Armscore 22TCM Bolt Action Rifle Range Report

[lbaize3]

I managed to get my hands on one of the first new Armscore/Rock Island bolt action rifles in 22 TCM. A Millett 4-16x50 side focus scope was selected and mounted using air gun rings because the rifle did not come with iron sights and was grooved like a 22 rim fire rifle. There was an odd screw at the front of the 3/8 inch grooves that I guess was a stop to keep the rings from sliding forward. I removed the screw and used the stop from the rings in the hole to stop ring movement. After bore sighting the scope I was ready to go to the range and try out this gem. I was looking forward to shooting what had been advertised as a 2800 fps accurate little rifle. But, like so many things in life, the rifle did not live up to expectations.

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I think the rifle looks just fine and the barrel appears to be free floated for its' entire length. The trigger, however is entirely too heavy. There is a screw at the back of the trigger guard that allows one to adjust what appears to be the trigger/sear engagement. But it does nothing to lighten the trigger pull. I tried to take the action out of the stock to see about a quick trigger job, but could not pull the action from the stock. Something appeared to be catching the trigger guard and magazine well (all one piece of plastic) and I did not want to force it and break a part. I placed a trigger shoe on the trigger to help ease the pull and will have to make a trip to my friendly local gunsmith for help removing the action from the stock.

At the range, I had some initial difficulty getting the scope sighted in. After a bit of difficulty I realized I needed to unlock the turrets... Gee, you'd think by my age, I would remember the obvious things... Even with the wind gusting to over 10 miles per hour (estimated), I got some good groups at fifty yards:


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Note that the average speed of the factory ammo was only 2651 fps. Certainly not the 2800 fps advertised. Major disappointment. And about one in ten of the rounds locked up the bolt requiring me to use a small rubber mallet to open the bolt. I measured the ammo cases after getting home and the unfired cases measured a uniform 0.372 and the fired cases measured anywhere between 0.375 and 0.377. And there were scratch marks on the brass that indicated a somewhat rough chamber. I believe this can be resolved by judicious polishing of the chamber.


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The above is a second 50 yard group using factory ammo. You can see that it is slightly over an inch and I attribute that to the wind. One hundred yard shooting was not too bad, but as you can see below, it had an affect on the accuracy of this rifle/ammo combo.

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I think that reloads with a better quality 22 Hornet 40 grain bullet will result in much better accuracy. Needless to say I have some 35, 40 and 46 grain 22 Hornet and 218 Bee bullets ordered and will be doing some testing to see what I can do to improve the accuracy of this inexpensive little rifle. I have also just ordered a Magneto Speed V3 to check the speed of my loads here at the house, quickly and easily. (It happens to be on sale at Midway today for $349). Beats the heck out of going to the range to check my loads. I will let you know more when I do.

[Got-R-Did]

Better bullet will surely be the litmus test to prove it's potential.
I look forward to an update.
Got-R-Did.

[oger]

You've had better luck than I have, lets just say it's a work in progress.

[Bullshop]

New barrels seldom shoot to the future potential of the rifle. After a few hundred rounds it should do better.
Just recently I was reminded of this fact by a New Stevens 223. The first few shots with cast leaded badly. Jacketed loads that had a proven record in other rifles were terrible. Normally I would just let the barrel shoot in but this particular new barrel was extremely rough so I fire lapped it. Now it shoots cast very well with no leading and jacketed bullet ammo from the same lot tried initially that shot so poorly now shoots well.
My 22 CCM mod 38 Cooper rifle took at least 500 rounds through the barrel before it would deliver any dependable accuracy. This was with cast boolits only as I don't shoot jacketed bullets in it. Now after perhaps 5000 rounds as a rough estimate as to how many shots it has fired it is extremely accurate.

[historicfirearms]

That's an interesting little riffle and cartridge combo. What's the street price on the rifle? Is it made in the Philippines like other Rock Island guns?

[Bullshop]

I saw what looked like that same rifle chambered in 22 Hornet at a gun show about ten years ago. The rifle I saw was made in the Philippines.
Looks like a nice little rifle chambered for what amounts to be ballistically a modern 22 Hornet.

[texassako]

I have wanted one of those rifles since they were announced for some reason. Probably because I like odd, little cartridges. Maybe I will wait and see how they settle in after a bit of break in.

[lbaize3]

The rifles run from $369 to $400. I paid $400 because all of those less expensive guns were sold when I discovered them.... Armscore is bringing 300 rifles per month to the US. So they are going to be hard to find for a bit...

As an update on my rifle. I took my firearm to Ken Lloyd (my favorite gunsmith) and he polished the chamber and set the trigger at 2 pounds. He also discovered that my barrel was loose and could be unscrewed by hand. He resolved that problem and put lock tight on the threads so that the barrel would not come loose again.

I have been wanting to go to the range to check the factory load velocity, and accuracy with the improvements. I also have reloaded 50 more cartridges with various other J-words and will report on them when I get back from the range.

[Got-R-Did]

Good Times!
I look forward to an update and details.
Got-R-Did.

[worker]

look forward your updated report. I am a fan of .22 TCM, and planning to get this rifle. I would like to have a consistent 2.800+ speed out of it with factory ammo.

[Gtek]

This round has been tempting me for a while. I have a take off 22-250 barrel 1-16 I am thinking about stubbing onto a Handi. My math puts this round at about 10 cents a pop with Boolit/bulk "J"s which equals 22lr it seems at today's prices. Pull back for can or run it at 2k, might be a lot of fun in there. Curious- what twist are they coming in? I have been brain bashing for a bolt receiver to build on but the only one really workable for magazine and rear lugged is the 788 (man, people love them things it appears due to used prices). Destroyer was another option, but mine had to become a 45 and the cost of them used now equals this new. How about some gun porn with pictures of bolt and feed ramp.

[lbaize3]

If velocity is the main reason you want the 22 TCM please note that the 22 Hornet holds more powder. The 22 TCM barely holds 13.2 grains of AA 1680 and that is a fine powder. I will try heavier loads of H110 to see how it works. I have been delayed in reporting the speed of my loads because my Magneto Speed V3 has not arrived yet. It was shipped today and should be here in 2 days. But it has also been raining dogs, cats, cows and meatballs here lately. As soon as I can, I will venture to the range to make a supplemental report.

I did shoot a Nosler 40 grain Varmagedon bullet with 13.2 grains of AA 1680 at a gallon green tea jug full of water. At about 25 yards the jug blew up like it was sitting on a stick of dynamite. There was an entrance hole, but no exit hole.... And there was no sign of excess pressure from the load. I love being able to test fire cartridges in my back yard.

[Bullshop Junior]

Ive been eye balling one of these. The cases can be made from 223, correct?

[porkchop bob]

Ive been eye balling one of these. The cases can be made from 223, correct? 22-TCM is a shorten 223 with same OAL as 45ACP designed to be fired in a 1911 frame. It is difficult to find 22-Hornet brass. Once fired 223 is available. 22-Hornet case has larger volume but short case life when hot loads are fired. 22-TCM case is stronger and should hold up better with hot loads designed for the rifle . Problem is how to mark the Hot loads to avoid being shot in the pistol.
10/15/2014 - Measured case volume by putting spent primer in cases and filling with water.
22-TCM 15.0 grains water - volume is larger by about 1.0 grains of water.
22-Hornet 14.0 grains water

[Gtek]

Where have you found any 1680? A 61' model with a flip phone does not stand a chance.

[lbaize3]

You would not believe the amount of powder I keep on hand. 1680 is one of my go to powders for several different cartridges. I have not looked for any since Obama was first elected.

[richhodg66]

I honestly didn't know about the .22 TCM until reading this post but have been playing with cast in a .22 Hornet for .22 LR duplication. Seems like this would work well for that. How does that rifle handle? Part of the reason for getting the little Savage 219 I'm using now is because of its small and graceful handling characteristics, like a .22. Is this rifle of yours a full sized action or closer to the size of .22 Hornet actions?

[lbaize3]

richhodg66: The 22 TCM is a great little cartridge using jacketed Armscor 40 grain bullets and several other commercial offerings that I am currently investigating. The problem is the magazine that is used to feed the ammo to the rifle. You can not use most cast boolits because the boolit will have to fit below the neck where the hot gases of the powder can cause melting before the boolit enters the rifling. If loaded where the boolit fits in the neck and does not protrude into the powder.... the cartridge will be too long to fit into the magazine and will probably hang up on the rifling. There are several others on this forum that have used cast boolits in their 22 TCM pistols and I would be grateful to hear from them.

[Bullshop]

Is anyone making a bolt action rifle in the FN-5 7? Before Shroader brass became available for the 22 Cooper Dan Cooper told me they had been converting some of there model 38 rifles that had been chambered for the 22 Cooper cartridge (22 CCM) to the FN57 cartridge.

[richhodg66]

Any updates to this thread? Seems to be very little in the way of reviews on these rifles floating around the web.

I'm intrigued with the idea of it, wish I could go see one in the flesh but there don't seem to be any around here.

Does anyone know if this rifle is the same action they used to import as the Squires Bingham model 1500 or something? I've had one of those since I was 14 or so in .22 WMR. It never was exceptionally accurate, but I hunted a lot with it and it was plenty good enough for the purpose.

[Arisaka99]

The savage walking varminter is in 5.7 I believe. Double check on that though. I was looking at a 1911 in 22TCM. It's an interesting little round. I would like to see how it compares to .22 Hornet and K-Hornet

[richhodg66]

This month's SHooting Times has a rather good write up on this rifle and a reloading column about the .22 TCM.

I really like the idea of a small, light, graceful .22 Centerfire. I really like those qualities about my Savage 219. This Armscor rifle apparently has a fairly heavy barrel and the article says it weighs a bit over seven pounds unloaded and without scope. If they choose to make a slimmer version, I'm sold, but it sounds as big as my .223 rifles as it is.

[MT Chambers]

Shooting Times could only get 2.5" groups in that rifle at 100yds, I only know of what I have read about this cartridge/rifle but past experience does not show much quality to any Philipine rifles.

[richhodg66]

Shooting Times could only get 2.5" groups in that rifle at 100yds, I only know of what I have read about this cartridge/rifle but past experience does not show much quality to any Philipine rifles.


That's true, but I don't think it tells the whole story. They only used Armscor's factory ammo, so that is a problem right there. The stuff is designed for functioning in auto pistols, not real accuracy. I'd suspect guys like you and I who handload could do a lot better.

He also mentions in the text that of those groups, usually three shots would group under an inch. He also says that the rifle looks like it could use some bedding tweaking, the barrel is tight in the stock channel. Yes, 2.5" groups out of the box doesn't seem great, but I suspect it could od better.

I just can't get past the size and weight of it. A rifle in a caliber like that should be small and nice handling, if it's clunky and as heavy as my .223 Savage 110, I don't need it.

[richhodg66]

One thing about this, and I think the OP mentioned it, is the need to make rounds work through the magazine makes seating depth critical. In some calibers anyway, I have found seating them below the case neck isn't a problem, but if a guy wanted to shoot cast in this rifle, what bullet would work? I think it's the 225 107 (?) little 37 grain FN designed for the Hornet that is very short, would that be the bullet of choice for the .22 TCM?

[HATCH]

I plan to use a lyman 225438
44 grains gas checked flat point.
the 225107 (again I think thats the #) thats 37 grain gas checked would also work.
I intend to coat them with hitek and not use a gas check.

I did order two rifles from gunbroker yesterday for $400 each. Dealer had BUY IT NOW for $400 plus shipping. Had 12 rifles when I saw it. He has sold out now.

I have loaded a few thousand for the 1911 (FMJ) and they seem to function fine.
My dad and brother have converted Ruger rifles and I want to say that my loads shoot around 2800-2900 FPS. Its using 1680 and factory brass and bullets.

[richhodg66]

I noticed that dealer with the rifles, funny how fast those things sell.

I have the 225438 and it works well in my Hornet, but no better so far and in most cases not as well as the Bator or the NOE group buy.

Please *** results you get from your rifles. I think I'm gonna wait and see if they bring out a lighter, slimmer version, but I'll be interested in what kind of cast loads work in it in the meantime.

[roysha]

One thing about this, and I think the OP mentioned it, is the need to make rounds work through the magazine makes seating depth critical. In some calibers anyway, I have found seating them below the case neck isn't a problem, but if a guy wanted to shoot cast in this rifle, what bullet would work? I think it's the 225 107 (?) little 37 grain FN designed for the Hornet that is very short, would that be the bullet of choice for the .22 TCM?

That is what I'm using in my CZ Hornet and the Micro Mag. So far it works fine in the Hornet (3/4" at 50 yards) but need to do more work with the pistol. Although it functions the pistol nicely, accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. (6"-7" at 25 yards for a magazine full). I have tried only the GC bullet and am waiting for nicer weather to test the PB version. Cast quite hard, lubed with Carnuba Red and currently using HOR GCs. When they are gone I'll be using the GCs I got from Blammer.

[HATCH]

Its going to be spring most likely before i shoot the rifle.
Guessing two weeks before they show up

[joejo]

hello guys, I found this forum searching google for the 22 tcm rifle. I too, purchased on of these rifles. I bought it just because I like small case cartridges and I have a tcm pistol.

I have a question for the op of this thread.
have your hard extraction problems gone away? I found with my rifle the problem was with bolt to bore alignment. just for the heck of it, next time you have a case that's difficult to extract, try to re-chamber that empty case once you get the bolt back. my rifle this was impossible. the rim ahead of the bolt face, was actually contacting the case head and not allowing the case head to fit into the bolt face. I had to relieve some of that material so the fired cases would stop binding between the chamber wall and bolt. I think this was also causing some of the poor accuracy issues. another range trip will confirm that.
all in all though I like the rifle, I just bought it for a fun, plinking, truck gun.

have you since found that you need to pull the mag release out to get the rifle out of the stock, and that the trigger guard is actually aluminum not plastic.

[lbaize3]

Joejo, Glad to have you aboard. My gunsmith found my rifle barrel to be loose. He polished the chamber and tightened the barrel with locktite on the threads. No problems with extraction now. Have been under the weather and unable to make a trip to the range. I will be loading some 22 TCM today. Probably with AA#1680 (13 grains), AA#9 (10 grains) and H110 (10.3 grains). As soon as I can make the trip to the range I will be posting my results. Look forward to you doing the same.

[joejo]

well I did a little shooting today with the tcm. I only shot steel so I have no groups to show but I did all shooting with the magneto speed strapped to the barrel to verify velocities. here is what I suppose others can expect.

I am using federal primers and a hornady 35grn vmax and win 296 powder

I didn't feel like mixing up any devcon so I tried to do a little bedding with some of that steel puddy you mix like play doh. I just hogged out some wood around the magwell which kinda acts as the recoil lug and also under the front and rear of the receiver as well as the first inch of barrel. I just pressed the stuff in there and squeezed the barreled action into the stock. came out pretty nice actually. anywho here is the velocity results.

these are all 5 shot averages, and btw there was absolutely no hard extraction since I relieved the bolt head and polished the chamber with some iosso and jb.

10.2 grn 2624fps
10.6 grn 2750fps
10.9 grn 2796fps
11.2 grn 2804fps
11.5 grn 2942fps
11.7 grn 2979fps
11.9 grn 3045fps
12.1 grn 3080 fps

I think I will settle around 11.8 grains. next i'll try hodgdon lil gun after some groups on paper.
I had no pressure issues but like always if anyone tries this use your at own risk and start low!

[CLAYPOOL]

I hope that barrel isn't locked in place for ever. Might want to remove it and install something else down the road..

[joejo]

I hope that barrel isn't locked in place for ever. Might want to remove it and install something else down the road..

huh? no it just unthreads like any other barrel.

[joejo]

oh.... unless you mean bc of the epoxy. come on, I at least used some clay and release agent.

[joejo]

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you can see how the trigger guard/ mag well will act as a recoil lug now that its firmly bedded
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[lbaize3]

Wow! That is neat, joejo. Thanks for sharing.

[HATCH]

Probably with AA#1680 (13 grains), AA#9 (10 grains) and H110 (10.3 grains). As soon as I can make the trip to the range I will be posting my results. Look forward to you doing the same.

Hope your feeling better..
did you make it to the range?

[Surculus]

22-TCM case is stronger and should hold up better with hot loads designed for the rifle . Problem is how to mark the Hot loads to avoid being shot in the pistol.

Red Sharpie the cartridge base. You could buy a bottle of Dykem & use that, but I find Sharpie markers to be more convenient [afaict, the "ink" in a Sharpie is the same stuff as Dykem. At least it performs identically in the shop for layout. ;)]

[HATCH]

Mistakes happen. If you want to make hot loads for the rifle then you should consider making the oal long enough that it will not fit in the mag. This basically would mean the rifle would be a single shot.

[lbaize3]

Hatch, I have been having back problems that come with being too old, too fat, and getting tired of enduring the pain. Like most things the pain cycles. Now if I can only get the cycle to arrange a low pain day when the range is not too hot, too cold, or too wet for my target setter (my loving wife).... I'll bet lots of shooters can relate to my terrible tale of woe... In any case I promise to continue my exploration of various loads for the TCM rifle. I realize that most accomplished reloaders can use my data for cast boolits and various j word projectiles.

[HATCH]

I can relate. I am at the orthopedic Dr getting a shot in my shoulders right now

[hornetfan]

Would Joejo or lbaize3 please describe the action? Extractor, safety, etc? Is this a Mauser type action with fully controlled round feed like the CZ 527? Performance seems similar to .22 Hornet or K-Hornet but lower performance than Johnson's .22 wildcat of the .30 Carbine cartirdge. Unfortunately the 5.7 Spitfire never really got much attention. Hopefully with the .22 TCM and FN 5.7 that will change. The TCM has the advantage of being easily reloaded. For those that reload (everyone here I assume :-) you might check out 5.7 Spitfire load data for comparison.

I love that there is a bolt rifle with a decent capacity magazine for this cartridge! (BTW lbaize3, I live in northeast Texas)

[lbaize3]

Glad to have you aboard, hornetfan! The 22 TCM rifle is a basic bolt action, non controlled feed. Safety is a lever on the right side of the action, behind the bolt. Forward to fire and to the rear to make safe. Bolt has a single rear locking lug opposite of the bolt. Somewhat reminds me of the Ruger 22 hornet rifle.

The 22 TCM and the 22 Hornet have about the same capacity I do use the Hornet reloading data to give me starting points for the 22 TCM. The TCM has a very short neck, making most 22 jacketed bullets too long for it. I have been loading a Speer 22 Hornet 40 grain bullet. 13 grains of 1680 seems about right with no pressure signs. 10 grains of AA#9 was too hot using the Armscor 40 grain 22 bullet. I have had better luck with 9 grains of AA#9. I will be clocking these loads and reporting on the accuracy of them and other loads using H110 at a future date. It is entirely too cold and wet for this old man and his loving target setter to go to the range right now. (See above response to Hatch...).

I have no idea of how this responds to the spitfire. I do know that it meets and exceeds the 22 Hornet in some areas and the Hornet out does the 22 TCM in other areas.

Again, welcome aboard!

[joejo]

just to add to what lbaize3 already said, here are some pics for you to contemplate. the gun is kind of a push/control feed in my opinion. I think the round is suppose to enter the bolt face once it clears the mag and the mini extractor is suppose to hold it secure.
the bolt is a weak link imo. the small pin/sear catch is all that keeps a "hard to extract case" from ripping the bolt apart. the trigger has a sear engagement screw that needs to be adjusted with the bolt de-cocked, and the spring is easy enough to get to so you can remove some coils, or swap it out to lighten the trigger pull.

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the bolt handle also is a second locking lug judging by the wear marks on mine.


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disregard the black die I used to clearance the bolt face


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pretty beefy action though


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the ejector

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new mag length reloads using the midway dogtown 34 grn bullets and a 35 grn vmax with the polymer tip removed

[joejo]

my 22tcm is currently under re-construction. I just couldn't get this rifle to shoot consistent so I bore-scoped the rifle more closely after a good scrubbing and found way too many tooling marks and pieces if rifleing missing as well as long gouges in the lands. so it currently has that tomato stake tore off and a factory Remington stainless model seven 22-250 barrel waiting to be chopped off and re-chambered. we will see how it does hopefully this weekend.

[lbaize3]

Keep us posted, joejo. I have used JB bore paste to polish my bore and it looks pretty good from what I see. Probably need a bore scope to check and make sure mine is not messed up like yours. Can you tell how you worked on the bolt face. I am fairly sure I need to do the same thing to mine...

[joejo]

for the bolt face I just removed the extractor and chucked the bolt up and removed about 5-7 thou from the bolt nose recess. that little crown looking section on the bolt head. I basically just opened up that are to keep a fired case from binding up against the edge of this "lip". the case head would fit pretty tight in the bolt face before, now there is some clearance. this wouldn't have to be done if the chamber wasn't so sloppy and out of alignment. once fired brass would stretch nearly 15 thou shoulder to base on the first firing.

[joejo]

I should have the reamer Saturday so the gun will be shooting again sunday. hopefully! I am going to make the chamber match my reloading die as far as shoulder setback so the cases don't stretch so much.

[joejo]

quick quiz. can anyone id the rifle in the background in the pics a few posts back?

[joejo]

here it is with the new barrel.
its definitely a lot lighter now. and shorter.. good truck gun now.
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[lbaize3]

Man! I do like that!

[joejo]

decided I was tired of the "hard to extract" issues with slightly high pressure rounds, factory included, so I modified the bolt and made it a very positive working cam.

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I drilled a .125 hole in the inner bolt body and threaded for m4 x whatever. slotted the outer bolt shroud and installed a hardened grub screw. now the cam on the action actually forces the bolt back rather then compressing the firing pin spring.

[lbaize3]

That sounds too easy. I am going to do it, too! Just need to get off the couch.....

[joejo]

That sounds too easy. I am going to do it, too! Just need to get off the couch.....


I hear you. I am going stir crazy this winter. snow and cold is getting to me. I just keep picking away at gun projects to maintain sanity. its too cold to bother shooting for good groups the shivering throws flyers.

[stykbow]

Hey all! I just bought a 22 TCM rifle, I have owned the pistol for a while and reload for it. I got to shoot the rifle last weekend and it is awesome! good groups overall with factory ammo, there was some hot loads and some soft loads as there ammo isn't very consistent and thats why I started reloading it. I haven't tried My reloads in it yet! didn't have time as I was sighting a few other rifles that I have but I can see great potential with this rifle.

[lbaize3]

Welcome to the fun and games. Stay posted, I intend to give a continuing report on loading adventures to help develop a baseline for other reloaders. Joejo is keeping us up to date on modifications and at some point I expect someone will find a lead boolit that excels in the TCM.

[joejo]

I made some more mods to the frankengun. I filed out about 70 thou from the magazine guide and notched the magazine itself. this now allows me to have a 3 shot gun with coal of 1.4 inches. this doesn't seem that important, but on a case that would only allow 1.3 inches, .100 more is huge. I can actually get the bullets to the lands and on those sleek style .22 bullets they aren't shoved into the case like before.

it still doesn't shoot great though. I have another batch ready to try. I haven't tried any other powders but 296 and lilgun. maybe I need to go another direction.


STYKBOW how did your group with factory ammo and at what range?

[HATCH]

Sending two factory rifles to get cut to 16.25 and threaded 1/2x28

[lbaize3]

Please keep us posted, Hatch. I saw a 22 TCM contender rifle barrel at Ed's Contenders.

3/16/2015 I just ordered the 24 inch 22 TCM contender barrel from Ed Kirpatrick at Ed's Contenders. He is really a joy to talk with. Now maybe I can try some cast boolits in 22 TCM.

[bighoss11]

Hey all, I'm looking for a little insight. My TCM rifle is have random misfires due to light strikes. I sent it back to rock island and supposedly they fixed it. Well I got it back, sighted it in, and had 2 more light strikes in about 20 rounds. Can anyone give me a step by step on how to disassemble the bolt?

[HATCH]

Factory ammo?

[lbaize3]

bighoss11, send joejo a pm on this forum. He is the one to advise you on the light strikes. Also check http://www.22tcm.net/ to see if any one there can help you.

[bighoss11]

Thanks for the info. And yes, factory ammo.

[lbaize3]

bighoss11, I forgot to tell you that my rifle barrel was loose. My gun smith tightened it up and used blue loctite. I hate getting old where I can't remember stuff! Anyway, that could well be the cause of your light strikes.

[joejo]

Well I have got bored with the tcm. I finally got it to shoot around 1 inch at 100 but not the velocity I wanted. The short barrel lost the velocity. It now resides under my truck seat for road critters. I'd say as long as you are under 200 yards you can hurt groundhogs.

[lbaize3]

I can relate to being bored with a firearm, joejo. I plan to keep playing with it to see where it will lead me. Got a new Contender barrel in 22 tcm. Stay tuned, maybe something will stir your interest again.

[joejo]

I guess I just expected too much from it. I thought it wouldn't be a problem getting this little bugger to shoot in the .75-.5 range. no dice . I did shoot a groundhog with it the other day at about 120 yards. nothing impressive but hey, it has one under its belt.

I picked up an old rem788 in 222 I am going to toy with for a while. I heard they were suppose to be quite accurate.

[joejo]

lbaize3 I did check out that link to the tcm forum. it was pretty neat to see guys with such interest in the rifle. I would love to see a target with 5-5 shot groups at 100 yards under an inch.

[HATCH]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/04/9268375582306d3f229518a27d6bf74b.jpg

Factory bullets and cases
H110 powder
Factory stock rifle

[kencha]

Factory stock rifle

Did you get your shortened barrel(s) yet?
I'm very interested to see how much change there is in velocity going from 22" to 16" with H110.

[HATCH]

Going to do that tomorrow morning. Range visit next weekend if the weather is nice

[HATCH]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/02/ca14b5812322dc9e018bf43fcdf5a49c.jpg

[Handloader109]

OK Hatch, what bullet is that?

[richhodg66]

I just finally got to handle one of these a few days ago. Seems awfully large and heavy for what it is. I wonder if they will make a slimmer lighter version of it at some point? For now, gonna stick with my Hornets.