45 Colt+P in PUMA lever

[corvette8n]

Doubletap ammo lists a 300gr. j-words pushing 1688fps from a 16.5" carbine.

Could I or should I try for that same velocity using the LEE C452-300-RF/GC
what lube, what powder?

[felix]

Make the boolits on the hard side, and use RL7 to base of boolit. ... felix

[w30wcf]

corvette8n,
Hodgdon's Data Manual 26 shows 23.0 / H110 / giving 1,330 f.p.s. @ 30,000 CUP in a 7" test barrel. Add about 300 f.p.s. in a rifle barrel and you are in the ballpark.

The capacity load of RL7 that Felix mentioned is a good accurate loading but I have not been able to attain more than 1,420 f.p.s. with it in my .45 Colt rifle.

w30wcf

[Don McDowell]

For the most part you can use Ruger only data. Figure about 300 fps more from your rifle than what a 7.5 inch handgun gives when using powders slower than 2400.
Start low and work up slow, the pressures to get that sort of velocity are definetly out of the patticake variety.

[Scrounger]

From Brian Pearce:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o9/artcompton/CarbineFactoryLoads001.jpg
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[Scrounger]

RL7 is too slow. From what I saw of WC680 in the .44 Magnum, I always thought it would be the perfect powder for heavy loads. I tried to get into a .45 Colt rifle for a long time but no deals came along, and I was too deep into the .44 Mag to change.

[NickSS]

I loaded up some 45 Colts that were warm. I loaded them in shortened 454 Casule cases with 31 gr of AA1680 and a 225 gr Speer J bullet. This load really had a sharp kick in my stainless puma I shot it in. I did not chrono it but just from the recoil I would not heasitate to shoot deer with it.

[felix]

The Winnie I have has an excessive chamber and will allow the case to swell way too much for continuous loadings. Therefore, use RL7 or 680 to base of boolit to keep accuracy and pressure in the 30K CUP range. Yes, the powder is too slow for an all out load. If the gun has tight chamber(s), then no problem with those 1800 fps big boolit loads. ... felix

[KCSO]

In 1890 you shot a 330 grain bullet at 1600 fps from a 10 pound 45-70. Now we want to push the same bullet out of a 6 pound 92 carbine. Hard on the gun and harder on the shoulder, no thanks. I have yet to meet a deer that complained about the load I shot him with and a 250 gr bullet at 13-1400 fps seems to do the job just fine.

[Scrounger]

Obviously you've never shot a doe. Like the females of all species, they complain about everything....

[Boomer Mikey]

H110 or WW296 loads between 21 and 27 grains should reach numbers you're looking for with pistol primers. Be careful not to mix magnum and standard primers... if you work up loads with regular primers magnum primers can cause excesive pressures. Just about any lube will work at these velocity levels with gas checks. Slug the bore and size/use the largest diameter bullet you can load and chamber reliabily. Use a medium to heavy crimp to provide consistency.

The Puma is a strong action, it'll handle more than you want to but listen to what felix is saying if you want cases to last.

Boomer :Fire:

[Andy_P]

I have a Puma 92 in 45 Colt and have been using 44 Mag loads. There are plenty of them for many different powders, and using them for 45 Colt provides loads of lower pressure than for the 44 Mag by virtue of the biger case and larger bore.

[Boz330]

A buddy of mine uses WW296 with a 300 Hornady XTP and gets 1500+ and small groups. BTW it hurts like hell on both ends.

Bob

[srayc]

Don't forget to bump up the hardness of your boolits on the oven!.......

[DanWalker]

Using the same boolit you're describing I've gone to 20 grains of 2400 in my win 94 trapper.
I got 1550-1600 fps from the 16" barrel, but it was obviously a MAX load. The recoil kept shearing off the magazine tube retaining screw. I backed off to 18.5 grains and haven't noticed one iota of difference in killing power.
EVERYTHING I've shot with that boolit has died without much fuss.

[DanWalker]

Don't forget to bump up the hardness of your boolits on the oven!.......

I've been shooting air cooled WW's in mine without a bit of leading.
I'm also shooting pure lead and not seeing any leading either.
That's the joy of a properly fittted boolit with a gas check. You can really push it hard without much trouble.

[ktw]

I have the Win 94 Trapper. In my experience a 300 gr boolit@1500fps is the point where the light carbine starts to come back and bite you. Shoot a lot of them and its going to leave a mark.

The 300-340 grain boolits have worked well, but the sweet spot for both accuracy and shooting enjoyment tends to be in the 1350-1450 fps range. H110 is my choice of powder for these.

My Winchester also has a large chamber. Some of my better cast loads involve 454 Casull brass trimmed down to fit the chamber, .457 boolits and fireformed/unsized brass.

-ktw

[45r]

My Marlin 45colt cowboy shot some 3/4 inch 3 shot groups today at 50 yards using my Mtn Mold 300GC boolits over 20.0 grains 296 with CCI 350 primers and lubed with 2500 plus.

[bigdog454]

I just got a Puma in 454 Casull, thats the same action ( 92). I don't know if there is a difference between the 454 and 45 action, but factory WIN 300 gr FN jacketed bullets Chronographed at 2000 fps from it. And they do recoil!!

[timberlost]

I have had very good luck with Lil,gun

[WildmanJack]

In 1890 you shot a 330 grain bullet at 1600 fps from a 10 pound 45-70. Now we want to push the same bullet out of a 6 pound 92 carbine. Hard on the gun and harder on the shoulder, no thanks. I have yet to meet a deer that complained about the load I shot him with and a 250 gr bullet at 13-1400 fps seems to do the job just fine.

Man never been said better. I bought a box of 325 gr. 45 colt 1325 fps from Buffalo Bore. Shot three out of my "94 Winchester Trapper with no recoil pad....Good God !!!!!!!!!! I haven't been kicked that hard since my ex wife left!!! Buffalo Bore says it will take out anything with fur up to 1000 lbs. I believe it. Next time I shoot that round will be when something is trying to hurt me...

Jack

:castmine: so I can :Fire: and then go have a few :drinks:

[jwp475]

Man never been said better. I bought a box of 325 gr. 45 colt 1325 fps from Buffalo Bore. Shot three out of my "94 Winchester Trapper with no recoil pad....Good God !!!!!!!!!! I haven't been kicked that hard since my ex wife left!!! Buffalo Bore says it will take out anything with fur up to 1000 lbs. I believe it. Next time I shoot that round will be when something is trying to hurt me...

Jack

:castmine: so I can :Fire: and then go have a few :drinks:



I shoot that load out of a handgun, as well as bigger more powerfull loads out handguns.. Come on guy's it's not that bad..



The "Boolit Bub"

[WildmanJack]

Whoaaaaaaaaa, then your a better man that I am!! Way to go...
Jack
:castmine:so I can :Fire: then go have a few :drinks:

[jwp475]

A friend shooting my 50 Alaskan


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/LinebaughSeminarJackson2007005.jpg




Former "Boolit Bub"

[454PB]

My wife did that very thing the first time she shot my F.A. 83 in .454 Casull. It didn't leave a mark, but it touched her forehead.

I've shot hundreds of 330 gr. 452651 boolits through my Puma .454 at 1900 fps. Recoil is not as bad as a 250 gr. FLGC at 2700 fps in my Ruger .338.

[jwp475]

I can attest that the recoil out of that 50 Alskan with 525 grain bullets just shy of 1600 FPS is stout indeed..


Former "Boolit Bub"

[Whitworth]

I've bounced the red dot on my .475 Linebaugh off of my forehead on several occasions -- you just have to pay attention every time you squeeze one off.....:mrgreen:

[jwp475]

Ole Hickory head. http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/Beers.gif

[Whitworth]

Oak, jwp.......:mrgreen:

[freedom475]

I find it easier on my body to take the recoil of a big handgun than to snuggle face and shoulder up the the back of a large rifle.


Just had the 480 puma out metering the c-sharps ladder sight. A 400gr. at 1250fps is still fun to shoot and powderful enough that I still had some sight left when I got to 900yrds.

Not to sure of the longjevitey of the Puma but wow is it fun to shoot. And with the 480 cal it's a flying freight train.

Doesn't seem as hard on the shoulder as the 44mag 300gr. out of my marlin. Not near as snappy or loud.

[45r]

My 24 inch Marlin 45 colt cowboy is easy to shoot 300 grain boolits with 19.0 grains 296 and 3/4 inch groups at 50 yards is plenty accurate for me.It does get your attention if you go up to 23.0 grains.It shoots real well with 18.0 grains 2400 and recoil ain't too bad.It shoots ragged hole groups with 240mag and 250 XTP j-word bullets also with heavy doses of H-110.My favorate load is 8.5 grains power pistol under my Mtn mold 305 PB boolits.Ragged hole groups and no recoil and no gas checks to mess with.