Marling 45/70 XLR and Ranch Dog TLC460-350-RF

[hedgehorn]

I have been casting some boolits in my new mold from Ranch Dog for my Marlin. I am looking for a good starting point with IMR 4198 and the Ranch Dog TLC460-350-RF. Most of the loads that I have found have been for a jacketed slug. Thanks in advance :-D

[6pt-sika]

Don't know about IMR4198 !

All I've used with either of the Ranch Dog 45 caliber bullets was XMP5744 .

[6pt-sika]

This may be of some help !

In Lyman's Cast bullet Handbook the closest weight they show to the RD 350 is the 330 grain HP bullet which happens to be a plain base . Anyway they show IMR4198 starting at 33.5 grains and the max at 43.0 grains .

If it were me I think I would start at about 37 or 38 grains and go up from there in 1 grain increments .

In the lower charges they say use a 1/2 grain dacron wad over the powder . They also said use that in all loads of SR4759 , but I never did and they shot just fine .

Again with the IMR4198 they say use the dacron in the lesser charges , but with the max load they do not suggest using it , so I would think halfway in between you could by their recomendations quit using the dacron and that matter of fact would be about 38 grains .

Hope this helps :-D

[hedgehorn]

I should have looked a little closer at Ranch Dogs web site. He has his data for H4198 and I have looked at allot of other loads and IMR uses the same charges minus a couple grains as Hodgdon.
http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/TLC460350RF/4570Data/H4198Chart.gif

350 GR. HDY JRN 350 Varget .458" 2.540" 54.0 1786 21,800 CUP 60.0C 2013 29,500 CUP
350 GR. HDY JRN 350 H335 .458" 2.540" 54.0 1903 26,000 CUP 60.0 2094 38,800 CUP
350 GR. HDY JRN 350 H4895 .458" 2.540" 53.0 1784 21,700 CUP 59.0C 2045 32,900 CUP
350 GR. HDY JRN 350 Benchmark .458" 2.540" 56.0 1886 26,900 CUP 60.0C 2092 39,300 CUP
350 GR. HDY JRN 350 H4198 .458" 2.540" 48.5 2036 32,200 CUP 54.0 2191 39,300 CUP
350 GR. HDY JRN 350 IMR 4064 .458" 2.540" 58.0 1967 32,700 CUP 62.0C 2085 36,700 CUP
350 GR. HDY JRN 350 IMR 4895 .458" 2.540" 57.5 1891 29,200 CUP 61.0C 2026 37,200 CUP
350 GR. HDY JRN 350 IMR 3031 .458" 2.540" 56.5 2022 31,400 CUP 60.0C 2135 37,100 CUP
350 GR. HDY JRN 350 IMR 4198 .458" 2.540" 47.0 2032 32,500 CUP 50.0 2131 36,600 CUP

[mroliver77]

I look at the balistics associated with Varget and it looks so cast friendly.
I think any one of these loads ought to take down a 150 lb white tail.
J

[Buckshot]

..................My favorite load in the 45-70 with a 405gr slug is 28.0grs of any 4198, or Nobel Tubal 2000.

..............Buckshot

[Boomer Mikey]

Ranch Dog's data is irrefutable.

I've been using 25 grains of 4198 with 305 - 360 grain cast bullets for many years with no filler as a plinking and CAS load with MOA accuracy. 35 grains is still an easy load to work with but any more than 45 grains is above my comfort level.

Boomer :Fire:

[Ranch Dog]

Hey guys thanks for the interest in my molds and the data I've shot. Please allow me to post a couple of items being the chart above was posted. If you go to the opening data page (http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/TLC460350RF/4570Data/) all the appropriate powders are listed with information about each. There is legend and other comments. On each data page there is a set of conditions for the data.

The legend...
http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/TLC460350RF/4570Data/Chart_Legend.jpg

...and then my explaination and disclaimer...
This page is my personal web page where I store reloading data that I've collected with my firearms and components. Use of this information is at your own risk.

The 45-70 Govt.'s SAAMI Maximum pressure is 28.0K PSI. I elect to reload my 1895G to the same pressures I load other Marlin actions to, 42.0K PSI. 42.0K is the SAAMI Maximum for the 30-30 Win and 444 Marlin.

I also make some recommendations based on all this shooting
http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/TLC460350RF/4570Data/recommendations_page_321x317.jpg

[hedgehorn]

Hey Michael I love your molds, Just got my 460-425 this afternoon. Great work on your site as well. ;)

[6pt-sika]

Hey Michael I love your molds, Just got my 460-425 this afternoon. Great work on your site as well. ;)


I like the 425 grainer better then the 350 grainer myself [smilie=1:

But be prepared the 425'er hits you a pretty good lick when you set her off :roll:

[hedgehorn]

Oh its all in the fun. I like to feel the shoulder dislocating just before the whistle of the mortar :D

[6pt-sika]

Oh its all in the fun. I like to feel the shoulder dislocating just before the whistle of the mortar :D

Most likely with the XLR scoped and the pad it shouldn't thump you as much as my LIGHT 1895CB .

[6pt-sika]

My 1895XLR with a Leupold 3-9 scope and shooting the Hornady Leverevolution is not bad recoil wise at all !

But the unscoped 1895CB and my old 1978 vintage Marlin 1895 with cast bullets are stout when you set them off .

[hedgehorn]

Oh I only have a XLR no CB. Sorry for the confusion

[charger 1]

I should have looked a little closer at Ranch Dogs web site. He has his data for H4198 and I have looked at allot of other loads and IMR uses the same charges minus a couple grains as Hodgdon.



What program was used for the graph?