Someone has to ask/ Ebola--How concerned are we ??

[gray wolf]

Someone has to ask/ Ebola--How concerned are we ??
It seems we have the potential for a problem of sorts.
So my simple question is, How concerned are you folks ?

How much of the B/S media do you or are you believing ?

[Bullshop Junior]

Not concerned in the least.

[OptimusPanda]

More or less unconcerned. It's hard to transmit, and as far as I know every patient treated at a modern hospital has survived. That said, should it evolve into something less cute than pikachu we could have some trouble.

[Bullshop Junior]

As far as I know, there is also only one case of it in the US, and that guy is locked down in a texas hospital.

[cbrick]

Seems the biggest concern right now is Texas. Texas unlike DC has someone in charge with a spine that is taking steps to make sure it's properly contained and he didn't need to do it from a golf course.

Concerned? Not much, could be something in the future but for right now it's simply something to sell the news. Very typical of the news media, they want the public in a panic and glued to the TV and very typical of the media it's mostly hype and BS.

Rick

[C. Latch]

Not concerned in the least.
Exactly.

[jmort]

All of the epidemics start with "patient" zero. We are there with many people exposed. I am very much concerned.

[Wise Owl]

For any of you that might be concerned, here are links to some threads on a forum that have been tracking the progress of Ebola in general since the outbreak in West Africa.
You don't have to be a member to go there to read.
(note: these people are really good at sniffing out the truth. They have been at it since 2001 on this forum. Finding the truth instead of the mainstream spin)


Current case in Dallas, TX.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?455921-Dallas-Hospital-Monitoring-Patient-for-Ebola-CONFIRMED-EBOLA-IN-TEXAS-FIRST-IN-USA!

Stickied thread tracking since beginning.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?453540-Ebola-Tracking

This week's thread on Ebola in Africa and around the world.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?455995-MAIN-EBOLA-DISCUSSION-THREAD-10-01-2014-TO-10-15-2014

Also want to add that if you listen to the CDC and the Whitehouse it's all OK, sky is blue, water is clean and you hit the bullseye with every shot you take. HA HA.

Julie

[Wise Owl]

Oh, one more thing. This is NOT contained. Not no way, no how.

[Bohica793]

if you listen to the CDC and the Whitehouse it's all OK
Julie


This scares me more than anything.

[square butte]

It has the potential to over whelm the entire medical system of the US. Especially when you add in the current outbreak of Entero virus that acts like Polio and has already killed 4 that I have heard about - Not to mention drug resistant TB and others that are coming across the southern border. My bet is that the Entero virus came across that southern border as well. Illegal alien children have been distributed to all 50 states from what I heard on the radio today. Multiple pandemic diseases could overwhelm the system and could be a catalyst to martial law.

[dtknowles]

I am concerned. A person from the infected area was let into the country without quarantine or isolation. This seems to be a bad policy. Infected people are not immediately symptomatic so a blood test would be required to determine if the person is infected. This is for declared travelers, what about people entering the country without going thru customs.

The one reported case was not handled well as it took two trips to the hospital for him to be admitted and isolated even though he made it known he had traveled to the infected area. I read one report he traveled back to the U.S. specifically to get treatment and when he asked to be treated he was denied and released. That release lead to the exposure of others to the virus.

There still is no policy to isolate or quarantine travelers from the infected region. Previous reports about this disease have been inaccurate and lead me to believe that Ebola would not spread widely because it killed so quickly. This is not true. It is hard to tell if it was deliberate misinformation or ignorance. Any way the ignorance continues.

I am not to the point where I am taking any precautions yet but I am glad I am not flying on airlines right now as my work has changes recently.

Of the 80 or so people potentially exposed in Texas, are any being quarantined or isolated? Why not? Then again, if it gets worse they may take whole communities and put them in FEMA camps. It was the lack of a quick and strong response that let it get so far out of hand in Africa. We need a quick and strong response here.

If they came to get you because it was suspected that you were exposed would you let them take you to a camp where you would be isolated with other people who were suspected had been exposed? I certainly would not. You see if they don't take strong action now it could get very ugly very fast.

Tim

[cbrick]

Also want to add that if you listen to the CDC and the Whitehouse it's all OK, sky is blue, water is clean and you hit the bullseye with every shot you take. HA HA. Julie

Well that's true enough, if the White house is saying everything is peachy it's logical to assume were in deep doodoo. They have yet to speak the truth or be right on ANYTHING yet.

Rick

[Love Life]

Now is the time to be buying your food and water goods if you need them. Now is the time to start mass loading your ammo. Now is the time to buy ammo instead of components. Now is the time for you to go get that AR you have been thinking of. Now is the time to ensure there is always a full tank of gas in the car. Now is the time to look at preparations.

When another case outside of the Texas fiasco occurs, the run begins.

Looks like RobertBank was right and I haven't bugged out immediately and instead popped in to say start preparing now.

At that, I'm white smoke in the wind.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Someone has to ask/ Ebola--How concerned are we ??
...snip...
How much of the B/S media do you or are you believing ?
I have three things to say:

-I am concerned about everything, that is disturbing, that I hear in 'the news'.

-I also take everything in 'the news' with a grain of salt.

-Regarding ebola...right now, my normal activities won't make me susceptible, so it's nothing I am worrying about, I can say the exact same thing in regards to AIDS. To me, concerned and worrying are two different things.

[geargnasher]

AHA!!!!

I've been wracking my brain to come up with an idea of what scenario will occur along about next summer or early fall that will cause an executive order to be issued terminating all POTUS and top Federal elected position voting proceedings indefinitely and the institution of widespread, Federal control by force. Someone made a joke about "don't worry about Hillary until bummer's third term is over" once and I thought yeah, why not a third term, he does whatever else he wants? Now it all makes sense: Feds distribute infected Mexican children throughout the US rather than deport them back to their native country, then allow them to spread some dread diseases, then put the final screws to freedom in the name of public welfare/disaster management/disease control, or "national emergency".

You heard it from me first! Taking tin foil hat off now....

Gear

[Multigunner]

We aren't concerned nearly as much as we should be.Only a few decades past the disease killed faster than the infected could travel. It was quickly confined to small populations and quarantine was strictly and ruthlessly enforced.In todays world an infected person can travel around the world before his first symptoms appear.Also our health care personel of today are often not that good at their job, regardless of level of training, and not well motivated to get any better at it. They too often seem to resent being put to any bother to find out what is wrong with someone who shows up at the ER. My best friend's dad died because of this sort of attitude.

[rush1886]

The disease itself, and it's spread to the population, does not concern me too much.

What does concern me, and geargnasher is thinking on somewhat the same lines, is if this thing does somehow reach a proportion such that the WH, in infinite wisdom, decides to declare Martial Law.

Then, Houston, we have a problem!

[Char-Gar]

I am mildly concerned for three reasons;

1. It is a potential deadly virus with no known drugs to treat it.
2. I live in Texas and have family a few blocks away from the hospital where this guy is.
3. The government is assuring me they have a handle on this and there is no real reason for concern.

[rockrat]

Concerned.

Don't believe the media or the Docs on TV either. Contained they said, now, they are watching 80 people. How soon until 800 or 8000 or 80,000? Could be exponential growth, just like a ponzi sceme. Authorities , I think, are more concerned about looking bad and how they might have sc%^& up and be held accountable, especially before an election. You can bet they have been vaccinated, if there is one.

[opos]

anyone recall polio? I do. Anyone recall scarlet fever? I do..I had scarlet fever and our house was quarantined...no one got in or out where there would be contact with me..My Mother was the only person allowed to have any contact with me..my Dad could not even come into my room....and scarlet fever spread like wild fire...

Of course Ebola is here and it's going to spread..no way to stop it...but doubt it will be of the magnitude folks might think...the one thing is that you have to show symptoms before you are contagious...the guy in Texas wandered into the hospital 48 hours before he was "diagnosed" with a fever and symptoms...they sent him home...who knows who he saw or was in contact with during that 2 days..my fear is that the government agencies will be so busy playing CYA that they will cover up things like that so they don't look bad...IRS..V/A...Secret Service?????? All CYA when there was no chance of a problem.

I am avoiding as much "contact" with folks as possible until we see how this plays out...I carry the hand wash liquid..no hugging...no shaking hands, etc.. I live right near the Tijuana crossing and have no idea what gets across the border...we may have all sorts of ideas and rules in the U.S. but who is monitoring the wetbacks and the fence jumpers that flood the Southwest every day?

They reported that the guy that is in Texas left Liberia because his wife (or some other pregnant woman) died of Ebola shortly before...when he "filled out the questionaire" at the airport he just omitted the parts about contact with anyone with sickness...how many folks will lie to not be detained for 21 days before they can complete their travel??

[GOPHER SLAYER]

Why should we believe anything Obozo and company say? My wife saw a specialist on TV yesterday say that you could catch the Ebola virus if you were within three feet of an infected person. It has come to light that this infected doctor who just came from Liberia sent his kids off to four different schools. Do you remember how the CDC and other government agencies told us we had nothing to worry about when AIDS came to visit? Now we have no idea how many people have that virus. A bigger problem with aids is an invected person can live for decades and show no ill effects, much like typhoid Mary. I am very concerned.

[Smoke4320]

distrust and verify
I can't trust anything the gov or the news says any longer. Must seek other methods to verify anything reported or said
with that said I am mildly worried about multiple infected persons entering the US at different points spread across the US and what that may do to our health system and response

[flyingmonkey35]

118009

[Janoosh]

You must read Artful's posting about Ebola in the pit. And read everythhing very carefully. Dr's tried everything they had and are not sure it worked.The patient resorted to self medications. Unfortunately, I work in the service industry, in a very niche profession. My paycheck is in NYC. How many others here work in a metropolis??
Yes...I am very concerned. Could you local hospital handle more than two cases??

[Multigunner]

Some years ago a doctor who had traveled by air after becoming infected seeking better treatment facilities only became infectious to others after the virus began to come out in his sweat.A nurse who hung up his coat became infected simply by contact with the sweat contaminated cloth.The man who brought Ebola to Texas had no idea he had touched an Ebola infected person. He had helped a distressed pregnant woman find someone to take her to the hospital and rode in the car with her for a short time. The woman died without anyone suspecting it was Ebola rather than complications from a miscarriage.A great many HIV infections have come from accidental contact with blood of an infected person who has been in an accident.There was a case of a lab worker contracting Rabies simply from breathing cool air that had passed over an exposed disected dog brain. A extremely unlikely event but it happened. An airconditioner vent was in just the right position.The HIV scares may work in our favor. Most first responders now avoid contact with blood whenever possible and wear gloves. Anyone rendering aid to a sick or injured person would do well to follow that example.

[gray wolf]

@CDCgov How long can Ebola survive on surfaces that have been coughed on, or otherwise contaminated? Like edge of a glass, toothbrush?

@spellingwitch Ebola virus dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours: http://go.usa.gov/vQjj

You can add to that, seat backs in the airplanes he flew here on. Or doorknobs/door handles at the airport. He must have used the bathroom facilities on the planes or the airports he was in. (he was on 3 different planes)

THEN we have the girlfriend/fiancee and the kids in the apartment he was in where he vomited and had diarhea all over. OH and they are just NOW going in to that apartment to decontaiminate it. All the while the girl and the kids are still there. Oh and he went outside and vomited all over the lawn before the ambulance got there. Do you think that anyone disinfected that area before people, dogs or other animals tracked thru it and took those same viruses elsewhere? OR the kids who went to school (4 different schools) on Monday and last week?

It's up to 80 to 100 people they are watching now. NOT 12 to 18 like they said yesterday. Have they all been put into a 21 day quarantine? Where have they been or where are they now?
How about those planes he was on? How many of the planes got disinfected between his flight and the next one? NONE.

It goes on and on. Do yourselves all a favor and go read those links I posted. If you have loved ones, it's up to you to protect them. Especially children.

Julie
(sorry for posting under Sam's handle. I needed to say this above quickly)

[Duckiller]

I am concerned because it took a supposedly fine hospital four days to figure out that they may have an Ebola patient. Story in local newspaper(AP) has Texas hospital claiming they did everything right. I believe some medical personnel in Texas need some remedial classes in public health and disease control. Not monitoring anyone that was on the airplanes with him also concerns me. What if Ebola can be spread in several ways? More openness as to what the CDC and others are doing to contain this potential outbreak would be appreciated other than "Everything is fine"

[Wise Owl]

Here is a fine example of the CDC and the State Dept of Health in Texas and how they have this all contained. Read it and then tell me how they have it under control.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...osed-Ambulance (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/10/2/Dallas-Paramedic-We-Werent-Contacted-After-Working-in-Ebola-Exposed-Ambulance)


DALLAS PARAMEDIC: WE WEREN’T CONTACTED AFTER WORKING IN EBOLA EXPOSED AMBULANCE

by BOB PRICE 2 Oct 2014, 9:35 AM PDT

(Bolding mine ~BBL)
HOUSTON, Texas -- A Dallas paramedic claimed he drove the ambulance that the US Ebola patient was transported in and that he was not contacted by anyone about the potential exposure. He claims he drove the ambulance sometime after the patient was transported. The Dallas Fire Department left the ambulance that transported Ebola patient Thomas Duncan to the hospital in service for at least 48 hours before putting it in quarantine on Wednesday. The ambulance was exposed to the Ebola virus when Duncan was transported on September 28th.

“All the people in the back of the ambulance 48 hours later before they finally took the ambulance out of service,” said Dallas Paramedic Geoffrey Aklinski in a discussion on Facebook, “none of them have been contacted. None of the paramedics that were on that shift and went in the ambulance were contacted. I’ve been off three days now. No one contacted me and I was in and drove that ambulance after it was infected.”
Aklinski said he was going to a doctor on his own initiative to be tested for the Ebola virus. “This is definitely a concern and exposed workers have not been contacted or tested… like me,” he explained. “I had to call into control in Dallas at 8 pm and complain to get evaluated.”

“Three days after the fact,” an exasperated Aklinski stated, “I had to demand exposure testing and they are reporting following up with all the people in the ambulance??? Bull ****!!! They haven’t even followed up with the ten firefighters that were on duty Sunday.”
Aklinski went further in explaining the frustration he and most likely, other firefighters, are feeling. “How do you not test and contact the firefighters at the station on Sunday!!! Only the two medics and the intern on the ambulance? I was freaking in that ambulance hours later driving it!!! No one bothered to contact me about it?!!!”

He went on to say he has contacted other news outlets and they won’t report his side of the story. “They just go with the official reports,” Aklinski stated.
Aklinski said he is going in for testing today and then will go into a 21 day home evaluation period.
Breitbart Texas contacted the Dallas Fire and Rescue Department and the Dallas Firefighters’ Association for comment. No response was immediately available.
Bob Price is a staff writer and a member of the original Breitbart Texas team. Follow him on Twitter @BobPriceBBTX.

[Wise Owl]

One more article for now.

If you think cause it's in Texas and you live in the Northwest you are safe? Ok, read below. This is not confirmed yet but it can happen ANYWHERE in the US. People travel, they come home. It's not just doctors and missionaries that travel to places like Africa. And there are always going to be people like the Duncan guy in Texas that will lie to get on a plane so he can go to the US and get the "cure" in one of our hospitals.



Utah’s Primary Children’s evaluating possible Ebola patient

By Kristen Moulton | The Salt Lake Tribune
First Published 37 minutes ago • Updated 4 minutes ago

Primary Children’s Hospital says a patient has been admitted there with Ebola-like symptoms, but it’s unlikely the person has the deadly virus.

The hospital scheduled a 1 p.m. news conference to discuss its emergency plan in such cases.


Published October 2, 2014

"While we have determined it is unlikely that the patient has Ebola virus, Primary Children’s has taken this opportunity to use the emergency plan that we have been working on for the past few months in order to provide the maximum protection to staff, patients, families, and the greater community in the event we do have a patient with an Ebola infection in the future," a news release said.

Hospital Spokeswoman Bonnie Midget said the patient had been in Africa and was admitted under the hospital’s new emergency protocols for dealing with Ebola. She declined to confirm the patient is a child. The family has asked for privacy.

"We’re in the process of ruling it out," Midget said.

The hospital’s epidemiologist was to discuss how Primary Children’s is caring for the patient, what the hospital is doing to protect the patient, staff and visitors, and answer questions about the Ebola virus.

Utah’s Primary Children’s evaluating possible Ebola patient By Kristen Moulton | The Salt Lake Tribune First Published 37 minutes ago •
Updated 4 minutes ago

Primary Children’s Hospital says a patient has been admitted there with Ebola-like symptoms, but it’s unlikely the person has the deadly virus. The hospital scheduled a 1 p.m. news conference to discuss its emergency plan in such cases.

Published October 2, 2014 Join the Discussion Post a Comment

"While we have determined it is unlikely that the patient has Ebola virus, Primary Children’s has taken this opportunity to use the emergency plan that we have been working on for the past few months in order to provide the maximum protection to staff, patients, families, and the greater community in the event we do have a patient with an Ebola infection in the future," a news release said. Hospital Spokeswoman Bonnie Midget said the patient had been in Africa and was admitted under the hospital’s new emergency protocols for dealing with Ebola. She declined to confirm the patient is a child. The family has asked for privacy. "We’re in the process of ruling it out," Midget said. The hospital’s epidemiologist was to discuss how Primary Children’s is caring for the patient, what the hospital is doing to protect the patient, staff and visitors, and answer questions about the Ebola virus.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58...imary.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58481575-78/patient-ebola-hospital-primary.html.csp)

[jcwit]

Someone has to ask/ Ebola--How concerned are we ??
It seems we have the potential for a problem of sorts.
So my simple question is, How concerned are you folks ?

How much of the B/S media do you or are you believing ?

I played that game way back in 1956 with polio, doubt I'll get it!

Guess who lost.

Already training myself and the wife to use the sanitary tissues when shopping and using the hand sanitiser when leaving the stores.

[waksupi]

Men being men, I imagine he was showing signs for several days before going back to the hospital. Lots of spreading opportunity.
It would be easy to launch a biological attack here. Inject someone overseas, send them over here, and let them have contact with lots of people, like in airports for example. Imagine how many a hot dog peddler at a major league game could contaminate in a day.

[shooter93]

I'm not to worried about contracting it but I don't believe the containment stories being put out. People who had contact with infected people being sent home????.....sound like containment? I'm not betting on a pandemic but when case numbers 6,7 and 8 show up the panic in this country will start in earnest I believe. Perfect scenario for pretty much complete government control.

[Wise Owl]

Now Kentucky is quarantining 2 people suspected to have ebola.


Posted for fair use and discussion.
http://www.lex18.com/news/two-patien...like-symptoms/ (http://www.lex18.com/news/two-patients-quarantined-in-kentucky-with-ebola-like-symptoms/)

4 hours 26 minutes ago
Two Patients Quarantined In Kentucky With Ebola-Like Symptoms

Two patients in Kentucky with Ebola-like symptoms have been quarantined for examination.

After the first case of Ebola was diagnosed in the US, doctors say they don't want to take any risks even though the two patients in Kentucky tested negative for the infection.

"The business of detecting it and finding out what it is, we're in good shape. If we get cases we need to be working more closely with the hospitals to see how we will manage individual cases," said Dr. Rice Leach, commissioner of health at the Fayette County Health Department. " But where did you get it, what is it, and who did you give it to? So far we're in great shape because we've practiced this thing three times going back as far as Anthrax, H1N1 and vaccine shortage 10 years ago."

Doctors will be taking every precaution necessary when it comes to patients who suffer Ebola-like symptoms.

Officials confirm the man diagnosed with Ebola in Texas Wednesday went to a Dallas ER in last week and, despite telling the hospital that he had been in disease-ravaged West Africa, they sent him home with antibiotics exposing him to dozens of people before he was brought back in, tested and diagnosed.

The hospital in Dallas released a statement saying it shows how easily an infection could be missed.

Now, about 80 people are being monitored for symptoms, that includes the 12 to 18 people who first came into contact with the infected man, as well as others those initial people had contact with.

The United Nations said Wednesday a staff member in Liberia died from "probable Ebola."

(The Associated Press contributed to this report.)

[nagantguy]

AHA!!!!

I've been wracking my brain to come up with an idea of what scenario will occur along about next summer or early fall that will cause an executive order to be issued terminating all POTUS and top Federal elected position voting proceedings indefinitely and the institution of widespread, Federal control by force. Someone made a joke about "don't worry about Hillary until bummer's third term is over" once and I thought yeah, why not a third term, he does whatever else he wants? Now it all makes sense: Feds distribute infected Mexican children throughout the US rather than deport them back to their native country, then allow them to spread some dread diseases, then put the final screws to freedom in the name of public welfare/disaster management/disease control, or "national emergency".

You heard it from me first! Taking tin foil hat off now....

Gear

Good to hear from you sir, haven't seen many posts from ya lately but I always enjoy em. I think there might be a lot to what you've said, hope you weren't kidding to draw out the crazies. Ever read the stand by King? Ebola and open boarders unless everyone manning the switches is retarded someone had something bad planned. Just saying

[Garyshome]

What did ayres say about 25 million people have to die in the US for the weather underground to be able to rule?

[Four-Sixty]

Can mosquitoes transmit Ebola?

[runfiverun]

it's a blood borne virus.

wasn't there a famous writer guy that wrote a book about airplanes crashing into the white house, and another book about the ebola virus starting up..
his main hero was jack ryan a cia type dude.
you remember him, he died from some mysterious circumstance about the same time one of his buddy's did from another mysterious circumstance.

anyway the ebola outbreak is probably going to be outpaced by that mysterious malady [virus thingy] affecting/killing kids in states where a bunch of ILLEGAL immigrants were just [coincidentally] bussed to.

[btroj]

Concerned yes, worried no.

Could this become a major problem in the US? Yes. Do I think it is likely? No.

It IS, or should be, a major wake up call regarding the spread of infectious disease in an era of easy, quick international travel.

[RED333]

More worried that anything.

[monadnock#5]

Chaos Theory. It's impossible to predict the unpredictable. What needs done is to study similar historical events. Like the Spanish Flu.

Look elsewhere in the world. If there's an Ebola outbreak in Brussels Belgium, patient Zero's first stop, be more than just a little frightened.

[dragon813gt]

I am not to concerned at the moment. But when it mutates and becomes airborne I will be very worried. If they don't contain this it will become airborne. The more people exposed to it the greater the chance of this happening. Not that if can't happen if contained to a small area anywhere in the world. It's just simple numbers.

What will happen is a run on a lot of items. The more people infected the harder it's going to be to find ammo and components again. People will freak out because the media will whip them into a frenzy. We would all be better off ignoring the hype.

It would also make complete sense to not allow anyone into the country from the infected areas. W/ it's incubation period this means anyone that's been there in the last few months. But since this makes complete sense our government will not do it.

[texassako]

Watching, but not really worried. It was pretty interesting seeing the Dallas health and human services director get interviewed. He was asked what would happen if the family did not stick to their required isolation and said he would just apply a stricter version in a manner they cannot bypass. His statement could lead to different things depending on how much tinfoil you wear.

[waksupi]

Chaos Theory. It's impossible to predict the unpredictable. What needs done is to study similar historical events. Like the Spanish Flu.

Look elsewhere in the world. If there's an Ebola outbreak in Brussels Belgium, patient Zero's first stop, be more than just a little frightened.

Probably not related.....

http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2014/08/belgium-suspected-ebola-case-hospitalized.html

[nagantguy]

Scary topic, always best to be prepared and rely on your self first and only believe what you can verify for your self. Side not nice to see all three amigos comment on a post!

[dtknowles]

Scary topic, always best to be prepared and rely on your self first and only believe what you can verify for your self. Side not nice to see all three amigos comment on a post!

Yes, rely on yourself and be prepared but with so little we can verify for ourselves do not disregard rumors or potentially suspect information. Gather, categorize, analyze and conclude, repeat as required.

Tim

[SSGOldfart]

Not concerned in the least.
Same here

[Duckiller]

Police are stationed outside the apartment where Mr. Duncan stayed. They didn't want to follow the rules for their quarantine. That and the number of potential contacts has gone from 80 to 100. May get a lot worse if someone in Belgium or Washington DC gets Ebola. Ther are whole bunches of things that are not known about Ebola. We may learn lots of things soon.

[TXGunNut]

ER personnel had a chance to nip this one in the bud last week, triage notes were not read and acted upon. Duncan watched folks die of Ebola last month, helped take care of them, on some level he knew he was infected.
Yes, I'm very concerned. I don't think the talking heads fully understand this deadly disease. If we understand this disease and know how to protect against it why are so many medical professionals among the victims? I know some docs & nurses are a bit lax in precautions but ones who focus on caring for Ebola patients? I think we have lots to learn about this disease, and I'm afraid it will no longer be necessary to travel to study it.

[popper]

When I was a kid you got the measles(I think), city put a quarantine label on your house. For everybody, no school, no work etc. basically, Fed, state & local screwed up. Just like cholera outbreak in the past. He knew he was exposed, lied his way to the states to get treated. Needs a few years in AZ pounding rocks.

[Cowboy_Dan]

I am ©r@p my pants scared right now especially since it makes you do that ... lolz.:kidding:

[Artful]

Please don't send Ebola to Arizona we have enough with the South/Central American carrier's coming here.


Duncan watched folks die of Ebola last month, helped take care of them, on some level he knew he was infected.

Which should be a criminal charge - like passing on AIDS on purpose.

[JWT]

Is there an Obamacare code for Ebola yet?

[pmer]

With our open door policy, it was just a matter of time.

I heard on the radio that back in the 1970's Ebola had a big bother that was the real deal. Originated as an animal illness it transfered to people and all they could do is put up blockaids and it would be done in a couple days.

[MaryB]

I put the blame on Obama and the government. Flights originating from Ebola areas should have been banned months ago. But then airlines would have lost money...

[Hickory]

The dinwits in charge and can do the most to curtail this Ebola outbreak are not concerned at all.
Bum Zero sent a bunch of troops to Africa, I think, to purposefully bring it back to the US.
As long as the democrats think the republicans are the ("greatest threat to civilitation") little or nothing will be done.

[762 shooter]

Now is the time to be buying your food and water goods if you need them. Now is the time to start mass loading your ammo. Now is the time to buy ammo instead of components. Now is the time for you to go get that AR you have been thinking of. Now is the time to ensure there is always a full tank of gas in the car. Now is the time to look at preparations.

When another case outside of the Texas fiasco occurs, the run begins.

Looks like RobertBank was right and I haven't bugged out immediately and instead popped in to say start preparing now.

At that, I'm white smoke in the wind.

I'm concerned ..............................................that LoveLife is concerned.

762

[Three44s]

Quarenteens used to be a tool ........... now it's not politically correct!

When I have a disease outbreak with our cattle of a similar nature (scours in baby calves) ....... we use sanitation (moving the cattle to completely new and clean grounds.

To drastically limit travel of people from the infected areas with Ebola to other areas of the world only makes good sense. I would not move sick cattle into healthy members ...... and I sure don't endorse moving sick people into healthy ones.

If you want to believe that an Ebola patient won't get to the US ........ well, I am sorry to remind you ........... THAT already happended ......... of course that person did not lie to get here ........ well, maybe but surely, another or three or five won't do that?

No ......... don't worry, the CDC and O'bumer are telling us to not worry ........ they got things "well in hand"!


Three 44s

[ShooterAZ]

I'm pretty dang concerned. I'll be really worried if/when another person in Texas or Belgium contracts it. With our loose borders, and us letting people who visit the epidemic stricken areas and return to the U.S....it's only a matter of time. We need to be more proactive on this one!

[pressonregardless]

But when it mutates and becomes airborne I will be very worried.

Not to worry, there are people working around the clock at CDC, WHO & Fort Detrick trying to make this happen.

[quilbilly]

Ever since I heard about the disease spreading in West Africa earlier this year, I concluded that the virus has mutated to become more communicable and possibly airborne. Am I concerned - you bet I am. Political correctness virtually guarantees it will get our shores and the ACLU will make sure it spreads unchecked (quarantines are an infringement of civil liberties to the PC crowd). It will be years before there is a vaccine. Political correctness is a suicide pact whether it is dealing with terrorism or this disease.

[Outpost75]

http://20committee.com/2014/10/03/the-ebola-crisis-and-medical-intelligence/

…..Given that the death rate among those infected with Ebola is roughly fifty percent (http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/what-is-the-ebola-virus-survival-rate-and-other-key-questions-about-the-epidemic-20140930) — and a good deal higher in underdeveloped regions like West Africa — serious concern is warranted…..Our self-reporting system for preventing diseases entering the United States has failed, and investigators are reaching out to a hundred or more travelers who might have been exposed to Ebola (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/health-officials-looking-100-possible-contacts-ebola-victim) as Thomas Duncan made his way from Liberia to Texas....

The Department of Defense (DoD), possesses the only full-fledged medical intelligence outfit on earth. The National Center for Medical Intelligence (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=118163) (NCMI), a component of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) located at Fort Detrick, Maryland. It’s been around, in one guise or another, since the Second World War, doing intelligence analysis of medical threats to the American military. DIA was given the medical intelligence mission in 1963, and since 1979 it’s resided at Fort Detrick…..being rebranded as NCMI in 2008, getting a $7.8 million facility upgrade two years later (http://www.fredericknewspost.com/archive/article_d81fa175-2de5-5109-830e-b71a5a534900.html?mode=jqm), since the agency had outgrown its spaces; in a typical Intelligence Community story, NCMI lacked sufficient office space and, critically, parking for its 150 staffers.

NCMI is made up of personnel from all the armed services plus DoD civilians. Many are doctors of various sorts, both M.D.s and Ph.D.s, specializing in the full range of relevant disciplines, above all epidemiology. Its mission is producing medical intelligence (known, of course, as MEDINT for short), which is defined by the Pentagon as:

That category of intelligence resulting from collection, evaluation, analysis, and interpretation of foreign medical, bio-scientific, and environmental information that is of interest to strategic planning and to military medical planning and operations for the conservation of the fighting strength of friendly forces and the formation of assessments of foreign medical capabilities in both military and civilian sectors….. NCMI tracks medical threats to the U.S. military and, more broadly, the United States. The Pentagon every day sends men and women into regions teeming with weird and often deadly diseases that are seldom encountered in the developed world, and it’s NCMI’s job to provide senior military and civilian decision-makers the specialized intelligence they need to understand and mitigate these threats…..

NCMI is made up of analysts, not collectors, and most of them are medical professionals who learn the intelligence trade, not the other way around. As NCMI’s director explained in 2012 (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=118163), “We take these very smart people and turn them into intelligence officers.” This center, while tiny by the standards of America’s vast seventeen-agency Intelligence Community, punches well above its weight, partnering closely with many IC agencies — there are liaison officers from the whole range of IC alphabet-soup agencies at NCMI, while they send experts out to work at those agencies in return — as well as a wide range of U.S. Government entities, including the Department of Agriculture and especially the Centers for Disease Control, who have fully cleared people embedded at Fort Detrick to facilitate collaboration and information-sharing. As an all-source intelligence analysis organization, NCMI is dependent on raw intelligence provided by other agencies — signals intelligence and satellite imagery, especially — as well as open-source reporting from many places. Surprising as it may sound to many Americans, the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Geospatial-intelligence Agency, among others, have longstanding intelligence requirements for things such as disease and epidemics, and it’s the job of NCMI to make sense of what’s coming in, since there aren’t many epidemiologists working at Langley or Fort Meade.

While NCMI puts out some very detailed and specialized reporting, it also provides DoD and the IC with assessments that, I can attest, are written in refreshingly normal English, since the average consumer of medical intelligence isn’t a medical professional, but a layperson who needs to understand the complex issues. NCMI has worried about Ebola for a long time, and here its Infectious Disease Division, which assesses potential epidemics in literally every country on earth, walks point. We can be assured that NCMI is providing Washington, DC, with detailed medical intelligence about the nature of the Ebola threat, both in West Africa and to the American homeland. This is vitally important, given the remote yet extant possibility that Ebola might mutate and be transmitted in any airborne fashion, which represents every epidemiologist’s nightmare scenario (http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-29168905). No doubt NCMI has some classified assessments on that too.

America has been spared serious worry about Ebola, and let’s hope that remains so. But hope is not a strategy, as every wise strategist knows, and we must soon begin contemplating unpleasant things like quarantines and travel bans to stave off catastrophe. Here NCMI and its medical intelligence will be critical to decision-makers in Washington, DC. Given recent revelations indicating a cavalier attitude towards intelligence in the Obama White House (http://20committee.com/2014/09/30/obamas-big-fat-intel-scandal/), let’s hope that NCMI reports are making their way to the highest levels of our government, and are being read closely.

[legend 550]

Not to worry, the CDC says only transmitted by body fluids therefore hard to spread. Isn't that what they said about AIDS ?

[ole 5 hole group]

Ebola infected people coming in undetected, in an attempt to get better treatment in the USA - that's troubling for sure but:

How would this play out? A dozen suicide bombers carrying the ebola virus instead of bomb vests. They go to northern Mexico and fraternize with inbound aliens. Or our own home grown jihadists meet with these ebola carriers in western resort areas and return with infected luggage, clothing etc and go about their daily activities.


Evil doers could do a little evil in this world right now, if we allow it.


Yup - one can come up with a lot of scary thoughts, but the scary thing about it is, it could actually happen with very little effort on the evil doers part with our current PC society. We'll all know a little more about this ebola thing in the next 90 days or so.

[PB234]

"On any given day, more than a dozen flights from Liberia are available. Travelers may purchase a ticket for as little as $1,386 that gets them from Monrovia, Liberia, to Washington, DC. In many cases, the flights include layovers in heavily populated US cities, such as in New York's John F. Kennedy Airport. "

[AZ-JIM]

Is it concerning ....absolutely


When I was a kid you got the measles(I think), city put a quarantine label on your house. For everybody, no school, no work etc. basically, Fed, state & local screwed up. Just like cholera outbreak in the past. He knew he was exposed, lied his way to the states to get treatment. Needs a few years in AZ pounding rocks.

No thanks, Texas can keep him. If you want to put him on a chain gang or something, which I fully agree he deserves, have him start working on the border fence and getting that closer to being done. When he is cured he can work his way west on the fence.

So where were the Customs agents when he went to Belgium from Liberia? Why didnt they staple a return to sender label on him and send him back? Where was Customs and the ever vigilant TSA when he came into the US?

az-jim

[Wise Owl]

USA Today had an article on the front page about a second ebola case in Texas. Sorry, no link to that at this time. I do have the following reports tho.
OH and there is supposed to be one at Bethesda in Baltimore.

Concerned yet?


Possible case in D.C. Link: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/...bola-symptoms/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/patient-hospitalized-in-d-c-with-possible-ebola-symptoms/)


Traveled from Nigeria to the United States and is now at the Howard University Hospital. Patient is exhibiting Ebola symptoms at this time.



http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/10/...ted-for-ebola/ (http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/report-inmate-at-cobb-county-jail-being-tested-for-ebola/)

Report: Inmate At Cobb County Jail Being Tested For Ebola
October 3, 2014 12:44 PM

COBB COUNTY, Ga. (CBS Atlanta/AP) — An inmate at the Cobb County Jail is reportedly being tested for Ebola.

WSB-TV reports that the man told jail officials he recently traveled to Africa after developing a fever while in custody.

He was arrested overnight and charged with DUI.

WSB reports that the jail is no longer accepting inmates at this time.

[Wise Owl]

You folks are not going to believe your eyes. The picture at the link is today. Oct 3rd. They are now going to go into the apartment and clean it 5 days after Duncan was sent to the hospital in the ambulance and 8 days after he went the first time around. Remember there are 4 people still in there that were exposed to him and under quarantine right now.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?455921-Dallas-Hospital-Monitoring-Patient-for-Ebola-CONFIRMED-EBOLA-IN-TEXAS-FIRST-IN-USA!&p=5370039#post5370039

If this wasn't so scary, it would be funny. Maybe sad?

And I have another pic for you.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?455921-Dallas-Hospital-Monitoring-Patient-for-Ebola-CONFIRMED-EBOLA-IN-TEXAS-FIRST-IN-USA!&p=5370004#post5370004

These guys are the head director and collegue from the Texas dept of health coming out of the apartment yesterday. No, they are not wearing personal protection gear. And the one guy in the purple shirt has a stethascope in his hands meaning he got close enough to these 4 people to listen to their hearts and lungs.

Lord help us.

[Wise Owl]

Video at link below

Fair use Cited
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Hazmat team is at quarantined Dallas apartment where Ebola patient stayed

By Jacque Wilson and Faith Karimi, CNN
updated 4:08 PM EDT, Fri October 3, 2014

(CNN) -- A hazardous materials team has arrived at the Dallas apartment where four contacts of U.S. Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan are under quarantine.

The family members -- Duncan's partner, who asked to be referred to only by her first name, Louise, along with her son and two nephews in their 20s -- have been ordered to stay home until October 19.

Cleaning Guys, a private company that specializes in hazardous materials and biohazard cleaning services, is collecting sheets, clothes and towels Duncan used, Dalls County Fire Mashal Robert De Los Santos said Friday afternoon. The materials will be placed in bags and then transported to a secure location; the entire process should take 30 to 40 minutes, he said.

Ebola can live outside the body on those kinds of materials, says CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta. The length of time it remains active depends on the environment -- from hours to days -- but it is possible for someone to contract the disease from touching those materials.

De Los Santos also said health officials plan on moving the family members to a new location but did not reveal any information on where or how this movement will happen.

A permit issue had been delaying the cleaning process, Brad Smith of Cleaning Guys said. Smith says a specialized permit is needed to transport this type of unprecedented hazardous waste on Texas highways.

Hazmat teams still do not have permits to dispose of the soiled items taken from the apartment, Dr. David Lakey of the Texas Department of State Health Services said Friday at a 1 p.m. telebriefing.

Ebola can spread through contact with an infected person's bodily fluids like blood, feces or vomit. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spokeswoman Abbigail Tumpey says the CDC considers materials contaminated with Ebola as regular medical waste, and as such, can be disposed of as medical waste. But she said the Department of Transportation considers Ebola to be a Category A agent, which means it's illegal to transport.

"The CDC and the DOT regulations have been in conflict. It's been an ongoing issue that we've been dealing with."

A federal Department of Transportation official with knowledge of the situation told CNN that by the end of the day, a special permit will be issued for a waste management company to remove Ebola-contaminated material in certain areas around Dallas.

More,

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/health...-us/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/health/ebola-us/index.html)

[Wise Owl]

I think I may be sick to my stomach after reading this one.....please do read it tho. These people in charge down there in TX are seriously stupid. OMG. This is a horror story. Bolded parts are my doing. Forget the bolding stuff. Just read it carefully then re-read it again.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...6a0_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/for-quarantined-relatives-in-us-ebola-case-extra-cautions-hope-and-prayer/2014/10/02/add51488-4a5f-11e4-891d-713f052086a0_story.html)



For quarantined relatives in U.S. Ebola case, extra cautions, hope and prayer

The family that hosted Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan could be confined for three weeks. Health officials are reaching out to as many as 100 people who may have had contact with Duncan or someone who knows him. (AP)
By Amy Ellis Nutt October 2 at 8:54 PM

DALLAS — Thomas Duncan shivered in the king-size bed, even though he was tucked under the covers and fully dressed — pants, socks and two shirts. It was Sunday morning, Sept. 28, and Duncan, from Liberia, had been in the United States visiting Louise Troh at her Dallas apartment for the past week. He felt weak and cold, he told Troh’s daughter, Youngor Jallah.

So Jallah took a quick trip to Wal-Mart and bought a $50 brown cotton blanket. When she returned, she draped it over Duncan’s shoulders and then gently lifted him by his back to try to get him to drink some hot tea. That’s when she looked into his eyes and knew in her heart that things were very bad.

“I’ve been seeing Ebola on TV, how it starts, with muscle pain, red eyes. When I see his eye, it is all red, and I think maybe this time it is Ebola virus and I should be careful,” Jallah, 35, said in an interview with The Washington Post at her nearby apartment, where she and her family have been quarantined.

She took his temperature — 102 degrees.

“I’m going to call an ambulance,” she said.
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As the overall death toll has risen to more than 3,300, the first U.S. case of the Ebola virus is diagnosed in Texas.
Oct. 3, 2014 Medical staff wearing protective clothes transport a man suffering from Ebola to the isolation ward at the University Clinic in Frankfurt, Germany. The man had been in Serria Leone, where he was working as a doctor. Boris Roessler/AFP via Getty Images

Duncan tried to resist. He had been to the hospital once already, several days earlier, and all they had done was send him home with antibiotics. Jallah didn’t listen to him. She dialed 911.

“My daddy is going to the bathroom constantly,” she told the operator, referring to Duncan, whom she considers her stepfather.

Fifteen minutes later, two paramedics knocked on the door. Jallah greeted the two men but told them that they couldn’t enter until they put on gloves and face*masks.

“He just come from Liberia,” she explained. “For safety, don’t touch anything. Viruses.”

She didn’t use the word Ebola, she said, because she didn’t know whether it was the lethal virus. All she knew was that Duncan was very ill and that Liberia was being devastated by the hemorrhagic fever. The paramedics asked Duncan to walk to the ambulance, which he did, but they would not let Jallah give him the blanket.

“He was still cold, and they had nothing to cover him with,” she said.

Jallah didn’t wait to watch the ambulance leave. All she had on her mind was getting to the hospital as quickly as she could, she said. She headed to her red Toyota minivan with the blanket in her arms, joined now by two cousins she had picked up earlier on her way to the Ivy Apartments and her father, Joe Joe Jallah.

(The Washington Post/Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

An hour later, the four family members were still sitting in the ER waiting room at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, waiting to hear when Duncan would be given a room.

“We’ll let you know,” a nurse said each time Youngor Jallah asked.

So the family continued to wait, watching people come and go through the emergency room. All the while, the neatly folded blanket that hours earlier had covered the first person in this country to be diagnosed with Ebola lay on the chair next to Jallah. The virus can be contagious on surfaces from a few hours to a couple days depending on the material and exposure to sunlight.

[Related: Can you catch Ebola from an infected blanket? Honestly, it depends.]

Finally, she was told that Duncan had been moved into a room on the first floor.

“But he’s in isolation,” a hospital staffer said. “No visitors.”

Reluctantly, Jallah and the others left the hospital and returned to Troh’s apartment. While a cousin swept the floors, Jallah placed the blanket she had bought back on her mother’s bed, sprayed disinfectant throughout the apartment and sprinkled liquid Clorox on the furniture.

“Don’t sleep in that bed,” she told Troh.

“Oh, you just bought that blanket,” her mother complained.

But Jallah was insistent. Later, she bought her mother sanitizers, a makeshift mattress and two new blankets.

No one in the family has seen Duncan since he left the apartment Sunday morning in an ambulance.

Also living in Troh’s apartment at the time were her son Timothy Wayne, 13, and two men in their 20s, a relative named Oliver Smallwood and a friend named Jeffrey Cole. The four are now quarantined in the apartment.

The night before Duncan was taken to the hospital, Jallah and her partner, Aaron Yah, had left their daughter and three sons, ages 2 to 11, with Troh for the night.

The children usually spent part of each evening with their grandmother because Jallah’s job as an overnight nursing assistant overlaps with Yah’s as a health aide. That Saturday night, the four kids slept overnight on their grandmother’s *couches.

On her way to the Ivy Apartments on Sunday morning, Jallah had called Yah to tell him that Duncan was ill and that he should come right away to take the children home.

Three days later, on Wednesday evening, Jallah and Yah were visited in their second-floor apartment by health officials from the state and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The officials took everyone’s temperature and told them that they should not leave the apartment.

“We don’t have any food,” Jallah said. “What do we do?”

She was told that she and Yah, but not the kids, could go to the store. The two health officials also said they would return every day to see how the family was doing.

On Thursday afternoon, as their 6-year-old daughter drew in a coloring book, the other children were flopped on the couches in the family’s living room, the big-screen TV turned to CNN. Crushed crackers and bits of toys littered the dark-brown rug.

Both Jallah and Yah seemed to be taking the restrictions in stride, although neither is able to go to work. More important, they say, all of them remain healthy.

On Wednesday, Jallah spoke with her mother, who told her daughter that she was feeling fine.

“Just pray to God,” Jallah said to her mother. “There’s nothing we can do. Ask God for everyone to be okay.”

Jallah and Yah are careful not to shake the hands of visitors and when someone leaves, they use a sanitizing wipe to turn the doorknob to let the person out.

[smokeywolf]

All travelers from Liberia should be required to take the White House tour within 48 hrs. of arrival in this Country. And, for an extra treat, be sure they get a good, "comprehensive" tour of the food prep areas.

I live in a State where our governor is the white version zerobama. On top of that, we've got the likes of Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer. We're a border State where gov. moonbeam has laid out the red carpet for criminal aliens to come on across and we will forcibly take money away from U.S. citizens to pay for your irresponsible acts of reproduction.

Irresponsible president, irresponsible Sec. of State, irresponsible governor, irresponsible representatives, a porous Southern border, yeah I'm a bit worried.

smokeywolf

[shooter93]

On the up side????????....I'm sure the vaccine is being made in vast quantities.....enough for POTUS and the politicians and alphabet agencies of the US and of course the IRS so they can collect taxes from the few people in the population who survive.....just not enough for you. See....the country can survive a pandemic.

[Blacksmith]

It has not hit the fan yet but it is getting close. You might want to stock up for an extended period away from other people, I don't want to be making multiple trips to the store where there are a lot of other people.

Here are some resources for you:
WHO Information resources on Ebola virus disease
http://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/ebola/en/

How to clean and disinfect. Something to print out while you still have the internet and power.
http://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/ebola/whoemcesr982sec5-6.pdf

[GhostHawk]

If I lived in Texas I'd be a LOT more concerned than I am.

By the time it makes it's way up here it is going to be COLD out.

If and when it happens it might be that I have to meet people at the door and decide if they can come in or not.
But, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

I do have a couple of worry's.

A They keep saying that it takes transfer of fluids to pass it. But fluid's can be in theory as small as a droplet created by a sneeze.

B What if now is the time it decides to mutate into something airborne?
In theory it is possible for infections to change their means of attack.

I have no intention of going anywhere. But this home just might get turned into a castle.

[tja6435]

I don't find this to be something to be nonchalant about, it has very real possibility of becoming a huge event that could cripple the country.

[BrassMagnet]

All of the epidemics start with "patient" zero. We are there with many people exposed. I am very much concerned.

If you do a little digging, it should be clear that ebola has become airborne transmissible. This is a huge jump in contagion risk. It is no long "bodily fluid contact only."
With enough patients, modern medical care becomes impossible.

Now look at the care in containing ebola the patients received:

Patient 1 went to ER reporting ebola and travel in Liberia. Associated with patients and staff. ER sent him home.
Returned in much worse condition, vomiting in ambulance. Exposed three ambulance staff. Ambulance quickly cleaned and used to transport more patients before being withdrawn from use. How many more exposed?

Patient two, an associate of #1.

Patient #1 or #2 associated with children. Didn't these children go to school?

Now how well are they clamping down on it?

Are you sure you are complacent?

Not just a little panic stricken?

I am so glad our Gov't knows exactly what they are doing and have all of the hospitals in America doing such a great job with ebola.

[Wise Owl]

Cold weather is actually better for ebola to survive in. Hot weather kills it in the wild faster. It takes 8 hours of direct sunshine to kill the virus. It will survive in wet substances for around 40 days. On dry surfaces about 50 days providing there is no strong UV on it.

Getting to know entirely too much about this virus. Way more than anyone should have to know unless they are a microbiologist that is.

Very happy to see you folks are awake and keeping track of this. We are also in a nice spot to just stay home and avoid people. It helps to be retired in this instance.
You don't want to be in any crowded places.

[MaryB]

Wonder how well it survives at below freezing temps? Like below zero f?

[HarryT]

I wonder if Jallah really kept the $50 brown blanket or did she return it to Walmart when she purchased the sanitizers, mattress, and two blankets. Mr. Duncan's blanket could be on someone else's bed.
Emergency rooms will soon be swamped with people who think they have Ebola symptoms.

[Dakoma]

I am reading in a case of a bad outbreak of this Ebola Marshal can be ordered by the President and gun confiscation !
This come from a Tea Party email I got , Congress has given Obummer the go ahead should it happen !
I did not like the idea of 2 Doctors flown in from West Africa with Ebola to Atlanta , GA. , if they wanted to study the Virus they should have left them there and went to study it and not bring it here ! On Fox news there was one case of Ebola but they would not say where in TN it was and now it is in Texas too !

[possom813]

I'm concerned ..............................................that LoveLife is concerned.

762


I couldn't agree with that statement anymore than if I'd typed it myself.

[facetious]

I am with post #65. If you have a bunch of people willing to blow them selves up what is to stop them from infecting them selves just before thy get on the plane and then flying to every country in the western world where thy are met and taken some place where thy then infect who knows how many who then get in there cars and then go to every place thy can to spread it? If thy could get just one person to every state where thy hook up with a group in that state who then infect them selves and thy take off to spread it to as many towns as thy can it would overwhelm the whole system. Thy could hit urban and rural towns. How long can you hide in a hole in the ground till the infection starts getting closer to you? If you start shooting them thy just run off to bleed all over every thing thy can and now it is even worse than it was. What are you going to do if it is some one in your family?

If you have enough people willing to sacrifice them selves how fast could thy spread it? And how fast could it snow ball out of control ? Not every one has to be a terrorist, most could be victims looking for help and still be spreading it. Now what?

[JSnover]

On the up side????????....I'm sure the vaccine is being made in vast quantities.....enough for POTUS and the politicians and alphabet agencies of the US and of course the IRS so they can collect taxes from the few people in the population who survive.....just not enough for you. See....the country can survive a pandemic.
The only Ebola vaccine I've heard of is experimental. If they only give it to elected officials, that's fine with me!

[JSnover]

I am reading in a case of a bad outbreak of this Ebola Marshal can be ordered by the President and gun confiscation !
This come from a Tea Party email I got , Congress has given Obummer the go ahead should it happen !
How much money did they ask you for? Martial Law and gun confiscation have been central themes of political junk mail for decades, Ebola is just the latest twist.

[C. Latch]

How much money did they ask you for? Martial Law and gun confiscation have been central themes of political junk mail for decades, Ebola is just the latest twist.

Nailed it!

[popper]

AzJim - we don't have enough big hard rocks here, prison gangs usually out to pick up trash but haven't even seen them lately. Guess the ALCU stopped that. Maybe interior AK? One of the exposed kids went to school the day after and was told to 'go home'. Jenkins (judge on Dallas city council - who is obviously running for a better office as he intervenes in everything - + big Obummer supporter) got the quarantined moved to a private residence, cleanup crew washed the vomit off the sidewalk with a hose, kinky Dallas sheriff ordered unprotected workers to present a moving order to his apt., DA finally thinking of charging with aggravated assault - NOT terrorist activity. News reports show that reaction (+reaction time to threat) is sorely lacking across the US. Just like the cholera, late & very poor response & individuals NOT being responsible for others safety. Hey just normal human reaction, not my problem.
Oh, cumputer software glitch caused hosp. to be unaware he had traveled from Liberia - software used for > 10 years! Yea, right. Too busy covering their posterior.

[BrassMagnet]

How much money did they ask you for? Martial Law and gun confiscation have been central themes of political junk mail for decades, Ebola is just the latest twist.

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean I don't have enemies!

[Wis. Tom]

We have a govt. regime that has an excuse for everything, and it is never their fault. As it is written, the people under them suffer. Wimping out, excuses, lies, coverups, corruption, is like a disease, if your boss or higher up is doing it, then it spreads through the ranks.

[waksupi]

Can anyone name for me one thing the government has ever done efficiently?

[ShooterAZ]

Can anyone name for me one thing the government has ever done efficiently?

Waste money?

[JSnover]

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean I don't have enemies!
True enough.
Speaking strictly for myself, I'm not concerned about martial law, gun confiscation or Ebola. Martial law is a distant possibility, in spite of the current climate. It could happen but I don't think we're as close as some people think. Ditto confiscation. Connecticut promised to do it... but then they quietly backed off, just like I thought they would.
Neither will be necessary if you ask me. As we devolve politically and socially, we will be a nation of sheep (more than we already are) and Big Brother will have won with a lot less kicking and screaming.
Ebola is simply not as big a threat as people make it out to be. If you lived in Africa you'd have a better chance of catching it. If you caught it in Africa you'd have a better chance of dying from it. Ten years from now, after ObamaCare has totally destroyed the U.S. healthcare system, we might well die from a hundred other more minor diseases. But for now I don't think it will be the epidemic everyone is screaming about.
Hey, if I'm wrong we'll hook up after the collapse, we can barter ammo for food or something...

[BrassMagnet]

Can anyone name for me one thing the government has ever done efficiently?


Waste and steal your money!

[JSnover]

From what I'm reading, even in underdeveloped countries if it is detected early and the patient gets supportive care the fatality rate drops to about 25%. That's not good but it sure beats 90%. This guy in Dallas has 2-4 weeks to live... unless the treatment works, which is basically fluid and electrolyte replacement (think cholera: generally not fatal if you can stay hydrated), pain/fever reduction.
I don't mean to say this is no big deal, just that it's too early to panic. Heck, I work in Trenton, NJ. My daily commute poses a more imminent risk than Ebola.

[btroj]

Waste money?

With absolute abandon.

They also excel at arrogance.

[Outpost75]

According to the Center for Aerobiological Sciences, U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland:
(1) Ebola has an aerosol stability that is comparable to Influenza-A
(2) Much like Flu, Airborne Ebola transmissions need Winter type conditions to maximize Aerosol infection
“Filoviruses, which are classified as Category A Bioterrorism Agents by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Atlanta, GA), have stability in aerosol form comparable to other lipid containing viruses such as influenza A virus, a low infectious dose by the aerosol route (less than 10 PFU) in NHPs, and case fatality rates as high as ~90% .”
“The mode of acquisition of viral infection in index cases is usually unknown. Secondary transmission of filovirus infection is typically thought to occur by direct contact with infected persons or infected blood or tissues. There is no strong evidence of secondary transmission by the aerosol route in African filovirus outbreaks. However, aerosol transmission is thought to be possible and may occur in conditions of lower temperature and humidity which may not have been factors in outbreaks in warmer climates [13]. At the very least, the potential exists for aerosol transmission, given that virus is detected in bodily secretions, the pulmonary alveolar interstitial cells, and within lung spaces”
Its clear that when Ebola is in the air it is at least as hardy as Influenza. Its also clear that coughing and sneezing is what makes Influenza airborne; the same should be expected of Ebola.
Moreover, just as sun, heat, and humidity along the Earths’ Equatorial regions serve to ‘burn’ Influenza out of the air, the same should be expected of Ebola. The difference with Ebola is that physical contact with even the tiniest amounts of infected bodily fluid can cause infection, hence unlike flu it also readily spreads in equatorial regions. When Ebola spreads to the regions of the Earth which experience Fall and Winter Flu seasons, airborne Ebola infectious routes are to be expected in conjunction with direct contact infection.
Ebola has the capability to infect pretty much every cell in the entire human respiratory tract. Similarly, our skin offers little resistance to even the smallest amounts of Ebola. How much airborne transmission will occur will be a function of how well Ebola induces coughing and sneezing in its victims in cold weather climates. Coughing and nasal bleeding are both reported symptoms in Africa, so the worst should be expected. In that regard, co-infections with Flu, Cold, or even seasonal Allergies will readily transform Ebola victims into biowarefare factories.
Unlike Flu, a person need not inhale airborne Ebola to be infected via airborne transmission. Merely walking through an airspace (or touching the objects therein) where an Ebola victim has coughed or sneezed is potentially enough for a cold weather infection to occur. As such, all indicators are that Ebola’s potential rate of infectious spread in cold weather climates is EXPLOSIVELY greater than what is occurring in Equatorial Africa
In that regard, the government’s Filovirus Animal Nonclinical Group [FANG] is standardizing on a Airborne Ebola Infectious “challenge” of 1000 PFU that all proposed medical countermeasures must defeat in order to gain acceptance.
Given that the experts are keenly aware that most mutations lead to viral dead ends and given the ARMY’s public research documents make such a clear case that the Ebola airborne risk is here and now, the question remains: why are the experts pushing a “future mutation” fear on the public?
The primary benefits of the media mutation gambit are:
1) When the public becomes aware Ebola is airborne, the public will default to blaming a mutation rather blaming the experts for having prior knowledge of Ebola’s transmissability
2) A scary future fear makes for great immediate fund raising from a public seeking to avoid it.
3) The expert clique comes down hard on experts that do anything which is perceived to immediately raise public fear, an accurate warning to the public can immediately negatively affect a forthright expert’s budget and prestige
4) Public knowledge of imminent Public Health threats negatively affects supply chains and the logistics planned responses
The next time some expert pushes the Ebola mutation risk ask them to specify exactly what mutations would be required to do as they claim. When they refuse, ask why experts spelled out the mutation steps of Avian Influenza and why they won’t for Ebola. The answer is: Ebola can already infect pretty much every cell in the human respiratory system
Here are links to the original story
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/us-army-says-ebola-flu-in-airborne-stability-needs-winter-weather-to-go-airborne/
The author correlates ebola to other filovirii and goes from there based on his research. His claimed Sources:
http://vet.sagepub.com/content/50/3/514.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4113787/

[jaystuw]

Running a country is never cheap or easy. America likely does it the best. Anyone Aware of a country and govt. that works better than the United States?

Statistically, the Scandinavian countries offer the best quality of life. However, they are socialist, anyone more happy with that?

How about the rest of the world? Is there a better deal elsewhere? Not really, most people on the planet live in a hut with a dirt floor and survive at a hand to mouth level.

All of us on castboolits won the lottery by living in the United States. And like it or not the Dems are part of making this wonderful thing happen. We, the people that live in america, you and I, have it the best of any population in the whole history of the world! Bold statement, can any among you disagree?

Yea! on thinking about that, I can't believe my great good luck! I'm in the best circumstances of almost anyone that's ever lived! Perfect way to start the day. Jay

[Hickory]

All of us on castboolits won the lottery by living in the United States. And like it or not the Dems are part of making this wonderful thing happen. We, the people that live in America, you and I, have it the best of any population in the whole history of the world! Bold statement, can any among you disagree?
Jay

Yes, I'll disagree.
Your statement,


you and I, have it the best of any population in the whole history of the world!

Yes we do, but this didn't happen because the government robbed the rich and gave to the lazy,
It happened because we fought and got our freedom, and with that freedom we had opportunity, and with that opportunity we as a nation sought and achieved our goals of prosperity. This was not winning life's lottery, it was becoming prosperous because of freedom and opportunity.

Your precious democrats have done everything imaginable to take from the American people their freedom their opportunity and their prosperity (Money).

[quilbilly]

Outpost75 - Thanks for the reality check on the political benefits to the bureaucracy of the "mutation gambit". The only reason I thought of the mutation possibility was how much more quickly the virus seemed spreading last spring in West Africa than in previous outbreaks. The info you are bringing to the table here at the board is much appreciated. I guess we will all find out how serious this situation really is in about three weeks.

[BrassMagnet]

Outpost75 - Thanks for the reality check on the political benefits to the bureaucracy of the "mutation gambit". The only reason I thought of the mutation possibility was how much more quickly the virus was spreading last summer in West Africa than in previous outbreaks. The info you are bringing to the table here at the board is much appreciated. I guess we will all find out how serious this situation is in about three weeks.

Darn. Why did you make me do the math?
Because you are mean?
Because the reported cases are already 100+ and we haven't even reached the incubation period end yet?

[BrassMagnet]

Why can't we just feel good about how great a handle out Gov't has on this long enough for it to spread everywhere in America?

[Wise Owl]

BREAKING NEWS: CDC officials rush to Newark Airport to meet Liberian passenger showing Ebola symptoms
BREAKING NEWS: CDC officials rush to Newark Airport to meet Liberian passenger flying from Brussels who 'showed symptoms of Ebola'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FCcXJC6V (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2780696/BREAKING-NEWS-CDC-officials-rush-Newark-Airport-meet-Liberian-passenger-flying-Brussels-showed-symptoms-Ebola.html#ixzz3FCcXJC6V)

CDC officials have rushed to Newark Liberty International Airport after a passenger believed to be from Liberia showed symptoms of Ebola.
The man traveling with his daughter on a United Airlines flight from Brussels was reported vomiting as they landed in New Jersey.
They were both removed from the plane by a CDC crew in full Hazmat attire, ABC reported.


Other passengers were told to remain on the aircraft as the pair were taken away.
The man is believed to have flown from Liberia via Brussels, Belgium - the same route taken by Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States.
Duncan is now being treated for the disease in Dallas, Texas, and 10 people linked to him have been classed as 'high risk'.


'Upon arrival at Newark Airport from Brussels, medical professionals instructed that customers and crew of United flight 988 remain on board until they could assist an ill customer,' the statement said.
'We are working with authorities and will accommodate our customers as quickly as we can.'
Welsh passenger Paul Chard tweeted a picture of immigration officials on board the plane, adding: 'Drama on the flight from BRU, pax taken off by CDC, we are stuck on the plane, Immigration staff now on!'
The incident comes just a day after the government conceded that its handling of the crisis has so far been 'rocky' as Thomas Duncan is treated for the disease in Texas and 10 people are now classed as 'high risk'.
The handling of the Dallas case in the early stages of Duncan's illness has raised questions about how prepared local and national health officials were to handle that case and whether people were unnecessarily exposed.


Dr Anthony Fauci, a director at the National Institutes of Health, insisted to reporters at the White House that although it 'may be entirely conceivable' that there would be another Ebola case in the United States, the strength of the healthcare infrastructure 'would make it extraordinarily unlikely that we would have an outbreak.'
Authorities have narrowed their focus to about 50 people who had direct or indirect contact with the infected Liberian visitor, including 10 at high risk who are being checked twice daily for symptoms.
Dr Fauci said contact tracing is 'now' going on, five days after Duncan was hospitalized.
Officials were asked at a news conference why the patient was able to get past screening in his journey from Liberia on September 19 and then be sent home after telling a Dallas hospital a few days later about his travel to a country where there had been an Ebola outbreak.
The case has put authorities and the public on alert over concerns that the worst epidemic of Ebola on record could spread from West Africa, where it began in March. The World Health Organization on Friday updated its death toll to at least 3,439 out of 7,492 suspected, probable and confirmed cases. The epidemic has hit hardest in impoverished Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.
At Friday's news conference, White House adviser Lisa Monaco was asked whether she would recommend to President Barack Obama that he impose a travel ban on West Africa, as some public officials have called for.
'Right now we believe those types of steps actually impede the response,' Monaco said.




THEN we get this off Twitter.....(you won't believe it, or maybe you will)

10m
Editor's note: ABC News is reporting that the passenger removed from United Airlines flight 998 at Newark, N.J., airport had flu-like symptoms, according to unnamed officials. A source tells ABC that the passenger was determined not to be contagious and other passengers were allowed to leave the plane. We're watching for official confirmation. - Stephanie

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-off...ry?id=25965383 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-officials-meet-flight-passenger-shows-ebola-symptoms/story?id=25965383)

[Wise Owl]

From what I'm reading, even in underdeveloped countries if it is detected early and the patient gets supportive care the fatality rate drops to about 25%. That's not good but it sure beats 90%. This guy in Dallas has 2-4 weeks to live... unless the treatment works, which is basically fluid and electrolyte replacement (think cholera: generally not fatal if you can stay hydrated), pain/fever reduction.
I don't mean to say this is no big deal, just that it's too early to panic. Heck, I work in Trenton, NJ. My daily commute poses a more imminent risk than Ebola.

The CDC just escorted a man from Liberia and his daughter off a plane in Newark. And then they let the rest of the passengers LEAVE the plane...........!
I am happy you are ok with this. Maybe get a few N100 masks and some gloves to keep in your car seeing as you live in an area that "may" have contagious traveling thru it after this afternoon.

Just a suggestion.....

[cbrick]

All of us on castboolits won the lottery by living in the United States. And like it or not the Dems are part of making this wonderful thing happen.

Actually Jay, it happened in spite of the democrats.

Rick

[Recluse]

My concern is over the incredible amount of wrong information, disinformation and nonchalance that have all combined to make this something to truly be concerned over.

Whoever posted the "have you touched something. . ." needs a reality check. A person need not be exhibiting signs or be symptomatic to be infectious with Ebola. Therein is what makes this virus so damned dangerous.

The 25% "cure rate" with "decent care and early diagnosis?"

WHERE?

Some three-plus decades ago, me and a handful of other military folks had occasion to be briefed by the Army's infectious diseases team prior to a mission we had in south central Africa. What I learned about some of the viruses and bacteria that roam freely in that continent--along with the morbidity rate if you contracted them--scared me like nothing else in this lifetime has ever scared me.

We're not in a panic in our family, but I have two grandsons attending a public school that is on the outer edge of the perimeter where people are being "observed" for symptoms. One more incident or "discovery," and I've already talked to our daughter and SIL and we're pulling the kids from school.

Outpost75 has offered the best and most accurate information on Ebola in this entire thread. What should be even more frightening to the non-veterans here is something we vets already know: the military tends to drastically downplay the significance of disease, mechanical failures, etc. Remember--in the military world, it's always "operator error." But when the Army itself is this blunt and to the point, it would do good for some folks to wise up and pay heed.

As far as some Al Queda terrorist types infecting themselves just so they could come to America or anywhere else as a "bio weapon" Sorry, but that's laughable. A suicide bomber dies in an instant. An Ebola victim takes ten to fifteen days to die and is basically eaten alive from the inside out via blood-bearing organs. Excruciating only covers about ten percent of the actual horror and pain one suffers if afflicted by this disease and it runs its course. Morphine won't touch the pain in the final stages.

Terrorists are cowards. I don't see many of them choosing to die this way.

:coffee:

[Wise Owl]

VIA PFI

Emphasis mine.

Sick passenger investigated for Ebola at Newark airport

By Philip Messing, Jennifer Bain and Andrea Hay

October 4, 2014 | 2:25pm

http://nypost.com/2014/10/04/sick-pa...ewark-airport/ (http://nypost.com/2014/10/04/sick-passenger-investigated-for-ebola-at-newark-airport/)

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/ebola41.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials scrambled to meet a United Airlines flight from Brussels at Newark Airport on Saturday afternoon, after a passenger believed to be from Liberia exhibited signs of the deadly Ebola virus.

The queasy passenger — who a law enforcement source said had been vomiting — and his daughter, who appeared to be about 10 years old, were fitted with surgical masks and escorted from United Airlines Flight 998 by CDC personnel wearing white HazMat uniforms.

The father and daughter, whose names were not released, were rushed to quarantine at University Hospital in Newark, the law enforcement source said.

The father was outfitted from neck to toe in his own HazMat uniform, his face still masked, as he was wheeled into the hospital’s trauma center.

At least some of the remaining 261 people on board were then cleared to go through customs, the source said.

All told, the passengers of United Airlines flight 998 were held inside the jet at Terminal B’s Gate 53 for about two hours after the Boeing 777-200 twin engine jet landed just after 12 pm.

“Everyone off, no restrictions, pax plus 1 taken off by CDC in hazmats,” passenger Paul Chard, 50, of Florida, told The Post via Twitter just after 2 p.m., using “pax” to mean passenger.

“80 minutes to get CDC on plane, no chances taken,” he added.

Drama on the flight from BRU, pax taken off by CDC, we are stuck on the plane, Immigration staff now on! pic.twitter.com/fQYieQRAPK

— Paul Chard (@paul_chard63) October 4, 2014

It is unclear how many Liberians had been on the plane. Brussels airlines had a Friday night flight out of Monrovia, Liberia’s capital; that flight connected to United Airlines, according to online records.

“The crew reported (during the flight) that a person was vomiting, and that Liberians were aboard the plane,” a law enforcement source told The Post.

“The person throwing up is believed to be Liberian,” the source said.

The jet had just completed a seven-hour flight across the Atlantic, and as it sat at Gate 53, Terminal B, the two-hour wait seemed to be an eternity to family members at the airport.

“It’s a concern not only for me but for every one of us,” Liberian Jah Zauyan, 44, said as he waited for three friends, who are also Liberian, to deplane.

“We don’t want this virus to spread … You hope it’s nothing. We don’t know how long they will keep them or where they will bring them. This is scary for the sick one,” Zauyan added.

“Someone comes to a strange land and they have to grab them and take them somewhere.”

Better here than in Africa, noted Liberian native Joshua Brown, as he waited for friends at Gate 53. By 4 p.m., he was still waiting — and indication that passengers whose flights had originated in Liberia were being held longer.

“I’m not worried for them,” Brown told The Post of his friends. ‘Because they are coming from Africa, and America is a better place to be” if you have Ebola, he noted.

“All the people brought here are cured from Ebola, but there they die. America is a great country.”


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[Wise Owl]

I have to assume this guy is correct seeing as he has studied ebola for 20 years now.


Top Ebola Virologist: Liberia's Airport Checks 'Useless' and a 'Disaster'

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...ck-of-Training (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/10/03/Top-Ebola-Virologist-Liberia-s-Airport-Checks-Useless-a-Disaster-Due-to-Lack-of-Training)

Virologist Heinz Feldmann, who has studied Ebola for 20 years and is currently working on one of several experimental vaccines for the virus, warned in a September interview that the airport was the place in Monrovia where he felt the most unsafe, and that screening for Ebola at the airport was a "disaster."

In an interview with Science Magazine in September, Feldmann, who had recently returned from three weeks in Monrovia, explains that the front lines in west Africa against the Ebola virus are by far the most dangerous; those working for organizations like Doctors Without Borders live under the constant threat of contracting the virus. Feldmann notes that he himself did not feel unsafe working in Liberia because his work was academic, and thus enclosed with the virus, rather than the patients:

Patients are like virus factories producing up to a hundred million virus particles per milliliter of blood, and a patient is unpredictable; a patient could cough, could spit at you, vomit on you, or even become aggressive and attack you. So these people really have the highest risk and have the highest burden.

Feldmann confesses that the place at which he felt the least safe was the airport, calling it the place of "highest risk." For example, screening occurs in areas confined enough that those being screened are likely to come into contact with the virus should an Ebola patient be among them. Furthermore, screeners are so poorly trained that they often cannot even properly measure temperature.

"They are checking your temperature three times before you get into the airport, but if you look at the people that do this kind of work, they don't really know how to use the devices," Feldmann explains. "They are writing down temperatures of 32°C, which everybody should know is impossible for a living person." Feldmann calls for major overhauls in the system, as he asserts that the checks are "completely useless" and "just a disaster."

In the weeks subsequent to the interview with Feldmann, a Liberian citizen from Monrovia, Thomas Eric Duncan, arrived in Texas having contracted Ebola. Duncan, who touched an Ebola victim while trying to help her take a taxi to the hospital, claimed on airport screening forms that he had not come into contact with anyone appearing to have Ebola symptoms, something for which the government of Liberia has vowed to prosecute Duncan. In announcing plans to prosecute, officials admitted the screenings were largely an honor system in which passengers were expected to be forthright on their documents.


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[jaysouth]

TheCDDisonit,nothingtoworryaboutitcanttakeholdhere weknowwhatwearedoingifyoulikeyourdoctoryoucankeepy ourdoctoryourpremiumswillgodown2,500peryearthiswil lbethemostethicanandtransparentadministrationinhis torywewilltransformamericaasweknowitnow,wouldIliet oyou? et cetra,ad nausium

[Hickory]

TheCDDisonit,nothingtoworryaboutitcanttakeholdhere weknowwhatwearedoingifyoulikeyourdoctoryoucankeepy ourdoctoryourpremiumswillgodown2,500peryearthiswil lbethemostethicanandtransparentadministrationinhis torywewilltransformamericaasweknowitnow,wouldIliet oyou? et cetra,ad nausium

Slow down and take a breath.

[ShooterAZ]

Ok... the sky is now falling.

[BrassMagnet]

If the medical tourism for patient #1 fails to work out well due to the delay in actually beginning treatment, could that convince others their chances are actually better if their treatment starts earlier in Liberia?

[Hamish]

Running a country is never cheap or easy. America likely does it the best. Anyone Aware of a country and govt. that works better than the United States?

Statistically, the Scandinavian countries offer the best quality of life. However, they are socialist, anyone more happy with that?

How about the rest of the world? Is there a better deal elsewhere? Not really, most people on the planet live in a hut with a dirt floor and survive at a hand to mouth level.

All of us on castboolits won the lottery by living in the United States. And like it or not the Dems are part of making this wonderful thing happen. We, the people that live in america, you and I, have it the best of any population in the whole history of the world! Bold statement, can any among you disagree?

Yea! on thinking about that, I can't believe my great good luck! I'm in the best circumstances of almost anyone that's ever lived! Perfect way to start the day. Jay


Ive had you on Ignore for a very long time, but just for fun I thought
I would see if you still had your down riggers out.

Yup.

(BTW, don't bother answering back, I only looked at this thread to see what Brass Magnet had to say, I wont be back, so it would be futile.)

_____________

Ohp, forgot to add, was listening to a lady on Radio saying we need to read between the lines of the CDC insisting in its prepared statements. She believes that sooner, not later, this thing WILL become airborne. (Did not catch her name but was apparently a big wig in the field.)

Go back and re read what Recluse said, especially the part about the military,,,,,,,,,

[Wise Owl]

As long as you have him on ignore, you won't have to read his replies, lol.

The latest news is there are patients in Austin, TX, UM Medical center, MA, being isolated. Also the Dr. Sacra is back in the hospital after supposedly being cured of ebola in Nebraska, but in his hometown in MA. They say it's upper resperitory but have him isolated anyway and doing tests to see if the ebola is back. Personally I think it stays in the bodies for awhile even of those who make it thru the first round. I forget how long now.

I will post news as it comes. The links on the first page of this thread have lots of information still ongoing for anyone who wants the details of who and where. Most of the cases being isolated in the US came from Liberia. Thinking we will see some more popping up in the Dallas area real soon. No way they have that under control, at least not yet.

[USAFrox]

Running a country is never cheap or easy. America likely does it the best. Anyone Aware of a country and govt. that works better than the United States?

Statistically, the Scandinavian countries offer the best quality of life. However, they are socialist, anyone more happy with that?

How about the rest of the world? Is there a better deal elsewhere? Not really, most people on the planet live in a hut with a dirt floor and survive at a hand to mouth level.

All of us on castboolits won the lottery by living in the United States. And like it or not the Dems are part of making this wonderful thing happen. We, the people that live in america, you and I, have it the best of any population in the whole history of the world! Bold statement, can any among you disagree?

Yea! on thinking about that, I can't believe my great good luck! I'm in the best circumstances of almost anyone that's ever lived! Perfect way to start the day. Jay

America has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the entire world, which is why we've been hemorrhaging jobs to other countries for years. Guess who made the tax rates that high? Democrats, largely.

The labor participation rate just fell to 62.7%, which is a low not seen since the 1970's, despite Obama's fictitious "low" unemployment rates they just published ahead of the elections in less than a month. This is directly related to democrat fiscal policies, and a democrat administration's failures.

we could go on with example after example, but it is clear that democrats are almost always fighting against the very things that made America the best place in the world to live.

Free market capitalism is what made America great. Socialism, a la democrats, is what is destroying this country.

[dragon813gt]

Read an article in USAtoday this morning. It was saying not to shun people have been potentially exposed to it. Why would I not shun them and want to stay away from them? More importantly why aren't they self imposing a quarantine on themselves. Oh that's right, because this is America where it's all about me me me.

[375supermag]

Hi...

A little late to this discussion, but...

I don't trust the government to tell the truth, particularly under the current administration.
I see no evidence that they are being truthful, so...I will stay vigilant and stay at much more than arms length from anybody I come in contact with who appears ill in any manner.
I will continue to use my face mask and gloves at work and wash my hands constantly and wipe everything down with alcohol wipes. I work in a food processing/ manufacturing/packaging facility, so I am aware of the GMPs (good manufacturing practices) and sometimes carry them to an extreme point, just to avoid the possibility of cross-contamination.

[Wise Owl]

I will continue to use my face mask and gloves at work and wash my hands constantly and wipe everything down with alcohol wipes.

Alcohol won't kill ebola virus. Bleach will tho. Clorox has wiped now with bleach in them so it makes them anti-viral/anti-bacterial. I just purchased a big tub of those and will pick up a couple more tomorrow. We have one in the console in the car and I want a couple more for the house.
You can also make up a water/bleach solution and put it into a spray bottle. I believe it's 1 part bleach to 10 parts water. Then use that to spray stuff you bring into the house from the store or wherever.

When I go into the grocery store I use the wipes they provide on the cart and put that wipe into the cart to wipe stuff down as I put it in there. I use another one to clean my hands leaving the store before getting back into the car.

Going to have to be really proactive about this stuff. Keep a couple masks and some disposable gloves in the car to use if it gets really contagious or just stay home.


In other news, they have quarantined a whole apartment building in Kansas City and also the hospital they took the occupant to. She just came here from.................Liberia.......
Who'd a thunk that, eh?

[BrassMagnet]

Alcohol won't kill ebola virus. Bleach will tho. Clorox has wiped now with bleach in them so it makes them anti-viral/anti-bacterial. I just purchased a big tub of those and will pick up a couple more tomorrow. We have one in the console in the car and I want a couple more for the house.
You can also make up a water/bleach solution and put it into a spray bottle. I believe it's 1 part bleach to 10 parts water. Then use that to spray stuff you bring into the house from the store or wherever.

When I go into the grocery store I use the wipes they provide on the cart and put that wipe into the cart to wipe stuff down as I put it in there. I use another one to clean my hands leaving the store before getting back into the car.

Going to have to be really proactive about this stuff. Keep a couple masks and some disposable gloves in the car to use if it gets really contagious or just stay home.


In other news, they have quarantined a whole apartment building in Kansas City and also the hospital they took the occupant to. She just came here from.................Liberia.......
Who'd a thunk that, eh?


Wise Owl,

You are a breath of fresh air.
Please keep bringing out the news where our members can see it.

Now for the members cleaning their food purchases at the grocery store. Wouldn't it be better to already have food at home and not go to the grocery store at all for a while as we see how this all plays out?
I prefer brown blankets, but right now I am glad I didn't buy one at Walmart in Dallas. That's just in case patient #2 took patient #1's new brown blanket back to Walmart for credit!

[shoot-n-lead]

Alcohol won't kill ebola virus. Bleach will tho. Clorox has wiped now with bleach in them so it makes them anti-viral/anti-bacterial. I just purchased a big tub of those and will pick up a couple more tomorrow. We have one in the console in the car and I want a couple more for the house.
You can also make up a water/bleach solution and put it into a spray bottle. I believe it's 1 part bleach to 10 parts water. Then use that to spray stuff you bring into the house from the store or wherever.

When I go into the grocery store I use the wipes they provide on the cart and put that wipe into the cart to wipe stuff down as I put it in there. I use another one to clean my hands leaving the store before getting back into the car.

Going to have to be really proactive about this stuff. Keep a couple masks and some disposable gloves in the car to use if it gets really contagious or just stay home.


In other news, they have quarantined a whole apartment building in Kansas City and also the hospital they took the occupant to. She just came here from.................Liberia.......
Who'd a thunk that, eh?

Wise Owl...you do love a little drama...don't you?

[USAFrox]

According to a news site:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/305795#.VDIOyZK9KSP

First US Ebola Patient Dies

Thomas A. Duncan, who became ill with Ebola after arriving from West Africa in Dallas two weeks ago, succumbed to the virus today (Sunday), reports Reuters. Duncan was fighting for his life at a Dallas hospital on today after his condition worsened to critical, according to the director of the US Centers for Disease Control.

The Dallas hospital that admitted him did not recognize the deadly disease at first and sent him home, only for him to return two days later by ambulance.

[BrassMagnet]

Wise Owl...you do love a little drama...don't you.

A little drama is nice. It helps to get the point across when simple and dry facts won't. Long live a little drama!

[smokeywolf]

If you think Wise Owl is warning that the sky is falling for "a little drama". I think you're misunderstanding a little sage council suggesting that it is "better to be safe than sorry", for fear mongering. Big difference between blanket statements made to promote fear and panic and creative and rational suggestions for proactive measures that are reasonable and practical.

[Catshooter]

From what I'm reading, even in underdeveloped countries if it is detected early and the patient gets supportive care the fatality rate drops to about 25%. That's not good but it sure beats 90%. This guy in Dallas has 2-4 weeks to live... unless the treatment works, .

Sorry dude, but he's Thomas is dead. Sunday evening. You might want to re-think things.


Cat

[waksupi]

In other news, they have quarantined a whole apartment building in Kansas City and also the hospital they took the occupant to. She just came here from.................Liberia.......
Who'd a thunk that, eh?

False story, more Alex Jones BS. The tin foil hat version of The Onion.

[dtknowles]

Sorry dude, but he's Thomas is dead. Sunday evening. You might want to re-think things.


Cat

You sure about that. I read it was an internet rumor.

Tim

[WILCO]

False story......

This comes after a Kansas City apartment building in the 3600 block of East Meyer Boulevard was sealed off about 9:30 p.m. Saturday when the man who lived there became seriously ill.

Read more: http://www.kctv5.com/story/26707306/kansas-city-apartment-sealed-off-after-resident-quarantined#ixzz3FNZWNjao

[Duckiller]

Mr Duncan is not dead , yet. Suggest those that think he has died find a new source of news.

[Wise Owl]

Wise Owl...you do love a little drama...don't you?

Actually no, I don't love a little drama. In fact, I could live the rest of my life with none.

My purpose to posting the articles is to inform members about cases that are popping up all around. If they test negative, yee haw. That's absolutely wonderful by me. I wish we never had the guy in Texas come here. I wish I could just carry on like nothing is happening and enjoy my husband, our dogs and the beautiful fall weather we are having up here. Not worrying about someone from out of state or anyone for that matter coming up here after being somewhere that had active ebola cases out walking around.
We get visitors from all over the US up here, all year round. It's a tourist area, fishing, sking, snow machines, 4 wheelers, etc etc.

So, if I take this a bit serious from all that I have read from different sources then yeah, I wanted to maybe keep a few more people safer.

Oh and none of my sources are Alex Jones or the Onion. K?

[Wise Owl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJbYm5dLYU

Judge Jeanine on FOX news. I can't watch it due to dialup but others have said she tells it like it is.

[Wise Owl]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102062460?trk...tack:topnews:6 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/102062460?trknav=homestack:topnews:6)

Ebola virus
Richard J Green | Getty Images
Ebola virus
The Ebola victim being treated in Dallas is now receiving an experimental drug after federal authorities gave the go-ahead for its use in emergency cases, the hospital said Monday.

The disclosure that Thomas Eric Duncan began receiving the drug brincidofovir came hours after its maker, Biopharma company Chimerix announced that the antiviral drug has been approved for emergency use in Ebola patients.
"Mr. Duncan remains in critical condition," said Candace White, spokeswoman for Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas. "His condition is stable. He is now receiving the investigational medication brincidofovir." Duncan contracted Ebola in the West African country of Liberia, but was diagnosed after traveling to the US.

Other Ebola patients soon could also be receiving the drug as a result of the Food and Drug Administration's decision to approve it on a compassionate-use basis.
Brincidofovir joins two other experimental antiviral drugs that have already been deployed in the battle against Ebola.

[waksupi]

Oh and none of my sources are Alex Jones or the Onion. K?


The Kansas story traces back directly to Infowars.

[JSnover]

Sorry dude, but he's Thomas is dead. Sunday evening. You might want to re-think things.


Cat
Really? As of 2pm today:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/dallas-ebola-patient-gets-experimental-drug-n219566

[Wise Owl]

Kansas City occurance..... NOT Alex Jones....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...like-symptoms/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/report-nigerian-woman-in-kansas-city-quarantined-with-ebola-like-symptoms/)

A Kansas City TV station, KCTV-5 reported Saturday night someone was being quarantined at Rockhill Research Hospital (Research Medical Center), according to their sister station in Wichita, KWCH (http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/patient-quarantined-in-kansas-city/28412604).
A source in Kansas City confirmed the story to the Gateway Pundit and added some details.
A Nigerian woman was taken to the hospital with a high fever and Ebola like symptoms. Her apartment building was quarantined, though that may have been lifted later.
The source added the Nigerian woman initially tested negative for Ebola and was released (or set to be released) but was called back to the hospital. The source said parts of the hospital may be quarantined but the hospital is not confirming anything.
The CDC is reportedly on the way, according to the source.

Video of them taping off the apartment building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4IvDAkLVJ8

[JSnover]

The CDC just escorted a man from Liberia and his daughter off a plane in Newark. And then they let the rest of the passengers LEAVE the plane...........!
I am happy you are ok with this. Maybe get a few N100 masks and some gloves to keep in your car seeing as you live in an area that "may" have contagious traveling thru it after this afternoon.

Just a suggestion.....
I'm still not worried about it. Ebola is not the bogeyman, believe it or not. It won't sneak into your home tonight while you sleep. All of the precautions you take (I hope) to avoid a boatload of other diseases will also work against Ebola.
I dont feel like describing my personal hygiene and grooming habits for you. By now you should developed your own. Suffice it to say I know how not to get sick. I also know how not to panic. Try it some time.
Ill bet you a case of your favorite beverage that I'll be fine. Listening to folks like you, someone might think we'll all be dead by Christmas. If you get a PM from me around New Years you can pony up for a case of mine.

[Hamish]

Wise Owl...you do love a little drama...don't you?

Iave a few years of emergency medicine in my background and my wife has over 20 years ICU/critical care.

The handles on the shopping carts have been shown to be one of the highest vectors in transmission out there.

What is going on now is very much akin to what we went through as health providers back when Aids was quietly spreading into small town America. There was a lot of what the official stance was, and everyone doing what common sense dictated instead of "The CDC Party Line".

Wipes with bleach and 10 to 1 spray are cheap, common sense first tier preventative measures.

[sparky45]

All of the epidemics start with "patient" zero. We are there with many people exposed. I am very much concerned.

I was in Healthcare for over 35 years, and I fully believe that we haven't even seen the "tip of the iceberg" yet. We are at present (because of our porous south border) just getting a taste of what's likely to happen in the very near future. Do I think an outbreak of Ebola can or will happen in the US of A, ABSOLUTELY! If anyone that is so "unconcerned" that it won't happen then puzzle me this:
How did the NBC cameraman contract the disease without any contact with infected peoples? Before you answer, remember he was in FULL HAZMAT coverage. If you think for a minute that the govt. i.e. CDC is on top of this just think about Oblammo's healthcare Law.
BTW, Hamish is dead on the mark with his post concerning common sense ways to protect oneself.

[JSnover]

Newark is safe, btw...
http://gothamist.com/2014/10/05/sick_passenger_on_quarantined_newar.php#.
sick passenger did not have Ebola.
And, for what it's worth, weaponized Ebola isn't much of a threat either. Experiments were done at Fort Detrick if I recall correctly and they found the same thing as in the report below - impractical and ineffective.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/could-ebola-be-turned-into-a-bio-weapon-possible-but-not-so-easy/

[Katya Mullethov]

With any luck Duncan will die , so keep that story going and add :

THEY SMOTHERED HIM WITH A PILLOW !

Bad news travels fast .

If he survives it will be a sign to anyone that THINKS they might be infected that all they have to do is make it here and they will be saved . I can't blame them , it's not a bad deal really . $ 300-500,000 of inflated medical care for the price of a plane ticket .

[shoot-n-lead]

Exaggeration misleads the credulous and offends the perceptive.
~ Eliza Cook.

[smokeywolf]

It's amazing how clueless people can be when it comes to hygiene and sanitation. Many years ago when still an infant, my youngest had to spend quite a few days in the hospital. More than once I watched nurses strut into his room, place their unwashed hands on his hospital crib railing, let a little cooing and baby talk spill forth from their lips, then they would look up and smile at me, go into the bathroom, wash their hands with some antibacterial soap, then walk straight up to his crib again and place their freshly scrubbed hands right back on the crib railing where 60 seconds earlier they had placed their unwashed bacteria laden hands. When I told them, "now go back and wash their hands again before touching my son." they looked at me as though I was speaking a foreign language. After explaining to them what they had just done, instead of a sheepish or guilty expression on their face they would usually clam up and become defiant. I saw nurses follow this same procedure with unwashed ungloved hands then wash and glove and place their hands on contaminated surfaces prior to retrieving a thermometer from their pocket. Before being released from the hospital following the original ailment for which he was admitted, he contracted Rotavirus and had to stay 3 more days.

Just a caveat, most medical professionals are just that, professional and conscientious. But, you do have to look out for the ones who learn poor procedure from watching others exorcising poor and at times, dangerous procedures.

smokeywolf

[Wise Owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaNsXJfcTr4

According to the Center for Aerobiological Sciences, U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland:

(1) Ebola has an aerosol stability that is comparable to Influenza-A

(2) Much like Flu, Airborne Ebola transmissions need Winter type conditions to maximize Aerosol infection

"Filoviruses, which are classified as Category A Bioterrorism Agents by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Atlanta, GA), have stability in aerosol form comparable to other lipid containing viruses such as influenza A virus, a low infectious dose by the aerosol route (less than 10 PFU) in NHPs, and case fatality rates as high as ~90% ."

[Katya Mullethov]

It's amazing how clueless people can be when it comes to hygiene and sanitation.
smokeywolf

I have pulled that same stunt at the Subway® sandwich shop . They put on these little plastic gloves and then use them to groben the food bits , poke all these buttons , open the oven , everything but count money . The day I fired them , I asked the girl if it would be more efficient and economical to just dispense with the expense of gloves and simply use a piece of cheese to do all those tasks with , and then put that cheese on my sandwich . She looked at me like I had ordered a booger sandwich .

She had absolutely NO IDEA what I was talking about , happens all the time . So I explained . "You touch everything with those gloves , and then you touch my food , why not just USE MY FOOD ...... instead of gloves ?" There was a moments pause and you could see the recognition that they were only pretending to be sanitary , and THEN... just how big a pain in the hind end it would be to change gloves every time they poked a button ..so they all just glowered at me and I left .

And on another , more pleasant note -

Do not underestimate the CDC's profit motive in "bungling" this . Appropriations theater is what got the Davidians , Brian Terry , and well over 100,000 Mexicans killed . That list is seemingly endless , but those are a good start

[Hickory]

Ebola is real, it's deadly and it's here in the US. Those things are undeniably.
And it's also undeniable that anyone in a position to do the right thing as far as isolation, containment and treatment, and those in charge have failed or just don't give a damn.

The panic will begin when some Hollywood figure or government bigwig gets it. As long as the "nobody's" in flyover country are at risk, who cares? It is more than obvious that the American people are nothing to those in power we are just a vote to be manipulated or tax revenue to fatten the government coffers. If anyone should contract Ebola next it should be the bummer family, maybe something will get started in the control and containment of Ebola, until then, don't look for anything more than the scene from the 3 Stooges trying to clean up a mess in the kitchen attempt at doing what is needed.

What a mess, what a shame.

[Wise Owl]

Ebola in Spain: 4 people including nurse hospitalized in Madrid
Published time: October 07, 2014 10:38
Edited time: October 07, 2014 11:53

http://rt.com/news/193820-ebola-spai...talized-nurse/ (http://rt.com/news/193820-ebola-spain-hospitalized-nurse/)

http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/2f/51/c0/00/ebola.si.jpg
An ambulance carrying a Spanish nurse infected with Ebola arrives at the Carlos III Hospital in Madrid early October 7, 2014 in this still image from video. (Reuters / Reuters TV)

Health officials in Madrid say three more people are in the hospital on suspicion of contracting Ebola. The news comes a day after a nurse who treated two Ebola patients at a city hospital became infected with the disease.

The nurse is now being treated with a drip using antibodies from those previously infected with the virus, Reuters reports. Approximately 22 contacts of the woman, often referred to as the 'Spanish Ebola nurse,' have been identified and are being monitored, Madrid health officials told a press conference on Tuesday.

The officials added that the hospitalized include the nurse's husband, another health worker and a traveler who had spent time in one of he affected West African countries.

Public Health Director Mercedes Vinuesa told Parliament that authorities were compiling a list of everyone who had come in contact with the nurse so that they could be monitored, AP reports.

Vinuesa said Spain had several therapies available and had employing them on Monday. The unidentified nurse is reportedly in stable condition.

The 44-year-old woman is the first known person to have become infected with Ebola outside of Africa during the current outbreak. Other cases in Spain – or more recently, the US – involved individuals contracting the disease while in Africa and then traveling abroad.The nurse had reportedly helped treat a Spanish missionary and a Spanish priest, both of whom came down with the virus while in West Africa and later died after returning to Spain.

http://rt.com/files/news/2f/51/c0/00/ebola-2.jpg
Health workers attend a protest outside La Paz Hospital calling for Spain's Health Minister Ana Mato to resign after a Spanish nurse contracted Ebola, in Madrid, October 7, 2014. (Reuters / Andrea Comas)

There is currently no cure or human-safe vaccine for Ebola, which is spread via bodily fluids. Initial symptoms of fever and sore throat develop into vomiting, diarrhea and profuse internal and external bleeding. Victims may die of multiple organ failure within days of first contact, with some strains killing up to 90 percent of sufferers.

The latest outbreak first struck the West African state of Guiana in December 20123. World Health Organization (WHO) officials, however, did not become aware the disease was raging in the country's south until March 23, 2014. It has since spread to neighboring Senegal, Liberia and Sierra Leone and Nigeria. Due to a rapid response by authorities in Nigeria and Senegal, infections in both states combined were kept below two dozen.

Apart from Spain, the United States is the only other non-African country to register a case of Ebola. On September 20, an infected man traveling from Liberia arrived in Dallas, Texas. He reportedly started exhibiting symptoms of the disease 4 days later. US health officials are currently monitoring 10 quarantined people who had contact with the man, who remains in critical condition.

The WHO has reported a total of 7,493 Ebola infections worldwide. At least 3,439 people are estimated to have died after contracting the disease.

In September, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicted that 1.4 million people could contract Ebola by the end of January barring drastic attempts to head off the spread of infection.

Equipment and protocol failure

Spanish authorities have come under increasing pressure to explain how the disease was able to spread in their hospital. While they say all proper protocols and procedure were followed while providing care to the deceased missionaries, reports to the contrary have surfaced.

According to the Guardian, staff at the hospital said waste from the rooms of both patients had been carried out in the same elevator used by all personnel. The hospital was also reportedly not evacuated when the second patient, García Viejo, was taken in to receive treatment.

Union workers also accused the government of providing hospital staff with adequate hazmat-suits.

Some Spanish medical-worker representatives said the situation should prompt an overhaul of the procedures and facilities used to treat those afflicted with the virus.

“Something went wrong,” Máximo Gonzalez Jurado, head of Spain’s General Nursing Council, told Spanish news agency EFE. “They need to establish if the protocol is correct or not correct so that a case like this, that never should have happened, doesn’t happen again.”

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See the first picture and notice the drivers and crew of the ambulance are suited up, while transporting the patient.

Also take note of an unrelated (not connected to the nurse patient),"and a traveler who had spent time in one of he affected West African countries."

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[Wise Owl]

Please read the following carefully. It seems not all scientists who have studied ebola agree with the CDC's guidelines.



Some Ebola experts worry virus may spread more easily than assumed
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1.../p2p-81607593/ (http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81607593/)
David Willman October 7, 2014

U.S. officials leading the fight against history's worst outbreak of Ebola have said they know the ways the virus is spread and how to stop it. They say that unless an air traveler from disease-ravaged West Africa has a fever of at least 101.5 degrees or other symptoms, co-passengers are not at risk.

"At this point there is zero risk of transmission on the flight," Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said after a Liberian man who flew through airports in Brussels and Washington was diagnosed with the disease last week in Dallas.

Other public health officials have voiced similar assurances, saying Ebola is spread only through physical contact with a symptomatic individual or their bodily fluids. "Ebola is not transmitted by the air. It is not an airborne infection," said Dr. Edward Goodman of Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, where the Liberian patient remains in critical condition.

Yet some scientists who have long studied Ebola say such assurances are premature — and they are concerned about what is not known about the strain now on the loose. It is an Ebola outbreak like none seen before, jumping from the bush to urban areas, giving the virus more opportunities to evolve as it passes through multiple human hosts.

Dr. C.J. Peters, who battled a 1989 outbreak of the virus among research monkeys housed in Virginia and who later led the CDC's most far-reaching study of Ebola's transmissibility in humans, said he would not rule out the possibility that it spreads through the air in tight quarters.

"We just don't have the data to exclude it," said Peters, who continues to research viral diseases at the University of Texas in Galveston.

Dr. Philip K. Russell, a virologist who oversaw Ebola research while heading the U.S. Army's Medical Research and Development Command, and who later led the government's massive stockpiling of smallpox vaccine after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, also said much was still to be learned. "Being dogmatic is, I think, ill-advised, because there are too many unknowns here."

If Ebola were to mutate on its path from human to human, said Russell and other scientists, its virulence might wane — or it might spread in ways not observed during past outbreaks, which were stopped after transmission among just two to three people, before the virus had a greater chance to evolve. The present outbreak in West Africa has killed approximately 3,400 people, and there is no medical cure for Ebola.

"I see the reasons to dampen down public fears," Russell said. "But scientifically, we're in the middle of the first experiment of multiple, serial passages of Ebola virus in man.... God knows what this virus is going to look like. I don't."

Tom Skinner, a spokesman for the CDC in Atlanta, said health officials were basing their response to Ebola on what has been learned from battling the virus since its discovery in central Africa in 1976. The CDC remains confident, he said, that Ebola is transmitted principally by direct physical contact with an ill person or their bodily fluids.

Skinner also said the CDC is conducting ongoing lab analyses to assess whether the present strain of Ebola is mutating in ways that would require the government to change its policies on responding to it. The results so far have not provided cause for concern, he said.

The researchers reached in recent days for this article cited grounds to question U.S. officials' assumptions in three categories.

One issue is whether airport screenings of prospective travelers to the U.S. from West Africa can reliably detect those who might have Ebola. Frieden has said the CDC protocols used at West African airports can be relied on to prevent more infected passengers from coming to the U.S.

"One hundred percent of the individuals getting on planes are screened for fever before they get on the plane," Frieden said Sept. 30. "And if they have a fever, they are pulled out of the line, assessed for Ebola, and don't fly unless Ebola is ruled out."

Individuals who have flown recently from one or more of the affected countries suggested that travelers could easily subvert the screening procedures — and might have incentive to do so: Compared with the depleted medical resources in the West African countries of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, the prospect of hospital care in the U.S. may offer an Ebola-exposed person the only chance to survive.

A person could pass body temperature checks performed at the airports by taking ibuprofen or any common analgesic. And prospective passengers have much to fear from identifying themselves as sick, said Kim Beer, a resident of Freetown, the capital of Sierra Leone, who is working to get medical supplies into the country to cope with Ebola.

"It is highly unlikely that someone would acknowledge having a fever, or simply feeling unwell," Beer said via email. "Not only will they probably not get on the flight — they may even be taken to/required to go to a 'holding facility' where they would have to stay for days until it is confirmed that it is not caused by Ebola. That is just about the last place one would want to go."

Liberian officials said last week that the patient hospitalized in Dallas, Thomas Eric Duncan, did not report to airport screeners that he had had previous contact with an Ebola-stricken woman. It is not known whether Duncan knew she suffered from Ebola; her family told neighbors it was malaria.

The potential disincentive for passengers to reveal their own symptoms was echoed by Sheka Forna, a dual citizen of Sierra Leone and Britain who manages a communications firm in Freetown. Forna said he considered it "very possible" that people with fever would medicate themselves to appear asymptomatic.

It would be perilous to admit even nonspecific symptoms at the airport, Forna said in a telephone interview. "You'd be confined to wards with people with full-blown disease."

On Monday, the White House announced that a review was underway of existing airport procedures. Frieden and President Obama's assistant for homeland security and counter-terrorism, Lisa Monaco, said Friday that closing the U.S. to passengers from the Ebola-affected countries would risk obstructing relief efforts.

CDC officials also say that asymptomatic patients cannot spread Ebola. This assumption is crucial for assessing how many people are at risk of getting the disease. Yet diagnosing a symptom can depend on subjective understandings of what constitutes a symptom, and some may not be easily recognizable. Is a person mildly fatigued because of short sleep the night before a flight — or because of the early onset of disease?

Moreover, said some public health specialists, there is no proof that a person infected — but who lacks symptoms — could not spread the virus to others.

"It's really unclear," said Michael Osterholm, a public health scientist at the University of Minnesota who recently served on the U.S. government's National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity. "None of us know."

Russell, who oversaw the Army's research on Ebola, said he found the epidemiological data unconvincing.

"The definition of 'symptomatic' is a little difficult to deal with," he said. "It may be generally true that patients aren't excreting very much virus until they become ill, but to say that we know the course of [the virus' entry into the bloodstream] and the course of when a virus appears in the various secretions, I think, is premature."

The CDC's Skinner said that while officials remained confident that Ebola can be spread only by the overtly sick, the ongoing studies would assess whether mutations that might occur could increase the potential for asymptomatic patients to spread it.

Finally, some also question the official assertion that Ebola cannot be transmitted through the air. In late 1989, virus researcher Charles L. Bailey supervised the government's response to an outbreak of Ebola among several dozen rhesus monkeys housed for research in Reston, Va., a suburb of Washington.

What Bailey learned from the episode informs his suspicion that the current strain of Ebola afflicting humans might be spread through tiny liquid droplets propelled into the air by coughing or sneezing.

"We know for a fact that the virus occurs in sputum and no one has ever done a study [disproving that] coughing or sneezing is a viable means of transmitting," he said. Unqualified assurances that Ebola is not spread through the air, Bailey said, are "misleading."

Peters, whose CDC team studied cases from 27 households that emerged during a 1995 Ebola outbreak in Democratic Republic of Congo, said that while most could be attributed to contact with infected late-stage patients or their bodily fluids, "some" infections may have occurred via "aerosol transmission."

Skinner of the CDC, who cited the Peters-led study as the most extensive of Ebola's transmissibility, said that while the evidence "is really overwhelming" that people are most at risk when they touch either those who are sick or such a person's vomit, blood or diarrhea, "we can never say never" about spread through close-range coughing or sneezing.

"I'm not going to sit here and say that if a person who is highly viremic … were to sneeze or cough right in the face of somebody who wasn't protected, that we wouldn't have a transmission," Skinner said.

Peters, Russell and Bailey, who in 1989 was deputy commander for research of the Army's Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, in Frederick, Md., said the primates in Reston had appeared to spread Ebola to other monkeys through their breath.

The Ebola strain found in the monkeys did not infect their human handlers. Bailey, who now directs a biocontainment lab at George Mason University in Virginia, said he was seeking to research the genetic differences between the Ebola found in the Reston monkeys and the strain currently circulating in West Africa.

Though he acknowledged that the means of disease transmission among the animals would not guarantee the same result among humans, Bailey said the outcome may hold lessons for the present Ebola epidemic.

"Those monkeys were dying in a pattern that was certainly suggestive of coughing and sneezing — some sort of aerosol movement," Bailey said. "They were dying and spreading it so quickly from cage to cage. We finally came to the conclusion that the best action was to euthanize them all."


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[Mumblypeg]

This all reads like an episode from The Walking Dead..... I'm waiting on the next episode......

[Bullshop Junior]

Swine flu keeps coming to mind...

[Wise Owl]

This all reads like an episode from The Walking Dead..... I'm waiting on the next episode......

You made me laugh. Thanks !

[Wise Owl]

I think this is much worse than the swine flu. Have you ever read what ebola does to the human body? I will go pull up that info and paste it here. It's really nasty.

Warning. Do NOT read if you are faint of heart !


Gratuitously copied from ZeroHedge poster who copied it "for education purposes" from The Hot Zone:

EBOLA - AN UNPLEASANT WAY TO DIE.

Call President Obola (202) 456-1111 - demand we stop all flights & travel from AFRICA.

Copied without permission from _The Hot Zone_, by Richard Preston.

Ebola Zaire attacks every organ and tissue in the human body except skeletal muscle and bone. It is a perfect parasite because it transforms virtually every part of the body into a digested slime of virus particles. The seven mysterious proteins that, assembled together, make up the Ebola-virus particle, work as a relentless machine, a molecular shark, and they consume the body as the virus makes copies of itself. Small blood clots begin to appear in the bloodstream, and the blood thickens and slows, and clots begin to stick to the walls of blood vessels. This is known as pavementing, because the clots fit together in a mosaic. The mosaic thickens and throws more clots, and the clots drift through the bloodstream into the small capillaries, where they get stuck. This shuts off the blood supply to various parts of the body, causing dead spots to appear in the brain, liver, kidneys, lungs, intestines, testicles, breast tissue (of men as well as women), and all through the skin. The skin develops red spots, called petechiae, which are hemorrhages under the skin. Ebola attacks connective tissue with particular ferocity; it multiplies in collegen, the chief constituent protein of the tissue that holds the organs together. (The seven Ebola proteins somehow chew up the body's structural proteins.) In this way, collagen in the body turns to mush, and the under layers of the skin die and liquefy. The skin bubbles up into a sea of tiny white blisters mixed with red spots known as a maculopapular rash. This rash has been likened to tapioca pudding. Spontaneous rips appear in the skin, and hemmoraghic blood pours from the rips. The red spots on the skin grow and spread and merge to become huge, spontaneous bruises, and the skin goes soft and pulpy, and can tear off if it is touched with any kind of pressure. Your mouth bleeds, and you bleed around your teeth, and you may have hemorrhages from the salivary glands -- literally every opening in the body bleeds, no matter how small. The surface if the tongue turns brilliant red and the sloughs off, and is swallowed or spat out. It is said to be extraordinarily painful to lose the surface of one's tongue. The tongue's skin may be torn off during rushes of the black vomit. The back of the throat and the lining of the wind pipe may also slough off, and the dead tissue slides down the windpipe into the lungs or is coughed up with sputum. Your heart bleeds into itself; the heart muscle softens and has hemorrhages into its chambers, and blood squeezes out of the heart muscle as the heart beats, and it floods the chest cavity.

The brain becomes clogged with dead blood cells, a conditions known as sludging of the brain. Ebola attacks the lining of the eyeball, and the eyeballs may fill up with blood: you may go blind. Droplets of blood stand out on the eyelids: you may weep blood. The blood runs from your eyes down your cheeks and refuses to coagulate. You may have a hemispherical stroke, in which one whole side of the body is paralyzed, which is invariably fatal in a case of Ebola. Even while the body's internal organs are becoming plugged with coagulated blood, the blood that streams out of the body cannot clot; it resembles whey being squeezed out of curds. The blood has been stripped of its clotting factors. If you put the runny Ebola blood in a test tube and look at it, you see that the blood is destroyed. Its red cells are broken and dead. The blood looks as if it has been buzzed in an electric blender.

Ebola kills a great deal of tissue while the host is still alive. It triggers a creeping, spotty necrosis that spreads through all the internal organs. The liver bulges up and turns yellow, begins to liquefy, and then it cracks apart. The cracks run across the liver and deep inside it, and the liver completely dies and goes putrid. The kidneys becomes jammed with blood clots and dead cells, and cease functioning. As the kidneys fail, the blood becomes toxic with urine. The spleen turns into a single huge, hard blood clot the size of a baseball. The intestines may fill up completely with blood. The lining of the gut dies and sloughs off into the bowels and is defecated along with large amounts of blood. In men, the testicles bloat up and turns black-and-blue, the semen goes hot with Ebola, and the nipples may bleed. In women, the labia turn blue, livid, and protrusive, and there may be massive vaginal bleeding. The virus is a catastrophe for a pregnant woman: the child is aborted spontaneously and is usually infected with Ebola virus, born with red eyes and a bloody nose.

Ebola destroys the brain more thoroughly than does Marburg, and Ebola victims often go into epileptic convulsions during the final stage. The convulsions are generalized grand mal seizures -- the whole body twitches and shakes, the arms and legs thrash around, and the eyes, sometimes bloody, roll up into the head. The tremors and convulsions of the patient may smear or splatter blood around. Possibly this epileptic splashing of blood is one of Ebola's strategies for success -- it makes the victim go into a flurry of seizures as he dies, spreading blood all over the place, thus giving the virus a chance to jump to a new host -- a kind of transmission through smearing.

Ebola (and Marburg) multiplies so rapidly and powerfully that the body's infected cells become crystal-like blocks of packed virus particles. These crystal are broods of virus getting ready to hatch from the cell. They are known as bricks. The bricks, or crystals, first appear near the center of the cell and then migrate towards the surface. As a crystal reaches a cell wall, it disintegrates into hundreds of individual virus particles, and the broodlings push through the cell wall like hair and float away in the bloodstream of the host. The hatched Ebola particles cling to cells everywhere in the body, and get inside them, and continue to multiply. It keeps on multiplying until areas of tissue all through the body are filled with crystalloids, which hatch, and more Ebola particles drift into the bloodstream, and the amplification continues inexorably until a droplet of the hosts blood can contain a hundred million individual particles.

After death, the cadaver suddenly deteriorates: the internal organs, having been dead or partially dead for days, have already begun to dissolve, and a sort of shock-related meltdown occurs. The corpse's connective tissue, skin, and organs, already peppered with dead spots, heated by fever, and damaged by shock, begin to liquefy, and the fluids that leak from the cadaver are saturated with Ebola-virus particles.

[cephas53]

Swine flu keeps coming to mind...
Good one. I was thinking Indians and smallpox.

[texassako]

I just seen the breaking headline going back on the computer just now. Dallas patient is dead.

[Wise Owl]

Ebola patient dies at Dallas hospital

DALLAS — A patient diagnosed with Ebola in Dallas on September 30 has died, according to officials from Texas Health Presbyterian Dallas.

Thomas Eric Duncan was admitted to the hospital on September 28.



More details to come.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/healt...ital/16910143/ (http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/08/ebola-dallas-texas-health-hospital/16910143/)

[HarryT]

I don't know if its true but I read that Mr. Duncan cost the USA over $32,000,000. And now the Black Grievance Industry is shouting racism (since the two White missionaries lived) and will be seeking a big cash settlement for the Baby Mama.

[Multigunner]

As for possible terrorist spreading of this disease remember years ago when an Al-Queda big wig made cryptic remarks about a horrible disease.
I don't remember his exact words but it was a response to rumours of a suspected Bio-Warfare attack by AQ.

Also a suicide bomber type individual would not fear the worst symptoms of the disease. He'd keep spreading it till he began to feel the worst of it then finish himself off in grand style spreading his infected body fluids over a wide area. He wouldn't even have to get close to a crowd. The more victims with minor injuries the better, a quick trip to the ER to spread the infection to hospitals then home to spread it to family and friends. Police, EMS, and news crews would come in close contact with injured bomb victims at the scene. Infecting first responders and local police departments as well as crippling local news stations.

[Wise Owl]

Frisco TX: Sick patient claims to have had contact with Ebola victim
Posted: Oct 08, 2014 1:57 PM CDT
Updated: Oct 08, 2014 2:20 PM CDT
By: myfoxdfw.com Staff

FRISCO, Texas - A patient exhibiting symptoms of Ebola who claims to have had contact with Thomas Eric Duncan showed up at a Care Now facility in Frisco Wednesday afternoon.

City officials confirmed a significant medical response at the clinic located in the 300 block of Main Street.

Paramedics are said to be in the process of transporting the patient, but it is unclear where.

All staff and patrons at the facility are also being examined, officials said.

The city has scheduled a news conference for 3:30 p.m. to release more information about the incident.

https://twitter.com/myfoxhouston/sta...36748009164800 (https://twitter.com/myfoxhouston/status/519936748009164800)


New conference by the CDC at 3:30 central time. Anyone with tv or bandwidth might want to take a listen to this.

This deputy went into the Duncan apartment right after Duncan went into the hospital the second time.

[Plate plinker]

Very serious, very concerned. Government too cowardly to close african flights down and mexican border. If this gets really out of hand who will stand up and seal off the borders? Imagine tens of thousands of people trying to cross into the border states. Be ready, be prepared.

[Wise Owl]

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/10864a9deb8a343ece22a0a094fe7b3b870bdc38/c=71-0-881-1080&r=183&c=0-0-180-238/local/-/media/USATODAY/None/2014/10/08/635483834637148495-100814michael-monning1.jpg

The deputy was ordered to go inside the unit with officials to get a quarantine order signed. No one who went inside the unit that day wore protective gear, and Monning had objected strenuously to that decision.

The Frisco CareNow is located on Main Street in this suburb about 20 miles north of Dallas. Patients now are being held inside the clinic as crews at the scene examine staff and others inside the building.
Sgt. Michael Monning accompanied Dallas County health

Sgt. Michael Monning accompanied Dallas County health officials into the apartment where Thomas Eric Duncan stayed in Dallas.(Photo: WFAA-TV, Dallas-Fort Worth)

Police and fire units surrounded the facility, initially taping off a gray sport-utility vehicle Monning owns.

"We are being very cautious and are in contact with the health department to ensure we follow proper protocol," said Vicki Johns of CareNow. "Our concern is for the safety and well being of everyone in our clinic."

Chuck Moreno, who went into the CareNow center with his 15-year-old son to get a flu shot, said he saw a patient whose skin was flushed enter the clinic with his wife. He was hunched over but walking.

Within minutes, police and fire units were there. Moreno said he asked a CareNow employee if the response was related to Ebola, and the employee nodded her head "yes."

Moreno said he and his son went into an examination room, put on surgical masks they found there and sprayed disinfectant on themselves. Staff told them he and his son could not leave CareNow and would be transferred to a major medical center.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...exas/16926553/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/possible-ebola-patient-texas/16926553/)

[Wise Owl]

Frisco Presser

Chief Mark Piland, Frisco Fire Dept.

- Patient reported he was in the apartment and had contact with Duncan family members.
- Frisco Mayor, in an abundance of caution we are taking a number of precautions.

- Patient was exhibiting a number of symptoms.

- Patients at Care Now have been allowed to go home, 14 staff are being quarantined.

- Patient was -not- among 48 people under close surveillance in Dallas.

[Wise Owl]

From Twitter source....

Frisco, Texas, Fire Chief Mark Piland: We estimate we're dealing with 14 people who may have come into contact with today's possible Ebola case - @CBSDFW

[Whiterabbit]

Very serious, very concerned. Government too cowardly to close african flights down and mexican border. If this gets really out of hand who will stand up and seal off the borders? Imagine tens of thousands of people trying to cross into the border states. Be ready, be prepared.


There's an interesting thought. african flights to mexico, start the seed there, get thousands infected with Ebola. Where do they go? You're a poor mexican in tijuana. You get ebola. What do you do, go to the hospital on tijuana, or jump a fence to get to an American ER? 1000 of them? 3000 of them? How many would it take?

Very interesting.

[JSnover]

There's an interesting thought. african flights to mexico, start the seed there, get thousands infected with Ebola. Where do they go? You're a poor mexican in tijuana. You get ebola. What do you do, go to the hospital on tijuana, or jump a fence to get to an American ER? 1000 of them? 3000 of them? How many would it take?

Very interesting.
this is just one more opportunity for the government to ignore the problem

[Plate plinker]

:mrgreen:Hopefully they find their way to D.C.

[HarryT]

I talked to a few doctors who say they will not treat Ebola patients due to the danger to themselves and their families. A 21 day quarantine could bankrupt some people.

[Katya Mullethov]

Malpractice lawsuit in 3 , 2 , 1 ...

ETA : AH ! Here we go

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/family-texas-ebola-patient-died-upset-unfair-treatment/story?id=26050956

[ShooterAZ]

We need to stop letting people from western Africa enter the United States! Period. This whole thing is BS. It's totally out of control, and trusting our government with this situation is insanity.

[Plate plinker]

Maybe Jesse j will help them victims, hope he stays real close to all them sickly people.

[smokeywolf]

We need to stop letting people from western Africa enter the United States! Period. This whole thing is BS. It's totally out of control, and trusting our government with this situation is insanity.

This is what's wrong with the system. It requires honest people providing the money to trust dishonest politicians who almost exclusively represent those who bribe them with campaign cash and perks.

Here's an analogy: Chevrolet gives all it's available money to Ford to spend as Ford sees fit. Yes, Chevrolet gets to vote on top management in Ford, but Ford chooses all the candidates.

The least trustworthy people are those with the most power over those trusting them.

None of this should be a surprise to anyone on this forum. The government is not going to make decisions based on what is best for the average American taxpayer; THEY DON'T WORK FOR US!

smokeywolf

[MaryB]

Obama's excuse that it would hurt aid workers is BS. Flight crews on flights in drop off passengers and take off. They do not leave the plane under any circumstances short of it being on fire. Build quarantine camps around the airport for aid workers wanting to return. They spend 21 days in isolation then are allowed back.

Instead anyoe can get on a flight, lie about being exposed and end up here spreading it Obola is getting what he wants, destruction of the USA

[Wise Owl]

Apparently there are 4 deputies in total that are sick right now. It was on CNN's Front line? Still looking for a link to that but I guess the video doesn't go up on CNN until after 11 pm news? If I see it before I head to bed I will post it for you all.

I guess the Dallas Sheriff is some kind of mad over this. Those 3 men were in the apartment and HANDLED the bedding and clothing of Duncan's. If the bedding was wet when Duncan laid in it 3 days before, then the virus was still viable when the deputies handled it. It stays viable for days in the right setting and at room temps.

The deputy in the hospital has children in the Lewis school district called the Colony. This is about 20 min drive from Dallas Presbytarian hospital. I think.

Sorry, my head is spinning. I guess CNN is doing a decent job of reporting the news right now. FOX not so much.

[texassako]

It was one deputy: http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/08/patient-frisco-ebola-suspect/16922477/ . I almost went to that clinic today.

[shoot-n-lead]

This cnn link says he has no fever or other symptoms...http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/08/health/ebola-up-to-speed/index.html

[Recluse]

I guess the Dallas Sheriff is some kind of mad over this. Those 3 men were in the apartment and HANDLED the bedding and clothing of Duncan's. If the bedding was wet when Duncan laid in it 3 days before, then the virus was still viable when the deputies handled it. It stays viable for days in the right setting and at room temps.

The deputy in the hospital has children in the Lewis school district called the Colony. This is about 20 min drive from Dallas Presbytarian hospital. I think.

Sorry, my head is spinning. I guess CNN is doing a decent job of reporting the news right now. FOX not so much.

Our oldest daughter just told us they pulled the boys out of school and are keeping them out. Same school district and the "cross pollination" between the other (possibly) affected deputies and their children is beyond concerning--it's bordering on horrifying.

We are worried big-time right now. We're also mad at how bad the intentional and knowing lies are getting from CDC and county "health officials."

:coffee:

[smokeywolf]

When it comes to your family, always err on the side of caution. Screw the schools, bureaucrats, government and everyone else if need be. Always put family first. This requires little thought or consideration. Family first, period! I'm so glad to know that others think as I do.

[Wise Owl]

Dallas County Deputy Awaits Ebola Test Results
October 9, 2014 6:18 AM

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DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) - Just hours after the death of Thomas Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the Ebola virus in the United States, a deputy with the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department was rushed to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas on Wednesday with some similar Ebola symptoms.

Michael Monnig is now in isolation at the hospital, waiting for test results to confirm whether or not he too has the Ebola virus. Those results may not arrive for another two days.

The deputy started feeling ill on Wednesday morning, just a few days after becoming involved with Duncan. Monnig had no direct contact with the first Ebola patient, but he was at the apartment unit where Duncan had stayed prior to being admitted to the hospital. Monnig served a quarantine order to Duncan’s family.

Monnig’s son said that the deputy was feeling fatigued and had flu-like symptoms, which are similar to what Ebola patients experience in the early stages of sickness. Monnig went to a CareNow clinic in Frisco on Wednesday complaining of stomach pains, and told the facility’s personnel about his contact with the Ebola patient.

Doctors at the clinic felt that Monnig met the preliminary guidelines for Ebola as given by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is why he was rushed to the hospital.

However, family members maintain that there is no cause for concern. “He was in the apartment for 30 minutes. We were told there was no way he contracted the virus,” said son Logan Monnig. “We’re very, kind of scared, just want to make sure he’s okay.”

The deputy was not among the group of individuals being monitored by health officials, because he had no direct contact with Duncan.

Monnig’s vehicle was still parked in front of the Frisco clinic late Wednesday, but it was removed early Thursday. The clinic plans to remain closed on Thursday in order to undergo a deep cleaning by the same company that decontaminated The Ivy Apartments, where Duncan had stayed.

Meanwhile, the Lewisville Independent School District issued a statement Wednesday night, because one of Monnig’s children attends a school in the district. “We have communicated with the Denton County Health Department,” the note stated. “There is no reason to quarantine anyone, and there is no reason to close a school.”


Video at link:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/09/d...-test-results/ (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/09/dallas-county-deputy-awaits-ebola-test-results/)


So, they don't know what he has yet. TThe test takes up to 48 hours to get results unless they use the new one that only takes 6 hours.

[montana_charlie]

So, Duncan was being treated with (experimental) brincidofovir, and he died.
Mukpo, the journalist/camaraman in Nebraska is getting the same treatment ... which has failed 100% of the time, so far.

Mukpo is also getting a blood transfusion from Kent Brantly, the doctor who was flown home from Africa with an ebola infection.
Maybe that blood will raise his odds of survival.

But, Brantly was cured using a drug with a different name ... which I can't remember.

I wonder if they are making more of that stuff ...

[Wise Owl]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2554588
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am

HHS secretary: There may be other cases of Ebola in the U.S.
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am

Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Burwell said that despite the best efforts of health officials, Americans have to prepare for the reality that there may be more cases of Ebola in the United States.

“We had one case and I think there may be other cases, and I think we have to recognize that as a nation,” Burwell said at a media breakfast hosted by the journal Health Affairs and held at the Washington, D.C. offices of the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Burwell’s comments come as screening of travelers from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa has been stepped up at U.S. airports. On Wednesday, the first patient diagnosed with the virus on U.S. soil died in Texas.

She expressed confidence in the screening process that has already been in place in travelers' departure cities, but acknowledged that no such system is 100 percent.

“The most important place with regard to taking care of screening is actually at the point of departure,” she said. “And that’s been in place for many months and as we know, we have a case. That case sadly is deceased. But for many months, we did not have a case that entered the country. And we know that that screening has worked in the sense of 80 people have been pulled from the lines in the screening and stopped in the home country. And that’s the most important place to do that.”

She said that there was a massive effort at preparing the healthcare system to deal with any cases that may arise.

“What’s most important is we know how to contain," she said. "And that is: detect, contact tracing, isolation, and treatment.”

She said that 8,000 healthcare providers have been on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention webinars and hundreds of thousands of health care workers have been communicating through an alert network.

“What’s most important is we know how to contain," she said. "And that is: detect, contact tracing, isolation, and treatment.”
Ha ha ha....sure they know how but are they doing it? Nope, borders are open, planes flying in from West Africa and they send people into KNOWN contaminated places with no personal protection gear on like the deputy now in isolation in Dallas Presby hospital.

[Wise Owl]

So, Duncan was being treated with (experimental) brincidofovir, and he died.
Mukpo, the journalist/camaraman in Nebraska is getting the same treatment ... which has failed 100% of the time, so far.

Mukpo is also getting a blood transfusion from Kent Brantly, the doctor who was flown home from Africa with an ebola infection.
Maybe that blood will raise his odds of survival.

But, Brantly was cured using a drug with a different name ... which I can't remember.

I wonder if they are making more of that stuff ...

They are currently out of that stuff. Zmapp I believe. It's grown on tobacco plants and they only had a few doses made up. The company is based in San Diego and is working on more but right now, they are OUT of it. They also said it takes time to make it so it may be Dec of Jan before they have more to treat patients with.

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. How bout you Charlie?

[ShooterAZ]

What I'd like to know is...When Law Enforcement serves a quarantine notice on an Ebola patient, what protocol was/is taken? Were these guys just sent into the apartment with no precautions taken?

[Wise Owl]

What I'd like to know is...When Law Enforcement serves a quarantine notice on an Ebola patient, what protocol was/is taken? Were these guys just sent into the apartment with no precautions taken?


That's EXACTLY what happened. Monnig was very upset at the time that they weren't allowed protective gear. And it wasn't just Monnig, it was two drs from the County health dept, and the other deputies that went in with him. They didn't clean that apartment until last Friday and that was AFTER they moved the girlfriend and kids out to another place. The cleaning crew was in full level 4 hazmat gear to clean it yet, they sent unprotected people into the apartment that was full of virus AND people who most likely were infected with the ebola virus.

You only need 1 to 10 virons of ebola virus to be infected and that stuff multiplies hundreds of times before it kills you. And that can happen within a couple weeks after you get sick from it. Which can happen in 2 to 8 days after being in contact with ebola virus.

Ok, back to sleuthing out details.

I trying my best to only report cases verified by reputable sources.

[Blacksmith]

Any one have ancestors come through Ellis Island and get quarantined? It used to be a regular practice for any questionable conditions. They also sent people back where they came from for a variety of reasons.

http://www.ellisisland.se/english/quarantine_islands_newyork.asp

[Blacksmith]

Some Interesting reading here:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full

For example:

The isolation of EBOV from semen 40 days after the onset of illness underscores the risk of sexual transmission of the filoviruses during convalescence. Zaire EBOV has been detected in the semen of convalescent patients by virus isolation (82 days) and RT-PCR (91 days) after disease onset [5 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-5), 14 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-14)]. Marburg virus has also been isolated from the semen and linked conclusively to sexual transmission 13 weeks into convalescence [15 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-15)].

[Wise Owl]

I am so happy to see some of you digging into this and bringing up the real information instead of the regurgitation of the lies from the CDC. I get more respect for you folks every day.

[BrassMagnet]

Some Interesting reading here:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/conten...nt_2/S142.full (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full)

For example:
The isolation of EBOV from semen 40 days after the onset of illness underscores the risk of sexual transmission of the filoviruses during convalescence. Zaire EBOV has been detected in the semen of convalescent patients by virus isolation (82 days) and RT-PCR (91 days) after disease onset [5 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-5), 14 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-14)]. Marburg virus has also been isolated from the semen and linked conclusively to sexual transmission 13 weeks into convalescence [15 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-15)].

Yes. We have some great people here that can think and research.
One issue I have with news reporting about ebola is the emphasis on bodily fluid transfer. Most of our electorate here believes it is a venereal disease which must be caught through sexual relations. They can't conceive of a disease which can be caught by breathing in the vicinity of an infected person, bumping up against one, or by contact with a blanket returned to Walmart, or just by contact with contaminated surfaces.
Can you believe they sent unprotected law enforcement personnel to move people which may have been exposed to ebola out of an apartment and then sent in a cleanup crew in hazmat suits to clean the place up? Is anybody in charge awake here?

[Wise Owl]

I think I should have said, I am really proud of you guys. I know this is a gun board but you may need them if this really takes off.

[Wise Owl]

Some Interesting reading here:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/conten...nt_2/S142.full (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full)

For example:
The isolation of EBOV from semen 40 days after the onset of illness underscores the risk of sexual transmission of the filoviruses during convalescence. Zaire EBOV has been detected in the semen of convalescent patients by virus isolation (82 days) and RT-PCR (91 days) after disease onset [5 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-5), 14 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-14)]. Marburg virus has also been isolated from the semen and linked conclusively to sexual transmission 13 weeks into convalescence [15 (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full#ref-15)].

Yes. We have some great people here that can think and research.
One issue I have with news reporting about ebola is the emphasis on bodily fluid transfer. Most of our electorate here believes it is a venereal disease which must be caught through sexual relations. They can't conceive of a disease which can be caught by breathing in the vicinity of an infected person, bumping up against one, or by contact with a blanket returned to Walmart, or just by contact with contaminated surfaces.
Can you believe they sent unprotected law enforcement personnel to move people which may have been exposed to ebola out of an apartment and then sent in a cleanup crew in hazmat suits to clean the place up? Is anybody in charge awake here?

Yeah, no kidding. Those guys had the hoods and oxygen tanks strapped to their backs yet those poor deputies got NOTHING, not even gloves let alone a N100 mask. (N95 will not stop wet stuff or ebola viri because the virons are too small. They will go right thru a N95.

[ShooterAZ]

Can you believe they sent unprotected law enforcement personnel to move people which may have been exposed to ebola out of an apartment and then sent in a cleanup crew in hazmat suits to clean the place up? Is anybody in charge awake here?

NO, I can't believe it!!! This is shear stupidity to order them in like that. It's also unbelievable that they actually went in there without the proper gear. I would have drawn the line on that one, and told my superiors no flippin' way, or get me the right equipment. They already have a thankless job as it is. It's assinine stupid stuff like this that can start a full blown Ebola epidemic right here in the U.S.

[montana_charlie]

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. How bout you Charlie?
The more fuzz I grow, the warmer I feel.
But, I'm sure glad that we live out in the country ... literally at the end of the road.

CM

[Wise Owl]

The more fuzz I grow, the warmer I feel.
But, I'm sure glad that we live out in the country ... literally at the end of the road.

CM

Lol @ Charlie....!
And I hear ya about livin in the sticks. It's a good thing in this case.

[Blacksmith]

This link is not about Ebola it is a link about a previous pandemic the world suffered. Ebola could be worse. Here is the CDC report:
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979_article

[shoot-n-lead]

This link is not about Ebola it is a link about a previous pandemic the world suffered. Ebola could be worse. Here is the CDC report:
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979_article

I must have overlooked it...where did it say that ebola could be worse?

[BrassMagnet]

This link is not about Ebola it is a link about a previous pandemic the world suffered. Ebola could be worse. Here is the CDC report:
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979_article

Great link!
I don't believe it actually said it word for word, but ebola has a higher fatality rate.
Just to let folks know, previous ebola outbreaks have been contained in small villages by guarding escape routes until the disease died or the infected all died. A little tough on the village but gentle on the country. That technique might have a different outcome here!

[BrassMagnet]

Most influenzas, flu, kill mostly children and elderly.
1918 Spanish flu killed mostly military age men and women through triggering too much immune response. For the children and elderly, it was almost a normal flu. 1918 flu almost depopulated some military bases.
The 1918 flu was before air travel and it did not appear to spread through sea travel.

[Multigunner]

The 1918 flu was before air travel and it did not appear to spread through sea travel.
It did spread from Europe to North America by sea travel.
Also there was at least one island military base devastated by it.

[BrassMagnet]

It did spread from Europe to North America by sea travel.
Also there was at least one island military base devastated by it.

I read a report somewhere years ago where they compared old news articles of the pandemic and the reports of outbreaks were mostly incompatible with sea travel. A theory was developed which indicated the virus could have arrived in the upper atmosphere via a comet and then slowly drifted down to earth through the atmosphere striking most areas at about the same time.
Most assumptions of how it spread are just assumptions and there are no absolute facts on the spread available although assumptions were reported as facts. Most modern people assume it spread via air travel without looking up the date air travel began. Back then sea travel was assumed.
It didn't start in Spain, it was Spanish because the rest of Europe distrusted "them" and so it came from "them!"

[flounderman]

I'm not that concerned for myself because I'm pretty isolated. What concerns me is the apathy shown by most of the respondents. I don't know why we are allowing free travel from an area with an epidemic that is deadly. Everybody that comes here for treatment does not live. We have terrorists that want to destroy us and a president that doesn't seem concerned about us. They have people willing to strap a bomb on and blow themselves up to kill a few of us. How about they get their hands on the virus or expose themselves and come to New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles and mingle with the people for a few days. Our hospital system couldn't handle it. If the epidemic was in Israel, Obama wouldn't hesitate to bar travel to and from there. Because it's Africa, not only does he allow people in and out from there, he sends a few thousand of our troops there on a non military mission so they are in danger of being exposed. Not enough is known about Ebola to say what the incubation period is, if it can be air transmitted, how long a carrier can remain dormant. If Obama wants to send our troops to the epidemic, he should have to go with them. This is not contained and once the genie is out of the bottle, good luck trying to shove it back in.




Africa and muslim

[BrassMagnet]

I'm not that concerned for myself because I'm pretty isolated. What concerns me is the apathy shown by most of the respondents. I don't know why we are allowing free travel from an area with an epidemic that is deadly. Everybody that comes here for treatment does not live. We have terrorists that want to destroy us and a president that doesn't seem concerned about us. They have people willing to strap a bomb on and blow themselves up to kill a few of us. How about they get their hands on the virus or expose themselves and come to New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles and mingle with the people for a few days. Our hospital system couldn't handle it. If the epidemic was in Israel, Obama wouldn't hesitate to bar travel to and from there. Because it's Africa, not only does he allow people in and out from there, he sends a few thousand of our troops there on a non military mission so they are in danger of being exposed. Not enough is known about Ebola to say what the incubation period is, if it can be air transmitted, how long a carrier can remain dormant. If Obama wants to send our troops to the epidemic, he should have to go with them. This is not contained and once the genie is out of the bottle, good luck trying to shove it back in.




Africa and muslim


Well said!

[Wise Owl]

The following is from a Nurse with a graduate degree. She spells out her credentials in the first paragraph. She explains ebola in easy to understand words. Also spells out how ebola can be airborne. The explanation is long so get a cup of coffee or whatever and just sit and absorb it. It will help dispel a lot of why's and such as to what the mainstream media is telling us all. She doesn't agree with the CDC much.



Ebola, A Nurse’s Perspective
October 1, 2014 dustintolarEbola, Outbreak, Virus 678 Comments

http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/...s-perspective/ (http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ebola-a-nurses-perspective/)


So a few months ago the country was enthralled with the idea of a few patients, infected with the Ebola virus, coming to the United States. Up until this point, we had been safe from Ebola due to the fact that bats can’t fly over the Atlantic. Some people were completely indifferent, while others had seen Outbreak one too many times. Most were a healthy mix, somewhere in between, but what bothered me the most was both the lack of education and the poor information that was spreading more virulently than the virus could ever hope to.

First, I want to stress that I am a nurse, not a virologist, and hopefully throughout my post you will see that I am not pretending to be one. I have a Bachelor’s in Nursing and am currently a graduate student. I have worked extensively with Infectious Disease Specialists. I have been exposed to almost every infectious disease known to the modern world. I have taken courses in Biology, Microbiology, Anatomy, Physiology, Pathophysiology, Advanced Pathophysiology, Pharmacology, and an assortment of others. However, I am not and will not pretend to be an expert, just an experienced professional. When it comes to an epidemic of any sort, my first focus is on the patient, protecting and healing them, my second focus is on protecting the community. I don’t care about which strain does what, or what we can do with in lab. As a nurse, I concern myself with the current patient and future possible patients. I feel the first thing we should examine is Ebola itself. It is foreign to the US, both literally and figuratively. What it does to people and how it harmonizes with nature are both things that most westerners have little concept of. It is a virus, not a bacteria. This means that it is not its own organism. It is actually much smaller and basic than you can imagine. It is nothing more than a few pieces of DNA and some proteins. No cell wall, no cytoplasm, no metabolic functions. This is both their advantage and their downfall. Viruses require a host. For this example I will use the HIV virus. HIV gets into the human body and invades the host’s white blood cells, T4 cells to be exact but I won’t get that involved. The proteins help get the virus into the cell and those few small sequences of DNA write themselves into the host DNA. Now instead of the white blood cell attacking invaders, it is nothing more than an HIV factory. All of its metabolic functions are redirected at producing more of the virus, which pours out of the white blood cell like a sieve until eventually the host cell dies. This is why HIV infected patients have poor immune systems. The virus re-writes the DNA of the host cells. This is not something we can stop. New viruses are pouring out of the white blood cells at a rate of millions a day. We cannot filter them out. We cannot “kill” a little chunk of DNA and we don’t know enough about the human genome to correct the DNA sequences. This is why a lot of viral infections like HIV, Herpes, and Hepatitis are life long infections. HIV invades the white blood cells, Herpes invade the nerve roots, and Hepatitis invades the liver.

Now that we have a better grasp of viruses, we will focus on Ebola a bit more. In tropical Africa, Ebola naturally lives in bats. It is nice to the bats and doesn’t cause them many issues. It is rumored that there are many viruses humans carry our entire lives and have no idea because they show zero symptoms. Therefore, they have never been studied. If this sounds crazy, just remember that it was in recent years the we discovered there was a virus behind cervical cancer. A virus that men can carry and spread without ever knowing they have it. Where the problem arises is that in tropical Africa, people like to eat bats. Sometimes they get infected with Ebola and it spreads. This process is called Zoonosis and can be true of bacteria or viruses. Canines carry Rabies, Armadillos carry Leprosy, Birds carry the Flu, Bats carry Ebola.

When I said Westerners don’t really understand Ebola, the primary aspect that I am talking about is the patient. We don’t ever see what Ebola does. Our media is too censored, we hear how many died, and see people in haz-mat suits. Speaking of suits, we’ve all seen the pictures. Rubber gloves are adequate for AIDS and hepatitis, a simple mask stops Tuberculosis, but this requires space suits, just keep that in mind when you think its no big deal. So here is what happens when you catch Ebola, I figure you’re getting bored with reading right about now, so I’ll spice it up. First the virus gets into your system, I’ll elaborate on that later. Then, it hangs out for a few days, even up to 21, growing, multiplying at a rate of millions a day, and guess what, you’re infectious. Just like with the flu or hand foot and mouth disease, you can be spreading it to others before you show a symptom*. Remember, nurse mind set, protect the community. At first it’s not bad, little nausea, some sweating, diarrhea, much like a stomach bug. But then the virus really starts to build up in your liver and adrenal glands, after it has saturated your blood cells, the lining of your vessel, your skin, and bones. Hepatocellular necrosis occurs, which is fancy term for your liver starts to decompose.Your liver is what regulates blood clotting. This causes your blood either clot up and turn to jelly in your veins, stay liquid and bleed profusely, or a combo of both. The adrenal glands then do the same, causing your blood pressure to drop. This requires lots of IV fluids to keep your circulating volume up. At the same time inflammatory cytokines are released which causes vascular leakage. Cells don’t do a good job of holding things together so it all becomes a bloody goop. Anywhere in your body that blood vessels are shallow, like your nose, ears, gums, throat, GI tract, urethra, vagina, rectum, all start oozing fluids and bleeding because the tissues that normally keep it contained are disintegrating. So now you bleed from every orifice, including your eyeballs. Every time someone or something touches you, your tissue gets damaged which further the cycle, so a shot in the arm turn into a massive blood blister. Those who survive are left with massive scarring. Since the adrenals cannot keep your blood pressure up, and you are losing blood and fluids, we have to put IV fluids in to keep you out of hypovolemic shock. This in turn reduces your blood concentration, lowering your oxygen carrying capacity, which causes your heart to race. So you lay in bed, oozing fluids from everywhere, all while feeling like you just ran a marathon, with bloody diarrhea, oh and did I mention pain? Lots and lots of pain, but you can’t have any pain medicine because your liver and kidneys have failed. This why it pains me when I see this outbreak ONLY has a 50% death rate, when in Africa it is up to 90%…ONLY 50%. That is literally worse than cancer, and people are blowing it off. Imagine if cancer was infectious, and you lived in a country with zero cancer, and someone thought it would be a good idea to fly a few people in. I think there would be a different attitude.

The biggest part of the discussion is how Ebola is spread. I will say two things on the topic, no, it is not airborne, and yes, basic hygiene plays a HUGE factor. But while on the topic of whether it is or is not airborne, the definition of an airborne contagion is one that can freely float in the air, survive lengths of time, and infect someone else. VERY few things fit in this category, most have been eradicated, Polio, Small Pox, Tuberculosis. Things that are also NOT airborne, are the flu and the cold. For the flu, you have to come into direct contact with the patients body fluids. How then, do you explain why people catch it and have no idea how. Well for one, people can spread it before they show symptoms, just like Ebola, and one other HUGE factor…droplets….let that word really sink in. The virus may not be airborne, but the droplets are. I’m going to digress for a second and get back to HIV and hepatitis, while I let droplets dwell in your mind. Everyone knows that HIV and Hepatitis are spread by blood contact, and sexual fluids, I don’t mean a drop of blood on the skin, or even a mucous membrane, it has to get INSIDE of you. This is why only gloves are required. HIV and hepatitis are not found in urine, stool (Some forms of hepatitis are, but you have to eat the stool to get infected) saliva, sweat, tears, or mucous. This is where some viruses are different. The flu gets into your mucous and other secretions, Ebola tends to stay in the blood, but remember, every one of your bodily fluids are full of blood now. So a person with the flu sneezes, and now millions of little droplets (remember those guys?) shoot out of their nose at nearly mach 1, all across the room, same for a cough, all it takes is a little microscopic droplet to land in your eye, nose, mouth, or the unlikely scenario of an open wound, and you’ve now been infected, because you came in CONTACT with their bodily fluids. I see the word contact thrown around a lot, but most people think of mass amounts of contact with blood, but what they don’t realize is that contact also includes microscopic mucous and saliva droplets, each one chock full of Ebola. Now to the second part of this, HIV only lives outside of the human body for a few seconds, maybe minutes if the quantity is high enough, Hepatitis a bit longer. That’s why you hear about the dirty needles at movie theaters and playgrounds, but never hear of an infection, before the perpetrator even leaves the theater, the HIV he left in that needle has already died. Ebola on the other hand survives quite well outside of the host, I can’t find my source again, but I believe its up to 4 days.

So with all this information, lets have some role play, so that you can see exactly what this means, to a nurse, in the real world. Imagine it as a cheesy PSA or lifetime movie. You go to see your doctor because its that time of year, you need some blood drawn and refills of your blood pressure med. You sit patiently in the waiting room, thumbing a magazine while your 2-year-old plays with her toys. Like all two year olds, she touches everything, and everything goes in her mouth, toys, pens, her own fingers. She is a 22 lb drool factory and you love her to pieces. You see the doctor, get your goodies, and go home. A week later your angel starts vomiting blood and within 3 days she dies because her heart raced so fast it finally gave up while trying to maintain a blood pressure. Her eyes are blood red and demonic, her skin falls off in sheets. What you don’t know is that 3 days before your visit, someone thought they had the flu. It is October you see and they sneezed while thumbing through that very same magazine you thumbed through. The same thumb you grabbed her pacifier out of your purse with in the waiting room. The people caring for Ebola patients wear space suits, and burn the bodies, yet it still spreads. Here in America, we have much better protocols, and much better hygiene. So if it spreads, it will be contained much better. Still, it spreads prior to symptoms and survives will outside the body, just like the flu. Despite vaccines and good hand washing, thousands still get the flu every year. But while the flu kills 1-2% of its victims, Ebola kills 50% on a good day, and spreads the same way. So please, do not write it off as hype. It is a real thing and it is here.

The case in Dallas has been confirmed. The patient had contact with five children and adolescents prior to admission. Those five kids attend four of the largest schools in Dallas. One sneeze and we could already have thousands of people, who don’t know it yet, infected.

Thank you for reading. Please feel free to comment.

* I have had a lot of comments in regards to this. I picked my words carefully, but I never imagined getting thousands of views an hour, or my article getting picked apart, but I will try to elaborate now. I said spread, the virus, I did not say you were contagious. What I meant by this, was the summation of two concepts. To fully explain everything I could write a book, but this is meant to be short and sweet. The first concept is that of a fomite. We have established that the virus can survive for an unspecified amount of time outside the host, and we have established that sneezing/coughing is a perfectly logical method of transmission. So if patient A is infectious/contagious, they sneeze on patient B, but then patient B goes home and picks up their sisters 1 6 month old, who rubs his face, and licks all over your shoulder, he could very well have just orally consumed large quantities of the virus, therefore become patient C. Patient B never got sick, the virus never entered their system, yet they are responsible for spreading the virus to someone else. This is why the 5 exposed kids are so important, there may only be a 2% chance or whatever that they’ll get sick, but if they went to school, and each rubbed up against 500 kids in the hallways, you now have 2500 exposed kids, 50 of which will statistically become infected, 25 of which will probably die. No I do not have a source for the 2%, that is just an example number used to represent the relatively low likelihood of contracting the virus if exposed. Remember, heal the patient, PROTECT the community. The second concept of this is defining “symptom”. Lets assume it means anything other than your baseline condition. That means the first signs of being contagious, are also the more mild symptoms, sneezy, achy, nausea, flu-like symptoms. So who is going to wake up, feel a little under the weather, and think,****, I have Ebola, better get quarantined, no, THAT’S how you start fear mongering and mass panic. Again, flu season is upon us, the initial stages of Ebola are like the flu, and its human nature to be in denial, so many people, if infected, would hope its just the flu and wait it out, they are not showing symptoms indicative of Ebola, but they ARE symptomatic of something, and therefore, by the CDC definition, would be contagious. Its also normal procedure for people to be symptomatic BEFORE seeking medical care, so technically, everyone will be contagious, BEFORE knowing they have Ebola. But like I said before, I omitted this lengthy explanation because I didn’t feel it was necessary for the point of the article.

ADDENDUM: Sadly, I feel the need to point out that the title of this blog is “Ebola, A Nurse’s Perspective”, not “A Nurse’s Guide to Surviving the Apocalypse”, or “How to Become an Ebola Expert in 15 minutes”. It could just as well be “Hamburgers, A Chef’s Perspective” and no one would be hounding me over grammar, a misplaced comma, or wanting citations as to why I say it should be on the grill 5 minutes per side of 7 minutes per side. The point is those things are irrelevant to the goal of the article, this is MY perspective (a particular attitude toward or way of regarding something; a point of view.) I don’t have to prove anything, the point of my article is to take what the uneducated (in a medical sense) journalists say, what the talking heads on TV say, and then let you know what the people say who are on the front lines. That’s like discrediting your grandads account of what happened when he stormed Normandy beach, because its not what your history teacher told you. Have I experienced Ebola first hand? Nope, have I experienced a WHOLE lot of other things that the majority of the population has not? You bet your *** I have, and I felt the need to take the time to hopefully help other people out a little. So please keep that in mind, I’m not perfect, but my experiences are my experiences, and I wanted to share them with you, to let you inside the head of a nurse for a minute.

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[JSnover]

Thanks.
:coffee: I still think panic should always be our last option, never our first.
Stay clean, stay safe, and if you get sick, see a doctor.

[Blacksmith]

I must have overlooked it...where did it say that ebola could be worse?

The referenced document did not say it could be worse, I did. Because Ebola has a much greater death rate up to 90% in the third world vs the influenza rate of 2 1/2 %.

In the era before rapid transportation an airborne virus infected 1/3rd of the world's population. If Ebola mutates to an airborne strain it certainly could infect a similar percentage of people world wide. That would mean 100,000,000 cases in the United States alone. Pick what number you think the death rate will be and do the math, at 25% it would be one sixth of the people living in this country would die.

[JSnover]

Since it is the purpose of every organism to survive and procreate, the virus could indeed mutate into an airborne form. It could also mutate into a less lethal form, which make just as much sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Diseases that quickly kill their host are considered to be less well adapted or evolved than those which are able to live somewhat more peacefully with their host. Just a thought...

[Recluse]

Since it is the purpose of every organism to survive and procreate, the virus could indeed mutate into an airborne form. It could also mutate into a less lethal form, which make just as much sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Diseases that quickly kill their host are considered to be less well adapted or evolved than those which are able to live somewhat more peacefully with their host. Just a thought...

Not exactly.

I have LOTS of black widow spiders around my airplane hangar. We all know what happens to the males. . .

It is not uncommon whatsoever in lower, more primitive lifeforms for sacrificial units to exist solely for the purpose of procreation, then death. Look how many different lifeform species die almost immediately after procreation. Additionally, it is not uncommon for parasitic lifeforms to ultimately kill their host--this is especially true in the more primitive lifeforms, of which the Ebola virus is extremely primitive.

For that matter, if you look at the sperm and the egg, in human reproduction, both are sacrificial organisms given that 99.999+% stay in their host, only to die. Neither the egg nor the sperm have mutated to improve odds of survivability.

The Ebola virus, like any virus, needs a host vector in order to initially reproduce in numbers and then be passed on. So much is NOT known about Ebola such as we still don't know what the host vector is. We were told thirty-five years ago before our mission in central/south-central Africa that several common varieties of monkeys were the vectors. In college, I read that rodents could also be the vector. Fleas and mosquitoes were suspected of being transporters, as were beetles and cockroaches.

No one knew. I suspect we still don't know. One thing we do know is that humans make for a fertile vector and the antibodies the virus produce literally explode in production in a human body, ultimately killing it. If the Ebola virus was as fatal in its zoological vectors, such as monkeys, the chances of it making it to humans would be significantly less because the monkeys would die somewhere in the jungle and the troops would kill themselves off.

But instead, the virus exists just fine in its primary host organism--and is overwhelmingly fatal in its end host, humans.

I don't believe in panic. The military took great pains and put me through equally great pain in order to teach me why not to panic and instead to stop and think. . . to reason out a solution by using logic, intellect and available resources.

Unfortunately, the butt-clowns running every level of government in the U.S. didn't have that same training and choose to lie through their bleached teeth to us. All THAT does is create suspicion and ignorance, which are the base ingredients for wide scale panic.

I am WORRIED, but that is significantly different from being PANICKED. By being worried, I can use common sense, logic and available resources to help diminish or eliminate the chances of me and my family being potentially exposed to this little bastard of a virus.

Anyone who chooses not to take this Ebola situation serious is a fool. Again, doesn't mean one needs to panic or run nilly-willy, but instead one should accept that our chances of having it occur again in the U.S. and possibly even have an outbreak are real. . . very real. Have some food and water and basic household goods (toiletries, basic medications, prescriptions, etc) stashed away; have some cash stashed; keep your vehicles full of gas and in good running condition, have several boxes of vinyl gloves and some masks and an ample supply of disinfectants on hand such as Lysol, bleach, ammonia, alcohol.

Common sense. Preparedness.

:coffee:

[smokeywolf]

Since it is the purpose of every organism to survive and procreate, the virus could indeed mutate into an airborne form. It could also mutate into a less lethal form, which make just as much sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Diseases that quickly kill their host are considered to be less well adapted or evolved than those which are able to live somewhat more peacefully with their host. Just a thought...

How many die before Ebola mutates into a peaceful virus? Can anyone name a highly deadly and contagious virus that has mutated into a non-lethal, non-threatening virus?

[MaryB]

Last I read they think bats are the main non human vector


Not exactly.

I have LOTS of black widow spiders around my airplane hangar. We all know what happens to the males. . .

It is not uncommon whatsoever in lower, more primitive lifeforms for sacrificial units to exist solely for the purpose of procreation, then death. Look how many different lifeform species die almost immediately after procreation. Additionally, it is not uncommon for parasitic lifeforms to ultimately kill their host--this is especially true in the more primitive lifeforms, of which the Ebola virus is extremely primitive.

For that matter, if you look at the sperm and the egg, in human reproduction, both are sacrificial organisms given that 99.999+% stay in their host, only to die. Neither the egg nor the sperm have mutated to improve odds of survivability.

The Ebola virus, like any virus, needs a host vector in order to initially reproduce in numbers and then be passed on. So much is NOT known about Ebola such as we still don't know what the host vector is. We were told thirty-five years ago before our mission in central/south-central Africa that several common varieties of monkeys were the vectors. In college, I read that rodents could also be the vector. Fleas and mosquitoes were suspected of being transporters, as were beetles and cockroaches.

No one knew. I suspect we still don't know. One thing we do know is that humans make for a fertile vector and the antibodies the virus produce literally explode in production in a human body, ultimately killing it. If the Ebola virus was as fatal in its zoological vectors, such as monkeys, the chances of it making it to humans would be significantly less because the monkeys would die somewhere in the jungle and the troops would kill themselves off.

But instead, the virus exists just fine in its primary host organism--and is overwhelmingly fatal in its end host, humans.

I don't believe in panic. The military took great pains and put me through equally great pain in order to teach me why not to panic and instead to stop and think. . . to reason out a solution by using logic, intellect and available resources.

Unfortunately, the butt-clowns running every level of government in the U.S. didn't have that same training and choose to lie through their bleached teeth to us. All THAT does is create suspicion and ignorance, which are the base ingredients for wide scale panic.

I am WORRIED, but that is significantly different from being PANICKED. By being worried, I can use common sense, logic and available resources to help diminish or eliminate the chances of me and my family being potentially exposed to this little bastard of a virus.

Anyone who chooses not to take this Ebola situation serious is a fool. Again, doesn't mean one needs to panic or run nilly-willy, but instead one should accept that our chances of having it occur again in the U.S. and possibly even have an outbreak are real. . . very real. Have some food and water and basic household goods (toiletries, basic medications, prescriptions, etc) stashed away; have some cash stashed; keep your vehicles full of gas and in good running condition, have several boxes of vinyl gloves and some masks and an ample supply of disinfectants on hand such as Lysol, bleach, ammonia, alcohol.

Common sense. Preparedness.

:coffee:

[monadnock#5]

How many die before Ebola mutates into a peaceful virus? Can anyone name a highly deadly and contagious virus that has mutated into a non-lethal, non-threatening virus?
Spanish Flu. No one knows where it came from, or where it disappeared to. It's still out there, somewhere. Much like the Black Death. Supposedly, the Black Death was caused by bacterium. Push come to shove OTOH, there really isn't much they know about it for sure.

One of the rules of higher academics, is that new initiates either prove accepted theory wrong, or buy in lock, stock and barrel. That's why The Man From CDC speaks straight party line.

[smokeywolf]

Something else worth reading. Talks of Ebola making it to Haiti and Central American and the how our gov't might react to protect our borders and us from the multitudes of aliens who will crowd across our border.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/10/08/top-us-general-says-ebola-outbreak-coming-through-central-america-is-real/

As the federal gov't gets paid in campaign money, media access, votes and many other forms of bribery to ignore illegal border crossings and in some cases, like the recent tens of thousands of "children" who the zero invited into our Country, this would be the likeliest route for the virus to enter the U.S. in uncontrolled numbers.

Uh-Oh, MARTIAL LAW, MARTIAL LAW. Hummm, I wonder...

smokeywolf

[monadnock#5]

Pat Buchanan spoke on the Honduras/Guatemala gambit on the McLaughlin Group last Sunday. Martial Law is the only possible outcome of this scenario.

[JSnover]

http://www.virology.ws/2014/09/18/what-we-are-not-afraid-to-say-about-ebola-virus/
A rebuttal to the holy-****-we're-all-gonna-die chorus.
I don't know how many mutations have led to non-lethal virus strains but I do know we're exposed every day and we're still here. What was the common cold, way back when?
Ebola is constantly, rapidly mutating but that's not necessarily bad news. Here are a few quotes:

The answer is no. We have been studying viruses for over 100 years, and we’ve never seen a human virus change the way it is transmitted.

The other important message from the Fouchier-Kawaoka ferret experiments is that the H5N1 virus that could transmit through the air had lost its ability to kill (http://www.virology.ws/2012/03/01/influenza-h5n1-is-not-lethal-in-ferrets-after-airborne-transmission/). The message is clear: gain of function (airborne transmission) is accompanied by loss of function (virulence).

I am fully aware that we can never rule out what a virus might or might not do. But the likelihood that Ebola virus will go airborne is so remote that we should not use it to frighten people. We need to focus on stopping the epidemic, which in itself is a huge job.

[reloader28]

Pat Buchanan spoke on the Honduras/Guatemala gambit on the McLaughlin Group last Sunday. Martial Law is the only possible outcome of this scenario.


I think this is the exact situation the government has been waiting for, or in my opinion, planning for.

[Multigunner]

All forms of the flu virus are potentially deadly. Thousands still die from the flu every year.

If you've survived several infections of flu, no matter which strains, you build a certain amount of resistence to more recent strains.
I haven't contracted the flu in over twenty years, used to get it bad every flu season. I've never taken any flu vacine.
My mom survived the Spanish flu when she was a youngster, most of the adults in her family died, maybe I inherited some dormant immunity factor from her that finally kicked in after numerous infections. Knock on wood.

[Multigunner]

A rebuttal to the holy-****-we're-all-gonna-die chorus.

Read the article linked to on the page you visited
http://www.virology.ws/2012/03/01/influenza-h5n1-is-not-lethal-in-ferrets-after-airborne-transmission/

It seems that theres more to this experiment than meets the eye. Also the scientist gave very conflicting opinions of this experiment.

Somehow results of testing using Ferrets doesn't make me feel that it would have the same result in humans. Maybe if he had used primates the result would be more conclusive.

[Multigunner]

Scary development here.
http://www.nature.com/news/scientists-create-hybrid-flu-that-can-go-airborne-1.12925
Just because you can do something is no justification for doing it.

[montana_charlie]

Is there not a community of thinkers among elite circles which believes that the world population needs to be drastically reduced?

[smokeywolf]

Been hearing that for years Charlie.
I think if they had their choice the ones to go would be the middle class independent thinkers. As far as the "elite" are concerned, all below them should be obedient, uncomplaining drones. Put a few uber smart ones in the labs, most of the rest should be clerking, digging ditches, washing cars, food service, maid service etc. Because so much of the manufacturing jobs are now located in foreign countries, half of all in between those two intellectual levels are an unneeded drain on resources.

Although I can't confirm that the "elite" want us dead, I can confirm that they see us as nothing more than a resource (think carpeting) to be used at the lowest cost possible and discarded at the earliest possible moment.

It was about 35 years ago when the "elite" stopped concealing their view that workers were not people or persons, but merely a resource like any other; when the "personnel" department was renamed "human resources".

smokeywolf

[monadnock#5]

Georgia Guidestones Inscription 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Sounds elitist to me. It also stands to reason that the other 9 steps aren't practical until the first step has been taken.
R C Christian. A riddle wrapped in an enigma.

[Multigunner]

Is there not a community of thinkers among elite circles which believes that the world population needs to be drastically reduced?
There was a scientist who was trying to get others to develop an airborne virus for the purpose of killing off most of the human race. I forget his name but I remember he had one leg, having blown off the other leg in a childhood mis hap involving a supposedly deactivated Bazooka shell he had found. Apparently he tried to launch it from his bedroom window like a sky rocket.
The story of that accident stuck in my mind. The bazooka shell had a bullet hole through the nose cone which was probably why it had been discarded. How the victim came to find It I never figured out.

A fellow scientist had ratted this guy out after he spoke of his scheme at a lecture.

[JSnover]

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1959277_847955988569993_5263572099578684951_n.png? oh=74d34b0c175823024d43685880cd1ef6&oe=54AA9ED5&dl=1

We can go back and forth for months without getting anywhere. In terms of annual fatalities Ebola is small change.

[Plate plinker]

So far. Wait six months more and rethink that small change stuff. I hope your right though as Ebola is bad stuff.

[Multigunner]

In terms of annual fatalities Ebola is small change.
I'm sure the Cappadocians thought the same thing about the Black Death at one time.

Last I heard Tobbacco doesn't kill almost everyone exposed to second hand smoke in days or at most weeks.

[slim1836]

118009

1. Have you unknowingly touched or drank from an unsanitary glass, utensil, or plate in a restaurant?
2. Have you picked up products (fruits, Veggies) from the store that had sweat dripped on them by stockers or customers?

The list could be endless. The virus can live outside the body or even on a shelf for an extended period of time.

I for one, am scared.

Slim

[dtknowles]

1. Have you unknowingly touched or drank from an unsanitary glass, utensil, or plate in a restaurant?
2. Have you picked up products (fruits, Veggies) from the store that had sweat dripped on them by stockers or customers?

The list could be endless. The virus can live outside the body or even on a shelf for an extended period of time.

I for one, am scared.

Slim

I am not scared yet, the odds are so low right now for exposure. If a few more cases start to spread or there are cases in my area. I am prepared to wear gloves and mask in public and not be in crowds. I know the mask is no protection but I hope it scares people enough to give me space and think about the situation.

Tim

[monadnock#5]

I am not scared yet, the odds are so low right now for exposure. If a few more cases start to spread or there are cases in my area. I am prepared to wear gloves and mask in public and not be in crowds. I know the mask is no protection but I hope it scares people enough to give me space and think about the situation.Tim
Actually, a mask is a powerful tool for protecting against a vast number of communicable diseases. According to whichever source you reference, the average human being touches their face anywhere from 400 to 3,000 times a day. It's like we're hardwired as a species to sponge up every disease that gets within arms reach. A mask makes one stop and think before touching.
I was taught in First Aid class that a 10% solution of bleach to water will kill all known blood borne pathogens. Does anyone have a link to whether this works for Ebola?

[MaryB]

Yes bleach is effective on ebola, it is what they are using to decontaminate areas and people.

[Bullshop Junior]

I have to drive threw Dallas tomorrow. Ooooooooooo. Im sooo scared.

[Catshooter]

Glad to see you're being an adult about it Daniel.


Cat

[RoyEllis]

I have to drive threw Dallas tomorrow. Ooooooooooo. Im sooo scared.

Leave the testosterone induced bravado in your Levi's for a moment, read & consider this quote from post 201 by Recluse.....
"I am WORRIED, but that is significantly different from being PANICKED. By being worried, I can use common sense, logic and available resources to help diminish or eliminate the chances of me and my family being potentially exposed to this little bastard of a virus.

Anyone who chooses not to take this Ebola situation serious is a fool. Again, doesn't mean one needs to panic or run nilly-willy, but instead one should accept that our chances of having it occur again in the U.S. and possibly even have an outbreak are real. . . very real. Have some food and water and basic household goods (toiletries, basic medications, prescriptions, etc) stashed away; have some cash stashed; keep your vehicles full of gas and in good running condition, have several boxes of vinyl gloves and some masks and an ample supply of disinfectants on hand such as Lysol, bleach, ammonia, alcohol.

Common sense. Preparedness. "

and I leave you with a quote from Machiavelli...“There are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, and the third is useless..”

[762 shooter]

15 days.

http://www.twcc.com/articles/2014/10/12/s/state-health-officials-2nd-ebola-case-in-texas

762

[Handloader109]

BTW, health care worker who treated ebola patient in Dallas has tested Positive for ebola
Be worried, this **** is dangerous to us all

[762 shooter]

Chief clinical Officer at Press conference just verified that infected healthcare worker WAS wearing full CDC protective equipment at time of contact.

They all look like deer in the headlights.

762

[Newtire]

Someone has to ask/ Ebola--How concerned are we ??
It seems we have the potential for a problem of sorts.
So my simple question is, How concerned are you folks ?

How much of the B/S media do you or are you believing ?Hi gray wolf. Sounds to me likethe feds are not concerned so why should we be....oh wait, these are the people who brought us Pearl Harbor disaster (for instance). The Feds have lost their credibility with me, so when I hear them downplaying something like this, I can't really believe them. I think we ought to start getting concerned.

[Hickory]

Chief clinical Officer at Press conference just verified that infected healthcare worker WAS wearing full CDC protective equipment at time of contact.

They all look like deer in the headlights.
762
I think most people who do not consider the potential of this virus will somehow be surprised when they or family members contract it. What a shame.

[monadnock#5]

I have to drive threw Dallas tomorrow. Ooooooooooo. Im sooo scared.

Don't pick up any hitchhikers.

[Wise Owl]

Partial video of this morning's press conference.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3835190537001/officials-hold-press-conference-on-latest-ebola-case/#sp=news-clips

In case this is not mentioned in the video. They have cordoned off 4 square blocks around this female nurse's duplex in East Dallas. They plan on going into that duplex later today to decontaminate it.

This nurse had on the full suit/mask/booties/gloves per recommendation of the CDC. And she still was exposed and has Ebola. This is not a joke now. If she got it when wearing FULL protection, anyone can catch it if near someone with ebola.

Still no word mentioned about the family of Duncan either. OR the 48 OTHER people in quarantine situations.

I think it's the judge that is giving the details in the video. He looks pretty upset and should be considering he was in that Duncan apartment with no protection on while there were still contaminated articles of clothing/bedding/etc there. PLUS he took others in there with him to become exposed. Incubation period is anywhere from 2 to 21 days so he is still in the window to come down with ebola as are those deputies AND the doctors that went in there.

People are not laughing and smiling in this presser like other pressers about Duncan who just died. This happened in the US. Not in Africa and brought over by plane.

[Love Life]

Uncle Sugar is concerned about the ebola virus.

[HarryT]

Its strange that a nurse in full protective gear gets Ebola from Duncan but the people he lived with (while vomiting, sweating, ect...) have not contacted the virus.

[Wis. Tom]

The American way of life, a crisis is only a crisis, if it affects...me. Sad isn't it.

[Wise Owl]

Live CDC presser on TV now on FOX channels. If you have tv, turn it on. We don't so I am just trying to keep up with comments made over at tb2k forum. Not looking good for the so called "experts" at this time.

Oh and they are blaming the nurse who cared for Duncan several times for breaking protocol. (sure she did, they have to blame someone other than their own stupidity)

Former head of the CDC is saying this patient should be moved to Emory or other LEVEL 4 facility. Just like Duncan should have been moved.
Tracking another 18 employees/patients not in the 48 first announced as high risk. These including nurse who is sick were considered low risk. (see how well that worked out for them)

[Wise Owl]

Finally found this report from Breitbart--Duncan was Treated in Level 2.

“Even now, the patient is being treated under BSL-2 (biosafety level 2) conditions, although the World Health Organization states that BSL-4 precautions are needed for working with Ebola virus,”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-of-Government (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/06/CDC-Chief-Frieden-on-Ebola-Sealing-Borders-Increases-People-s-Distrust-of-Government)


Level 2 is for measles.

See this for good background from Washington State Univ on LV2:

http://www.bio-safety.wsu.edu/biosaf...training_2.pdf (http://www.bio-safety.wsu.edu/biosafety/documents/forms/pdf/training_2.pdf)

[monadnock#5]

Its strange that a nurse in full protective gear gets Ebola from Duncan but the people he lived with (while vomiting, sweating, ect...) have not contacted the virus.
I saw a clip on TV or the net where a doctor demonstrated the No1 cause of transmission to someone in full protective gear and no team member to assist/supervise. At the end of shift the suit is unzipped, the hood removed, and the worker feeling the let down and relief of getting out of the hot zone, reaches up and sweeps the sweat off his/her brow......with their hand still gloved. God Help Us All. Until informed otherwise, I will "assume" that this is where it all went wrong for the poor woman.

[Wise Owl]

Notes from the CDC presser from people on tb2k...(hat tip to them)

Frieden back up now---answering questions:

Reporter asking why they are saying nurse took off her equipment:

NURSE DOES NOT IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC BREACH (of protocol) (but they are giving IMPRESSION she did!!!)

Are they going to require more gear?

Frieden: "It's very concerning; the protocols work, we need more training in using gear and proper protocols"

Dr. Gusser ABC news asking: You were saying how diff to implement proper infection control--is there any consideration of moving patients to the special units where people HAVE that special training instead of hospitals where they don't?

Frieden: We're looking into that but ALL hospitals NOT to let their guard down and to put proper protocols in palce in case anyone from Guinea, Liberia, or Sierra Leone comes in (well then don't LET them come in--to the COUNTRY!!!)

CNN reporter: what kind of contacts & what was the role of the person infected? (I assume he means who SHE had contact with?)

Dr. Lakey: the 48 who are known to have potential contact have daily had an on-site visit with one of the epidemeologists and had tempt taken; the secondary HCW's are doing SELF-monitoring he keeps saying "where they have no breach"

And this woman was NOT in the group of 48?

Lakey: No--we're looking at defining what this new number is.

Frieden: to ID new number, we do detailed interviews, record reviews, cast the net wide (blah blah)

NYTimes: Dr. F, "tried to limit things to essential procedures"--what does that mean? How do you limit procedures w/o compromising care?

F: we try to keep to an absolute Minimum # of HCW's who enter area; doing fewer blood draws, once / day instead of twice a day if person is not vomiting or has diarrhea

Wall St. Journal: Comment on preparedness of reg hospitals--wht does this incident say generally about preparedness of hospitals around country?

F: very important to consider physical layout (of hospital?) -- an anteroom to put on / take off PPE---but says it is NOT a disease that spreads thru air, however, on personnel training, supervision, follow-up, monitoring--very intensive training process

FOX radio: How frustrating is this for you after saying "we're gonna stop ebola in its tracks:" and now a breach of protocol is causing this transmission?

It's deeply concerning that this infection occurred and our thoughts are with this HCW who seems to have become infected in the course of that care

we need to ramp up control of any patient suspected or confirmed to have ebola


calling patient "she"


following up on one other person who had contact with her


(but didn't they say above they were NOT SURE she HAD breached protocol??? Because NEITHER THEY NOR THE NURSE KNEW OF ANY PLACE OR INCIDENT AT WHICH SHE HAD BREACHED PROTOCOL!!)

Lakey: It's heartbreaking; we feel bad for the nurse, blah blah she's going to have a hard time but are we goint to stop this in this hosp I firmly beleive we WILL stop it.

F: yesterday we began screening at JFK airport; anticipating starting screening at "the other 4 airports" this Thursday

"Can you speak to how a HCW using these high precautions got ebola when several people sharing that apt several days did not?

F: when patients have ebola they become progressively infectious the sicker they become; people in contact w index patient are not yet out of their 21-day period but medical procedures involved with dealing with vomit, blood, diarrhea make it likely to get infected and he was sicker then

"This HCW was NOT in the initial group of 48; this morning Varga said they were tracking 19; is this person part of the 19 or part of a larger group?

2nd question--the hospital has had to do a lot of "walkbacks" --not the best information--given the hospital's track record of not providing accurant info inititally can you tell us whether there are nay other symptoms besides fever?

48 are the people who had contact up to Sept. 28 BEFORE he was isolated; from the 28th to Oct. 8th there may have been "additional" contacts--we are investigating (NEW investigation) to see if "anyone else may have been exposed" post-isolation

Only "mild symptoms" and "low-grade fever"

Donna Young with (Scripts?)--"you've kind of gone around this---why was she NOT included in the original 48? "

F: We monitored all contacts up to Sept. 28; given this apparent infection we will NOW be monitoring all contacts who may have had contact DURING THE HOSPITAL STAY.

Lakey: those at MINIMAL RISK had "guidance to do self-monitoring" and this patient did that

Reporter: "how common is it for people to be on dialysis or intubated who have ebola & how often do HCWs have to deal with that situation?"

He knows of none in US

Of the 48 being monitored, including the 10 who are KNOWN to have contact, that only includes people who had contact BEFORE Sept 28 when he was isolated

I note he is as the reporter said, STILL dancing around that earlier "18" or "19" number and won't explain it---wonder why???

[Wise Owl]

As I type, the Fox KDFW live stream has just started replaying the CDC 11am CDST presser.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/category/264130/stream-1

[montana_charlie]

In addition to learning about what it takes to keep from being infected, it is certainly disturbing to hear of supposedly intelligent people who are willing to put everyone at risk.

Dr. Nancy Snyderman was unable to comply with her promise to self-quarantine for 21 days.
Now, she and her whole crew are under mandatory quarantine ... but the article doesn't say where.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/11/NBC-News-Crew-Under-Mandatory-Ebola-Quarantine-After-Dr-Nancy-Snyderman-Reportedly-Violates-Self-Imposed-Isolation

CM

[Wise Owl]

Thanks Charlie for the article. I just posted it over on the new ebola thread at tb2k. Not sure if it is up there yet on their main thread but it needs to get circulated. New Jersey could be new hot spot.

(stupid woman, really stupid woman even if she IS a doctor)

[popper]

B.J.; just don't pick up hitchers in OK on 69/75, unless you got though Huntsville - 45.
"this is a really hard illness to get" - but the protocol that was 'suspected' to fail was unsuiting from the bunny suit? Jenkins is a 'jerk' who gets involved in everything visible. No one is speaking of the Omaha case. Been in a different hospital since last Tues, staff here indicated getting a lot of resumes from Presby. So our troops will get a bleach transfusion & shower when they come back?

[montana_charlie]

(stupid woman, really stupid woman even if she IS a doctor)
She may think that as long as she stays in the car, she is still quarantined.
But, the companions in the car with her should ALSO be disallowed from public contact ... yet, one of them went into the restaurant to pick up their order.

I saw no indication that those companions have been identified and quarantined ...

CM

[thebigmac]

She may think that as long as she stays in the car, she is still quarantined.
But, the companions in the car with her should ALSO be disallowed from public contact ... yet, one of them went into the restaurant to pick up their order.

I saw no indication that those companions have been identified and quarantined ...

CM


Julie; I have spent the last hour reading ALL 244 posts from members who have shown an interest about this case.

I personally want to THANK YOU for all you have posted. All members reading this should feel as I do, that is, glad to have Julie on our membership roles.

THANKS AGAIN

thebigmac

[Wise Owl]

(Julie says thanks and blushes. Just want to help keep people informed who we care about. You all are family. K?
Now back to the news from Dallas)

CDC confirms second US Ebola case


By Kyle Balluck (http://thehill.com/author/kyle-balluck) - 10/12/14 04:07 PM EDT
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-us-ebola-case (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/220523-cdc-confirms-second-us-ebola-case)
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Sunday
confirmed test results showing that a healthcare worker in Dallas has (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/220503-second-us-ebola-case-confirmed)
contracted the deadly Ebola virus (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/220503-second-us-ebola-case-confirmed).

The unidentified healthcare worker treated Thomas Eric Duncan, who
died in Dallas last week. The worker, who remains isolated, was
self-monitoring for fever and symptoms.“This development is
understandably disturbing news for the patient, the patient’s family and
colleagues and the greater Dallas community,” the CDC said in a
statement.

“The CDC and the Texas Department of State Health Services
remain confident that wider spread in the community can be prevented
with proper public health measures, including ongoing contact tracing,
health monitoring among those known to have been in contact with the
index patient, and immediate isolations if symptoms develop.

“Careful monitoring of all health care workers who had interaction with
the index patient and this second patient is warranted, including those
who cared for the index patient between the time he was isolated in the
hospital September 28 through the time of his death on October 8, and
they will now be considered patient contacts for follow-up
monitoring,” the CDC added.

One close contact of the healthcare worker has been identified and is
being monitored, the CDC said.

[Wise Owl]

Possible ebola patient in Braintree, MA. That's just south of Boston.


Officials quarantine Braintree medical facility,
isolate with possible Ebola protocol



By Jennifer Smith
Globe Correspondent
October 12, 2014
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...VgK/story.html (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/12/ebola/z3DybKoXBg0XjPO6m5yVgK/story.html)

Harvard Vanguard Medical Center in Braintree is being quarantined and
a patient isolated outside the facility with a possible case of Ebola,
officials said.

“Ebola protocol is in place,” said Joe Zanca of Braintree Fire Department.
“We don’t know if he actually has Ebola.”

William Cash, also a Braintree firefighter, said “no one is leaving.”

The patient recently traveled to West Africa, and is being isolated based
on his medical complaints, fire officials said.

Police, fire officials, and emergency medical services responded to the
scene, along with a hazmat team, Zanca said.

Rushlau can be reached at katherine.rushlau@globe.com.
Follow her on Twitter @katyrushlau (http://twitter.com/katyrushlau)

[Wise Owl]

So, after reading a bit more, the possible in Braintree, MA is in isolation outside the medical center. Maybe an ambulance till they get results back on tests? That's what I am getting out of listening to the chatter on tb2k and the links they provide. I will update if I see anything new on this one.
Most of the other suspected cases have proven not to be infected but it can happen. We have proof of that with Duncan dying in Dallas. Need to shut down air traffic from West Africa and seal the southern border up. NOW.

[Wise Owl]

From tb2k and a member watching CNN. Apparently a protest was going on outside the hospital in Dallas.
Also mentioned that the patient in Braintree was transferred to Beth Israel Hospital. Not sure where that is at present.

Anyway, here is what was reported that the nurses were saying in Dallas.


CNN getting ready to interview nurses holding signs

host said they are saying don't blame us for not following protocol when there is no protocol


COMING UP NEXT


Looks like they are having a protest of some type



Just said they have moved the boston patient to another hospital ...beth Israel or something




The nurses are saying they are asking for training..not being given information....not told how to handle waste....saying then when they are infected they are blaming them



They are being asked to risk their lives caring for these patients without the proper training, equipment and information to do this. Been asking for training for a couple months and are not getting it.

[Wise Owl]

A patient with Ebola-like symptoms is being taken to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, according to Harvard Vanguard Medical Associates.

Emergency workers were on the scene at Harvard Vanguard Medical Associates in Braintree after unconfirmed reports that a patient had been isolated, a Braintree fire department official told Boston.com.

According to Harvard Vanguard, the patient had recently traveled to Liberia and came to the facility complaining of headache and muscle aches.

Joe Zanca of Braintree Fire told The Boston Globe “Ebola protocol is in place.”

Zanca toldThe Boston Herald that the urgent care offices on Grossman Drive were quarantined after the patient turned up at 1:30 p.m. Sunday. Harvard Vanguard reports that the facility was closed briefly but is now re-opened.

John Monahan of Fox 25 reports that the patient came to the facility to refill a prescription. He then reportedly returned to his car before clinic staff ran out after him to prevent him from leaving.

According to The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, symptoms of Ebola include fever, muscle pain, weakness, vomiting, stomach pain, unexplained bleeding, severe headache and diarrhea.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...wtN/story.html (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/10/12/braintree-hospital-isolates-patient-with-ebola-like-symptoms/BJk9dYCxIbcapX6f9CIwtN/story.html)

[Wise Owl]

Here is how the transmission happened:

http://nypost.com/2014/10/11/the-ago...ebola-patient/ (http://nypost.com/2014/10/11/the-agonizing-last-days-of-the-first-us-ebola-patient/)

Finally, at 2 p.m. on Sept. 30, doctors received the confirmation that all had been dreading: “Patient has tested positive for Ebola…” The staff attending to Duncan traded their gowns and scrubs for hazmat suits and attendants would scrub the room with bleach.

This was AFTER 40+ hours of nursing care, since he was hospitalized on the 28th.