8Rem assorted projectiles.
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turning the rims isn't a big deal, the cases must be trimmed however as they are just a little shorter than 30-30.
I got 2180 fps with a plain based 323-175 R2 and about 2 gr under starting for imr 4350 with the 175 gr jacketed in 32 Win ,faster by the way than the max load in the 32 Win also .

[starmac]

Not sure what wives tail you are referring to, but at least one of my old manuals, just says to use 30/30 data to load the 30 rem. All of mymanuals that have the 30 rem listed gives basically the same loads as 30/30, with maybe a grain different sometimes.

[Harter66]

I read everything I could get on the 32 which all said "it is a rimless 32 Win special " , it is close like a 7mm Rem and Weatherby. The difference is very plain in the picture above. Kind of an AI with a Weatherby shoulder only neither were around in 1907. The myth of course is the identical part ,the dies will work but aren't right. Just live experience with a 1935 model 14 .

[starmac]

Never heard they were identical cases as a mith or anyother way. I always heard they were pretty much ballistic twins. The 30 and 30/30 pretty much is, I don't have a 32, so have not compared them, but suspect they are. The neck is plainly different between the 30 and 30/30, but the old lee loaders list the same one for both calibers. I have one that has both calibers on it, but never tried it.

[Harter66]

I aquired the Lee loader for the 32 also it is marked for both also. The standard press dies not so much .

When making brass for the 32 it should be noted that I had to make a false shoulder to form the brass correctly . In the cases that I didn't 1 grew almost. 05 past the chamber. Hine my discovery of the difference in length.

Ben Amonti at Aliant was very helpful with load data although the data he provided came from and older Lyman book. My Speer #7 says under 32 WS this data may be used for 32 Rem as is. I think the Rem has a slight case capacity edge over the Winchester. I doubt that it is much but it appears to be there.

I wonder if they had used the 35 case for all 4 if they would still be with us ?

[texassako]

I wonder if they had used the 35 case for all 4 if they would still be with us ?

Hindsight is 20/20, but it would be about like having the 257 Roberts and 308 decades before there time plus a 32 in between the 32 Special and 8x57. It would have been a great decision.

[Harter66]

Imagine no 250 or 300 Savage. .....

[TXGunNut]

I wonder if they had used the 35 case for all 4 if they would still be with us ?-Harter66

Pretty sure it would have been a game-changer but it's hard to say. Quite possibly the 30 would be but OTOH the 35 Rem doesn't do as well in today's market as I think it should. So many wonderful cartridges lost due to the fickle retail market.

[Duckiller]

The 6.8 case has the sized head but the case is too short. 30 Rem and 32 Rem are like the 30/30 and the 32 Win Spc. and one can be made from the other. As the owner of a Model 14 30 Rem I hate to see the brass used for anything else but It is the easiest way to make 32 Rem brass.

[Scharfschuetze]

I too own a Remington slide action (Model 141) in 30 Remington. Fortunately it came with 10 boxes of factory ammo and about 200 unfired cases. It's a great rifle for plinking and cast boolit shooting and my loads for it are virtually the same as my loads for the 30/30 Winchester. They are virtually ballistic twins.

If I ever find a 32 Remington in good shape I'll bring it home ricky tick. It would make a fine companion to my Model 64 in 32 Winchester Special and I'm quite sure that I could use all my 32 WS data for the 32 Remington.

I use a Redding bushing neck sizing die for loading both the 30/30 and 30 Remington as well as the 32 Winchester Special. The interchangeable bushings allow for the use of the same die body. As for case forming to 32 Remington, I am fortunately in tall cotton with all the 30 Remington brass that I'll ever need.

[leadhead]

I killed my first buck with a 32 Remington... borrowed from a neighbor. What a sweet shooting
gun...He had boxes of ammo stacked up in his gun cabinet 10 high. I was susposed to get it when
he passed, but it never happened. I loved that gun.
Denny