Winchester Rifle 1886 40-65 Year 1896

[bigbuck]

Dear all,

Maybe you can give me some hints:

I got offered :

- Winchester Rifle 1886 40-65 Year 1896

- Winchester Rifle 1895 35 WCF Year 1915 Take Down

- Winchester 1895 7,62x54R Year 1916 Russia contract with bajonett

What is a reasonable price, the overall conditions are good incl the rifling?

Any experience about reloading ?

Thank you for your kind help


Bigbuck

[bob208]

40-65 was not a common cal. in the 86. a takedown 95 is very hard to find. at one time you could not give away a 95 made for Russia. now they are scarce as hens teeth. so you have 3 very desirable Winchesters.

the only hint I can give is take out a loan and buy all three.

[bigbuck]

Just got the asking price. $6.700 all three !?

[Dan Cash]

Just got the asking price. $6.700 all three !?

Without seeing the guns I would say $6,000 would be close. If very nice 67 hundred not bad. I have a relined .30-40 1895 that is mostly white. It will bring 1200 to 1500.

[smokeywolf]

Without pictures, can't really say if that's a fair price. If they've been modified or refinished, they might be worth considerably less. Are the model '86 and '95 takedown deluxe models?

Really need photos.

smokeywolf

[bigbuck]

All i have so farhttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/20/cbf3a882ec7279aa68779a8341f418d8.jpg
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Greetings

[bob208]

now we get pictures. that 95 about 1200-1500. the last bayonet I saw for a 95 Russian went for 200.

[smokeywolf]

Kind of hard to say for sure, but the butt stock has the appearance of being refinished. Even taking that into consideration, because of the takedown feature, it's probably in the neighborhood that bob208 quotes.

[bigbuck]

Hello,

and now some of the Russian

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Thank you for your help

[bob208]

on the Russian depending on bore I would start with an offer of 2000 hoping they would take it and work my way up to 2500 maybe more.

one thing to check to see if the stock has been sanded. the wood should be a little higher then the metal.

[smokeywolf]

And now some pics of the model '86?

[bigbuck]

Certainly sir,

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[smokeywolf]

Nice '86. You show only right side of rifle so that's what I'll comment on.
Looks like maybe 10% of case colors left on receiver. Standard wood in fair to good shape. Forend to receiver fit gives the appearance of not having been refinished. Full octagon barrel. Octagon barrel and cased receiver were options. 40-65 is a great cartridge and are fewer in number than 45-70, but are still not that hard to find. All else appears standard. If the left side is as good or better than the right and the bore is good, I'd give an educated guess at $1,300 give or take as much as $300. The "give or take" is determined by physical inspection. It's status as a pre-Dec. 31, 1898 manufacture "antique" does add to its desirability.

There are several people on this forum more qualified than I to suggest values on 19th century Winchesters; KirkD is very knowledgeable.

smokeywolf

BTW, Starline Brass has 40-65 cases in stock now.

[bigbuck]

Thank you sir for your valuable advices. Help which one should it be..

[bob208]

I agree with smokeywolf. the bore would be the teller. if it is real good then the upper end would be right.

as I stated before float a loan and get all three.

[bigbuck]

Again Thank you for your advice

I ll keep you informed how it tended out..


bigbuck

[bigbuck]

Just by accident....the seller raised the prices above reasonable!

So they will stay in his safe until end of time....

However thank you so much for your kind support

bigbuck


Again Thank you for your advice

I ll keep you informed how it tended out..


bigbuck

[TXGunNut]

Sounds like somebody gave him some bad info, it happens. Maybe someday his heirs will be more reasonable.

[smokeywolf]

More likely his heirs didn't want to lose those desirable Winchesters and were the ones that gave him an inflated value on them.

smokeywolf

[John Taylor]

I just picked up an 86 in trade for a new barrel and some other work. It is a basket case and will need a new barrel. Trying to decide what caliber to make it, I have a new 40-82 barrel that is 28" long that belongs to a customer sitting on the shelf but I don't have loading dies for that caliber. I could be odd and go with the 38-70 which is one of the rare calibers in an 86.

[smokeywolf]

40-82 was awfully good for elk and caribou. But, have you got the dies to fab 40-82 from 45-70? Forming dies are pricey. Ready made 40-82 brass ranges from $2.00 to $2.80 EA.

[Kansas Ed]

Original 40 - 82's had tight chambers and loose bores. This created some problems with the reloading. Brass is made from 45-90, but then runs tight in the chambers. BACO sells stretched brass which is thinner, but I still have to neck turn mine. If your new barrel is better on the chamber than originals, I would go 40-82 hands down over the 38's. One interesting note....I saw where Dave Grullo from BACO was hunting with an 1886 in 40-65 I think, using heavy bullets. I was always under the impression that 86 twists were for lighter bullets. Something I need to ask when I make my next order.

Ed

[bob208]

if you have the old barrel and it is less then .45 get it rebored to .45-70

[bigbuck]

Dear all,

My hunt is not over yet.

Another Win 1895 crossed my way:

Winchester, Mod. 95, Kal. .35 WCF, Nr. 80xxx, 1915/16,

any idea what all these stamps origine are? I think one is a british blackpowder proof stamp but i think this can t be correct..128922

Thanks for your kind help


Bigbuck

[square butte]

All three proof marks on the barrel appear to be British proof marks. Also looks like a British export proof mark on the receiver - But I can't see it that well. This 95 was most likely exported to great Britain - and possibly then to a colony of the empire. Somebody else may know more.