30 30 and H4895 Help

[kungfustyle]

When to the gun show yesterday and was elated to find some H4895. I've been reading that this powder will do everything with every rifle...(with in reason) so it followed me home. I've done some research w/ this powder and seems to do great with cast and j's. I tried to pull up info on the 3030 and found some conflicting results. Hodgdon lists a 160g boolit(what is this mold?) with loads from 17.5 to 21 maxed out at 1562fps a little slow for hunting. On this site a few people talk about using the 311041 and H4895 at 27 and 28g of H4895. Am I missing something? My goal is to get my 311041 to 1900fps is it possible with H4895?

[GhostHawk]

I don't have a .30-30. I do have an SKS with a 7.62x39 that is ballistically almost identical.
I shoot a .312185 2r lee mold that with Gas check and lube is closer to 190 gr.

I love IMR 4895 in this case, it shoots like gangbusters!
Point of aim at 50m is the point of impact.

http://stevespages.com/308_9.html

This page is for the 30-30, choose your bullet weight.
Next page shows charges.

Example is for a 150 grain bullet

IMR-4895 From 26.4 grains to 35.5 grains Winchester WLR Primer

I suspect that 33 gr and up will be compressed loads. If it was me I'd start around 29-30 grains and work up.
Watching for accuracy along with loads that won't blast your shoulder.

If you have one in that string that hits exactly at point of aim, load a few more and see how it prints accuracy wise.

I've also been using IMR 4895 in my Mosin but there I pulled the powder charge down to half and started back up.
With a max charge of around 55 gr I've got 60 rounds loaded at 28.5, the beast has been tamed!

[C. Latch]

I think Hodgdon lists those loads basically as reduced loads. They aren't maximum pressure.

[kungfustyle]

That's a surprise on the sks, 190 going down range. Not much is gonna stand in front of that and live to tell about it.

[Scharfschuetze]

There's a similar thread here and the OP posted a screen shot of data that you are looking for:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?256299-30-30-311-041-amp-28grns-H4895

You're a bit under what the max load is in a couple of different manuals for a jacketed 170 grain bullets so you should be fine with the cast boolit of similar weight. While that sounds good on paper, why not drop down to 25 grains and then work up to your goal all the while watching for problems with extraction and accuracy.

I took a minute and checked my various manuals and found it odd that 4895 wasn't listed very often for cast boolits in the 30/30. Even Ken Waters in his magnus opus only lists 4895 with the old Ohaus (precursor to RCBS) 167 grain boolit with GC. He lists 28 grains of Hodgdon 1953 fps and adds that the IMR version does well too. Your proposed load ought to work pretty well, but I must admit to only going as slow as 3031 powder in my jacketed and cast loads for the calibre.

[dh2]

I think you are missing is the 60% rule (check Hodgdon web sight for more details)H4895 can be reduced down as low as 60% of the of the Max. charge listed in any manual. so for your 30/30 with 160gr. boolit max. load by Hodgdon web sight is 30.0gr of H4895. 60% of that would be 18.0gr. that would be the lowest you could go.
Your goal is 1900FPS this is very do able with the help of reduce load calculator put in the information Max. load is 30.0 gr for 2200FPS
desired speed is 1900 FPS gives you 25.0gr,
http://www.handloads.com/calc/reduced.asp

I am using this this method for my 9.3x62mm Mauser where load data is limited and cast data does not exist.
I hope this is the answer you are after
dh2

[dh2]

two of you are going up the same tree here.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?256301-30-30-311-041-amp-28grns-H4895&p=2965695#post2965695

[kungfustyle]

If I had seen that pressure/load list from the link before that would have been very helpful. What was throwing me off was Hodgdon listing a max at 21g. I noticed the pressure was way under, but I thought they know more about it than I did. I'm looking forward to trying this.

[MT Chambers]

That 18grain load of H4895 seems very light and a plinking load at most, my starting load for IMR 4198, a much faster burning powder is 18 gr. and I consider that as only a plinker but I play with it because of the microgroove rifling at 1600fps or so.

[kungfustyle]

I have a Mossberg so I don't have to worry about the microgroove. Will be trying this out soon and will post results.

[GhostHawk]

I have not hunted with it, but at the range it knocks paint off the backside of my 3/8's 10 inch AR500 target gong!
Hits exactly to point of aim, and appears to hit hard. Speed I'm guessing is 1/3 slower than factory, but it blows the snot out of a 2 liter pop bottle full of water. Boolits appear to be in the 8-10 hardness range, so I'd expect them to mushroom dramatically.



That's a surprise on the sks, 190 going down range. Not much is gonna stand in front of that and live to tell about it.