CA 10 day wait ruled UnConstitutional!

[W.R.Buchanan]

Well,,, sanity finally has prevailed here in the Golden State. The 10 Day Waiting Period to receive a gun after you purchase it has been struck down by a District Court Judge.

The ruling states that if you already own guns then you don't have to go thru the wait or the background check, since you have already been deemed fit to own a gun.

If this is your first gun then you still will have to wait 10 days for them to do the background check.

I have bought several guns this year. I had to wait for 10 days to pick everyone of them up, which was pure BS since I am a Law Abiding Citizen and not a Criminal or Gang Member.

The judge stayed the execution of the strike down for 6 months to give the state a chance to fix the law and to comply.

Now all we have to get shot down is the "Handgun Safety List" and the Lead Boolit Ban, neither of which are on very solid ground. The first to go should be the Hand Gun List, since by the end of this year there won't be much of any new guns that are salable here, as they all will have fallen off the list after 5 years.

Outfits like Ruger, S&W, Glock have all agreed not to renew the certifications for their guns to force the state to drop this idiotic regulation. Not a Law but a Regulation.

Pretty soon you can all move back! :veryconfu

Randy

[USAFrox]

Even if you got those things overturned, I still wouldn't want to go live in the land of fruits and nuts. There's a lot more wrong with California than just the gun laws.

[Pablo 5959]

And this I find out after buying a 44. Mag on Friday and am now waiting 10 days to pick it up.
oh well, at least it will be in the safe on New Years.

[380AUTO]

Hopefully they drop the magazine capacity next

[380AUTO]

Hopefully they drop the magazine capacity next

[462]

USAFrox,
No state will ever have laws that please everyone, Texas included, but I won't disparage them, unlike those who do such to California and its residents. Some of us live in states that we'd prefer not to, but life's circumstances times often dictate otherwise. So here I am in California.

Yes, slowly but surely, some of California's anti-gun laws are being ruled un-Constitutional. It took many decades for those laws to be enacted, and it will take time to un-do them. In the mean time, denials for concealed carry permits have been found to be in violation of the Constitution, but the decision is under a seemingly unlawful appeal. In all probability, the ruling will stand. San Francisco's magazine ban is no more. Now, the invalidating of the 10-day waiting period. It's all good news.

And, look what happened in Illinois.

[jmort]

I disagree, california cannot receive enough criticism. This state blows.

[462]

I disagree, california cannot receive enough criticism. This state blows.


Yes, the state blows/sucks and I agree. But criticism from outsiders ain't cool. Because I don't criticize others and their states, I expect the same from them. Perhaps, I expect too much.

Beside, those who live in the other 49 states ought to learn from California. Learn the evils of socialism and how it degrades society. Learn how there isn't any pie in the sky. Learn how looking through rose colored glasses blinds one to reality.

I apologize for the thread drift, but don't like disparagement.

[fatnhappy]

Beside, those who live in the other 49 states ought to learn from California. Learn the evils of socialism and how it degrades society.


USSR, New Jersey, Massachuesetts and New York aren't enough?

[35 shooter]

It's good to see a bit of ground being gained back there. Hope for more to come. These kinds of things are good news to me wherever they happen.
Too bad about the unlawful appeal on the carry issue though.

[Hannibal]

Yes, the state blows/sucks and I agree. But criticism from outsiders ain't cool. Because I don't criticize others and their states, I expect the same from them. Perhaps, I expect too much.

Beside, those who live in the other 49 states ought to learn from California. Learn the evils of socialism and how it degrades society. Learn how there isn't any pie in the sky. Learn how looking through rose colored glasses blinds one to reality.

I apologize for the thread drift, but don't like disparagement.

I used to live there. I had enough. I moved. Am I still ineligible to criticize according to you? Is that a right reserved for foreign interests only? Give it up.

[SciFiJim]

The judge ruled the 10 day waiting period unconstitutional and immediately instituted a 6 month waiting period before it goes into affect. I've lived with the waiting period my whole adult live. Call me a cynic, but I will believe it after it really goes into affect. The libs will find a way around the ruling or just just come up with something different.

[slumlord44]

I live in Illinois and it is worse than California in some ways. Born and raised here. My family and my life is here. Stuck with it. Just keep trying to make it better.

[knifemaker]

Most Californians that feel this state "blows" live in Southern CA. or the S.F. Bay area. They are right as those areas keep electing the idiot liberals as state law makers. Us Northern CA. guys have far more freedom and would love to make N. CA. a separate state. In my county and the surrounding counties all you need for a CCW is to state you want it for "personal protection" and fill out the paper work and complete the test. Pay your fees, that 90% goes to Gov. Brown and be on your way. I even have a 40 yard pistol range at the back of my house. Pays to live in a rural area.

[Gtek]

I would like to Thank the normal, reasonable people there still fighting the fight.

[Cadillo]

Heck, the last time I bought a handgun there, I had to wait fifteen days to receive a handgun and ten days for along gun, and I was a Federal Agent waiting fifteen days for my new duty weapon. When I went to the dealer to do the paper work and pay for the Sig, I was in uniform and carrying a gun. I knew the dealer was going to tell me about the fifteen day wait before I could take possession, and when he did, I looked down at the gun on my hip, then told him that I carried a Class III automatic rifle every day, and said, "How much sense does this make?"

Apologetically he told me that it somehow kept the politicians happy.

It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there again. Ten and a half years was enough.

[TreeKiller]

The judge ruled the 10 day waiting period unconstitutional and immediately instituted a 6 month waiting period before it goes into affect. I've lived with the waiting period my whole adult live. Call me a cynic, but I will believe it after it really goes into affect. The libs will find a way around the ruling or just just come up with something different.

I am with you on this one. Wish you could get a military pistol with a C&R again.

[USAFrox]

USAFrox,
No state will ever have laws that please everyone, Texas included, but I won't disparage them, unlike those who do such to California and its residents. Some of us live in states that we'd prefer not to, but life's circumstances times often dictate otherwise. So here I am in California.

Yes, slowly but surely, some of California's anti-gun laws are being ruled un-Constitutional. It took many decades for those laws to be enacted, and it will take time to un-do them. In the mean time, denials for concealed carry permits have been found to be in violation of the Constitution, but the decision is under a seemingly unlawful appeal. In all probability, the ruling will stand. San Francisco's magazine ban is no more. Now, the invalidating of the 10-day waiting period. It's all good news.

And, look what happened in Illinois.

So, does the fact that I lived there and my second son was born there allow me to criticize California, or is it your policy that no one is ever allowed to criticize your beloved land of fruits and nuts?

[knifemaker]

No we allow Texans to criticize California since we know why Texans wear big belt buckles.

[fatelk]

I recently went through the criticize-your-state thing with a relative. He started going on about how horrible Oregon is and how much he hates it as a state. My response was to ask him to go ahead and criticize the nuts running the state from Salem, the lunatics voting for them in Portland (heck I'll agree with you even), but please lay off the rest of the state some. We have plenty of good folks here (a minority maybe, but still plenty), it's a beautiful place to live, and it's my home. It's frustrating that it's so "blue" and taken over by wackos, but it's still my home.

I get the feeling that that's all some of our Californian friends here are asking for as well; just a little bit of respect for their home. It's not ALL bad there.

[dualsport]

It's like a broken record. My guess is somehow running California down makes some people feel better. Everybody wants to think they're better than someone, human nature I guess. Look around. You've got plenty of fruits and nuts in your hometown. We're winning the fight for our rights. Not bad for a state that's nothing but fruits and nuts. Edited out the mean part-I like Texas and they were gracious people when I was there last!

[knifemaker]

When a bunch of fruit loop liberals in Austin, Texas can arrest their own Governor because he is a conservative, Texas has nothing to brag about or in a position to say other states have only fruits and nuts.

[smokeywolf]

I'm very anxious to get out of Kali. Unfortunately, I still have money sources here that I can't give up. Kinda feel like my ethics are in question. By staying here, I'm giving up my rights for the sake of an income; feel like a bit of a hypocrite.

smokeywolf

[Shiloh]

Even if you got those things overturned, I still wouldn't want to go live in the land of fruits and nuts. There's a lot more wrong with California than just the gun laws.

Kalifornia is a basket case.
It is insanity on display. I feel bad for all the good, rational oflks there who are outvoted.

Shiloh

[mdi]

I escaped CA after living in the Southern part for most of my life. Firearm regulations are just a small part of the problems that plague CA. I worked for the City of LA for 25 years ans saw, first hand, the corruption and anti-American immigration policies (Speaking English was not required for employment with the city!). One part of the CA woes is nearly everything ever placed on a ballot is decided by L.A., San Francisco (Bay Area), Sacramento, and to a lessor degree San Diego. I left CA because of all the "regulations" and taxes, not just the Anti-gun movements...

[OuchHot!]

As has been pointed out, many of us are enslaved by ultra-left wing politics coming out of urban centers. Oregon has its Portland (I think the city moto is 'let's keep Portland strange') and CA has its LA and SF. We need to fight on a national level. I have no problems sending Monica Wehby in Oregon money and contributed money I would rather have spent on guns, to Illinois and other battles. One good long look at Obama and the fact that he actually got re-elected tells me we all have a fight ahead. No use looking down on others just because you don't like their address.,

[W.R.Buchanan]

OK guys this was supposed to be good news.

I get pretty sick of hearing how the most populous state in the union and 8th largest economy in the world is so F^&%$3 up. You actually think your state is that much better. We have problems, but so do you. Hell even Wyoming has problems and they are the most conservative state there is. You might be able to walk around with a gun hanging off your belt, but you have to drink bottled water because the ground water is polluted. That problem wasn't caused by Liberals.

You need to grasp one very important concept..

"What goes on here is the blueprint for what is coming to your state." And sooner than you think.

You can act like we are all a bunch of idiots here but what you really should be doing is helping us elect Republicans.

You do this by urging the Republican National Committee to increase funding to conservative candidates in CA,,, not your State,,,, but My State..

"Battle Ground States" are so inconsequential it is pathetic. Romney concentrated on winning all the little Battle Ground States all of which did not even equal the number of Electoral Votes that He lost by not even campaigning in CA! He even lost nearly all of the Battle Ground States, so how'd that strategy work out?

If you win this state you win the election. Tough Row to Hoe trying to piece together all the votes needed by assembling all the little states. Doesn't usually work out either.

Just remember what happens here is coming to your home sooner than you think. If they can arrest the Texas Governor then what is next.

Insane Liberals are the problem,, not where they come from.

There are some living near you too,,,Keep that in mind before you bash CA.

I can't wait til the shooting starts.

Randy

[762 shooter]

Outstanding! Just goes to show you that there might be a way back to sanity.

Any time, any where, a regulation is abandoned the world becomes a better place.

762

[Bigslug]

Here's my only problem with this. . .

In order for the DOJ to waive the waiting period for you, they have to KNOW you're a gun owner in the first place. Given the choice, I'd rather keep the ten day wait and lose the gun registration.

[gwpercle]

Even if you got those things overturned, I still wouldn't want to go live in the land of fruits and nuts. There's a lot more wrong with California than just the gun laws.
Everything's going to be all right, now that Calif. has outlawed PLASTIC BAGS...yes that will solve everything. Plastic bags???? I don't understand what Zip Locks did to deserve this. I'm glad I don't live there. I don't like moving but that's one screwy place I think I would have to get away from. Lock , stock and barrel .
Gary.

[kopperl]

Having lived in Washington and California I believe the people are mostly good.
I also believe the I5 corridor generates an energy field that destroys good folks brain cells. I also think I baled out too late.

[Cadillo]

Everything's going to be all right, now that Calif. has outlawed PLASTIC BAGS...yes that will solve everything. Plastic bags???? I don't understand what Zip Locks did to deserve this. I'm glad I don't live there. I don't like moving but that's one screwy place I think I would have to get away from. Lock , stock and barrel .
Gary.

Are you sure about that? Zip-Loc Bags? Are you sure?

One of the local cities here in Texas outlawed plastic grocery bags, and I hope and pray that they do it in my town. Every time the wind blows the things get scattered all over and stick in trees so high up that they have to rot away, and as everyone knows plastic degrades very slowly.

Go to any border town in Texas that allows plastic grocery bags, and you will see a mess that is nearly unimaginable.

Are you sure about those Zip-Loc Bags?

[462]

Bigslug,
If a previous gun was processed through a dealer, the state DOJ is already fully aware of it. However, there are some C&R exceptions.

gwpercle,
Statewide, California has not banned plastic shopping bags, just some localities, and it applies only to shopping bags.

[Hannibal]

Are you sure about that? Zip-Loc Bags? Are you sure?

One of the local cities here in Texas outlawed plastic grocery bags, and I hope and pray that they do it in my town. Every time the wind blows the things get scattered all over and stick in trees so high up that they have to rot away, and as everyone knows plastic degrades very slowly.

Go to any border town in Texas that allows plastic grocery bags, and you will see a mess that is nearly unimaginable.

Are you sure about those Zip-Loc Bags?

Ummmm . . . . Pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but the problem is the people who do not control their bags, not the bags themselves. Correct? Perhaps we should get to the heart of the matter and accept a bit of responsibility instead of passing more laws to be broken/ignored/circumvented? Or perhaps we should outlaw people?

Crazy talk? Yeah. It is. Sheesh!

[Bigslug]

Bigslug,
If a previous gun was processed through a dealer, the state DOJ is already fully aware of it.

My point! You found it! YAAAAAY!

California's been doing registration on handguns since, I believe, the 1970's. The background check's been there on long guns for a spell as well, but there's never been a database on make/model/serial numbers for rifles and shotguns until 2014. Those have previously just been a per-purchase background check.

If they're going to call a waiting period a constitutional violation - and uphold it - I can't see registration standing either.

[jonp]

This is good unexpected news. However, when the new $1.00/gal fuel tax is added this fall on top of the highest gas prices in the country, all the illegals Governor Moonbean just invited hit the welfare rolls and the insane property values I'll pass on living there. It's too bad that LA/SF have come close to destroying the state as the northern part is beautiful.

[smokeywolf]

Wish Northern Cal could separate and become its own State. They'd be much better off. Could also possibly elect politicians who might be more interested in representing them rather than a batch of criminal aliens.

[762 shooter]

Bags don't kill people. People kill people. :veryconfu

762

[mdi]

Wish Northern Cal could separate and become its own State. They'd be much better off. Could also possibly elect politicians who might be more interested in representing them rather than a batch of criminal aliens.
There is a movement of a few Northern counties to separate from the central and southern parts of CA. The State of Jefferson movement is beginning to take hold, and I believe some preliminary issues are soon to be on the ballot. If this happens, I may move back to CA, AKA Jefferson...

[TXGunNut]

You need to grasp one very important concept..

"What goes on here is the blueprint for what is coming to your state." And sooner than you think.

-W.R.Buchanan

Exactly! Any victory against a bad gun law anywhere, especially in CA, is good for gun owners in all fifty states. Living in TX I'm very afraid of the libs that are trying to take over the metro areas and pass "common sense legislation" like they have in CA.

[abunaitoo]

I hope this ruling trickles down to us in Hawaii.
Next the 10 round mag stupidity.
CCW would be nice.

[hickfu]

Finally a court with a brain!!! the 10 day waiting period was the biggest PITA! I have purchased both handguns and rifles here in Ca and every time I go back to get another one I have to wait 10 days... makes no sense to me.

I live here in Ojai as well but no matter what law changes they make, Hellifornia will be a thing in my past as of next year :) Im finally going to get out of this state for good!!!

[ShooterAZ]

I'm pleased some progress is being made in Cali. Just make sure to re-elect that sensible judge. Not bashing any other states and their gun laws, but I sure am glad I live in AZ.

[quilbilly]

I grew up in the land of fruits and nuts plus got my first deer on top of the mountains barely 10 miles west of Ojai but move back, never. All in all I agree with Fatelk's words above. Ojai is a neat town.

[mpmarty]

Hopefully the State of Kommifornia will just drop off and sink into the pacific.

[knifemaker]

I find that funny coming from someone in Oregon. You have as many liberal fruits and nuts in Portland, Springfield-Eugene area and your costal area. You have the same problem with those areas controlling your votes as we do and Oregon is getting worse every year. In fact if I ever moved from Northern CA. Oregon would be one of the last states I would move too because of what you have and more to come in the way of liberal lawmakers controlling your state.

[cwheel]

I'm encouraged by this ruling in California, often CA leads the was with these stupid laws, other states see the politicians getting their way passing these laws and getting away with it. Next on this judges list should be the AWB, high cap mags and the approved pistol list. This judge needs reelecting for many decades to come to sort this **** out. California is also the only state I know that requires a Certificate of Eligibility for a C&R FFL. You'd think after the FBI check that the ATF puts you through, you should be eligible, not so in California until the CA DOJ gets their yearly fee. I to am a California refugee moved to Nevada. Sure didn't like the stupid gun laws while living there, but what got me to move was state taxes. A big thank you to this judge, hope New York and Chicago are watching this.
Chris

[doc1876]

What he said! If you wish to bash a state, please select Illinois, we deserve it, but like California we are working on it.


You need to grasp one very important concept..

"What goes on here is the blueprint for what is coming to your state." And sooner than you think.

-W.R.Buchanan

Exactly! Any victory against a bad gun law anywhere, especially in CA, is good for gun owners in all fifty states. Living in TX I'm very afraid of the libs that are trying to take over the metro areas and pass "common sense legislation" like they have in CA.

[smokeywolf]

If you have to live in SoCal, I'd have to think real hard to come up with a place better than Ojai.

smokeywolf

[cainttype]

Complaining about California is like urinating on a house fire. While left-wing retards occupy the Whitehouse, currently control the Senate, and have turned public education into early indoctrination against everything that most here hold dear, we've apparently resorted to blaming entire states while the truely guilty go unnamed?
If you support any democrat, you're part of the problem.
If you belong to AARP, you're part of the problem.
If free TV, like NBC, CBS, or ABC, and the vast majority of statewide public broadcast seem like a good idea...see the above.
If your child uses/used public education, chances are VERY good that they were exposed to things you despised on a daily basis by people you insisted they showed respect too.

I'm sure, with close scrutiny, many of us can honestly declare that this entire country we hold dear has slid into the gutter at a rate our grandparents couldn't have imagined, and many of our parents can't recognize...Maybe the last generation is in denial, since you could argueably claim that the majority of blame could be focused on a time frame they'd have been active in, politically and parentally.
For those that are fighting the fight in California, you should be credited for at least resisting the insanity. Without your objections any good news on the political or pro-firearm front would NEVER stand a chance. Keep fighting, any good news is huge coming from EITHER coast. I know that a lot of New Yorkers would take offense at being grouped into the Hillary camp.

[cbrick]

Pretty soon you can all move back! :veryconfu Randy

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[W.R.Buchanan]

Come on Rick,,, I know you miss me!

Doc Holiday: PM me with your real name as we probably shoot the same things at the club. I promise I won't tell anyone.

Randy

[MtGun44]

Congratulations on moving another step slowing in the right direction, with the leftist
pukes screaming in agony - like the Wicked Witch of the West - "I'm melting!".

I do feel like I can criticize California - since I was born there. Have not lived there in many
decades, visit friends regularly and like parts of it and am always happy to put it behind
me again. Sad to see what a huge concentration of fascist leftists, illegals and homosexuals
have done to what once was a really fine state. The wonderful weather and scenery are
still there (used to live just off of 17 Mile Drive) but the people and politics are just beyond
living with for me.

I do appreciate 462's excellent point about being stuck by "life's circumstances", but I
did turn down a chance to work on some amazingly interesting aerospace stuff many years
ago because I would not give up my guns, place to shoot, affordable airport hangar, affordable
house payment, short commute in moderate traffic and many, many other lifestyle issues
for a wonderful, challenging and rewarding job. . . . . And there are some times when I
think of what fun it would have been to have been part of some of the best known new
aerospace "latest things" - but I know I made the right decision.

Bill

[cbrick]

Bill, you forgot to mention things like repressive taxes, everything you can think of either highly regulated or outlawed and so much more. Gun laws are only one of the things on a very lengthy list as reasons to escape & move back to America.

When I escaped my blood pressure dropped to normal simply driving across the state line.

Rick

[truckboss]

Bash what you want I don't take it personal.I've been alot of places and think Cali is one of the most beautiful.Yes the politics,fags and everything else etc. etc. gets to me but my mom and other family keep me here.I want out of this place so bad but till mom goes I'm here,will someone please rescue me.

[opos]

No we allow Texans to criticize California since we know why Texans wear big belt buckles.

"All hat and no cattle?"...I wouldn't live anywhere else and I can afford to go anywhere I wish...Been to most other states...some ok...some really bizarre...At least the folks that criticize from other places won't be visiting and clogging the freeways...we just got rid of them after Labor Day and now it's back to the locals.

[USAFrox]

Didn't the state of California just release a study where they found that breathing causes cancer and can even lead to infertility and death in laboratory animals? I hear there's now a strict limit on how much breathing each person is allowed to do per day, and if you use up your breaths too early, then you have to hold your breath until the next day to conserve the air for everyone else.

:mrgreen:

[W.R.Buchanan]

Guys: it all comes down to "no place like home." Been here since 1956 not leaving as I haven't seen any place that has everything I have here.

One thing you need to understand is that laws are only a problem if they are enforced. Nobody is enforcing most of the laws out here.

I drive like a maniac, never see a cop on the freeways. I have magazines,,, nobody cares.

They are trying to envoke the Water Nazi method of policing water usage , but
instead of starting at the top they are trying to get your neighbors to rat you out.

This won't fly either.

Anything a liberal comes up with as a solution to a problem isn't going to work and their usual solution is to fine you.

No shortage of idiots here, but I submit that idiots are everywhere.

Randy

[truckboss]

Every time I sit on the toilet and bare down real hard I hear a noise, it says Texassss,Just kidding.Any how will all other states,including texas please start forming rescue parties for us that are not so fortunate.

[Garyshome]

Brown is going to throw that judge under the bus!

[cbrick]

At least the folks that criticize from other places won't be visiting and clogging the freeways...

True enough, there's no more room on the freeways for all the illegals. :mrgreen:

Rick

[opos]

Where else can an old guy like me drive my white 4 door 1986 Buick at 55 mph in the fast lane with my left blinker going...for 10 miles and cause a major sig alert on the freeways....what power.

[Hannibal]

Where else can an old guy like me drive my white 4 door 1986 Buick at 55 mph in the fast lane with my left blinker going...for 10 miles and cause a major sig alert on the freeways....what power.

And having to live around people with the same type of mindset as yours is EXACTLY why I left. And do the rest of us a favor and stay IN that "perfect" state of yours, PLEASE.

[cbrick]

And having to live around people with the same type of mindset as yours is EXACTLY why I left. And do the rest of us a favor and stay IN that "perfect" state of yours, PLEASE.

No sense of humor huh? opos post was in jest of those that do just that, mainly the illegals.

Rick

[TXGunNut]

Didn't the state of California just release a study where they found that breathing causes cancer and can even lead to infertility and death in laboratory animals? I hear there's now a strict limit on how much breathing each person is allowed to do per day, and if you use up your breaths too early, then you have to hold your breath until the next day to conserve the air for everyone else.

:mrgreen:

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.

[TXGunNut]

Where else can an old guy like me drive my white 4 door 1986 Buick at 55 mph in the fast lane with my left blinker going...for 10 miles and cause a major sig alert on the freeways....what power.


I do my best; I tool along at about 5 under the limit in the right lane in a big white Mercury. Turn signals get too loud so I turn them off after awhile. Still back up traffic but I'm in no hurry, nothing to get excited about at home or work so I just kick back and listen to WBAP. ;-)

[Hannibal]

No sense of humor huh? opos post was in jest of those that do just that, mainly the illegals.

Rick

No. I do not think deliberately doing something just to see how much you can irritate someone else is the least bit funny. Nor do I think it's anything to joke about. Apparently, lots of you do, though.

Wow. Just, WOW.

[Love Life]

I heart California.

Freedom is relative and based on perspective. Why, look at all the freedom I have in my current state with it's great gun laws. I can carry everywhere, but public lands are supremely limited so I'm caged into places where I have a king's pass (GORP) to play...

I'd take California over my native Georgia any day of the week. Wide open spaces where man can roam and shoot far, and look for gold, and just dang enjoy himself without being on private property or stuck in the rationed camp grounds...

Oh, and it was easier to buy a handgun in California than it was in North Carolina. True story.

In conclusion: How free are you when you are crowded in by population density and lack of public lands to play on?

[cbrick]

No. I do not think deliberately doing something just to see how much you can irritate someone else is the least bit funny. Nor do I think it's anything to joke about. Apparently, lots of you do, though. Wow. Just, WOW.

Just unbelievable. Do you really think he was saying he does that or maybe, just possibly that he was making light of those that do? I was right, no sense of humor at all.

Rick

[Hannibal]

Just unbelievable. Do you really think he was saying he does that or maybe, just possibly that he was making light of those that do? I was right, no sense of humor at all.

Rick

On the contrary, I've been told i have a wonderful sense of humor.

But you have to say something that's actually funny first.

[fatnhappy]

No. I do not think deliberately doing something just to see how much you can irritate someone else is the least bit funny. Nor do I think it's anything to joke about. Apparently, lots of you do, though.

Wow. Just, WOW.

Didn't you just describe marriage?

Back to the OP: do you have a link back to the court case? I'd like to read the opinion.

[mdi]

No. I do not think deliberately doing something just to see how much you can irritate someone else is the least bit funny. Nor do I think it's anything to joke about. Apparently, lots of you do, though.

Wow. Just, WOW.
Wow, yep, wow. opos' post was an obvious "tongue in cheek" comment. I sincerely doubt opos really did that, he would have gotten shot by now...

[waco]

Even if you got those things overturned, I still wouldn't want to go live in the land of fruits and nuts. There's a lot more wrong with California than just the gun laws.

Preach it brother.

[hickfu]

Im from Maine, My mom brought us out here in 1971 and I have hated it for the last 43 years! Northern Ca may be better because there are actual forests there and its green. I am so sick of brown.... Brown trees, brown grass, brown air.... etc.. I am going up north into Oregon first and then maybe over to Idaho in a couple years. Family up in Oregon is why there first...

I am so sick of the Illegals here... they are the rudest people I have ever met in my entire life! Im sure its their plan to act this way so they can get the white people to move and leave the area to them. I hear them say it all the time!

Well they are getting this white boy to move and never come back! I dont like living in the desert and calling it an oasis when everything here is starving for water.. I say good riddance to this hell hole they call the Gold Coast.

[smokeywolf]

Im from Maine, My mom brought us out here in 1971 and I have hated it for the last 43 years! Northern Ca may be better because there are actual forests there and its green. I am so sick of brown.... Brown trees, brown grass, brown air.... etc.. I am going up north into Oregon first and then maybe over to Idaho in a couple years. Family up in Oregon is why there first...

I am so sick of the Illegals here... they are the rudest people I have ever met in my entire life! Im sure its their plan to act this way so they can get the white people to move and leave the area to them. I hear them say it all the time!

Well they are getting this white boy to move and never come back! I dont like living in the desert and calling it an oasis when everything here is starving for water.. I say good riddance to this hell hole they call the Gold Coast.

Don't forget about the worst brown of all, Governor Brown. Who wants to make California a sanctuary State to criminal aliens. SoCal is already well on its way to being a Mexican annex.

smokeywolf

[Cadillo]

Ummmm . . . . Pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but the problem is the people who do not control their bags, not the bags themselves. Correct? Perhaps we should get to the heart of the matter and accept a bit of responsibility instead of passing more laws to be broken/ignored/circumvented? Or perhaps we should outlaw people?

Crazy talk? Yeah. It is. Sheesh!


OK! You are the guy the country has been waiting for; a new Messiah, who is going to tell us how to control the huge illegal population that Obama has allowed in and allowed to stay, fed with Federal Monies. Congress did outlaw those people, or hadn't you heard?

Just for starters get them to throw their grocery bags in the trash bins. Then get them to dispose of their soiled baby diapers by some means other than tossing them onto the parking lot.

I can't wait for you to get here to the Rio Grande Valley and start fixing things for us. In the meantime, they are coming to neighborhoods all over the country, and will be waiting for you when you get back from Texas.

[Hannibal]

OK! You are the guy the country has been waiting for; a new Messiah, who is going to tell us how to control the huge illegal population that Obama has allowed in and allowed to stay, fed with Federal Monies. Congress did outlaw those people, or hadn't you heard?

Just for starters get them to throw their grocery bags in the trash bins. Then get them to dispose of their soiled baby diapers by some means other than tossing them onto the parking lot.

I can't wait for you to get here to the Rio Grande Valley and start fixing things for us. In the meantime, they are coming to neighborhoods all over the country, and will be waiting for you when you get back from Texas.

Are there not laws against all these things already? Worthless without enforcement. Such is the way of things when only some laws are enforced and others ignored when doing so is "popular". The first thing they are taught is ignore the law and sneak in. Is anybody really surprised that they are ignoring the rest of our laws and disrespecting us and our customs?
And, keep trying to fill that Messiah job. I'm not interested. Sounds like you know what to do. Why don't YOU give it a try?

[W.R.Buchanan]

Guys, guys, guys,,, we are all on the same page here. I started this thread to let everyone know about something that was positive about this state and how it would affect their states in the future.

It has now digressed to a pissing match between people on both sides of the "Do you like CA?" Subject?

CA is the way it is because of voter complacency,,, over the last 40-50 years! Yes it took that long to get to where it is now.

Texas, You are a perfect model to follow CA down this path. You have large quantities of Illegals which are being allowed to stay by the feds. You have one big Liberal stronghold in Austin and other metropolitan districts which are being pushed towards the left,,, Slowly but surely.

All those Mexicans who are coming here now are going to have children who will be citizens as soon as they hit the ground. They will mainly live in the big cities when they grow up and vote for the people who give them the most stuff.

If you shift the demographic in Austin, San Antonio, and DFW to the left,,, you control the state.

How far off is that in your future?

The way to change this is to deny Illegals work and access to public services locally in every Red Corner of the state. If there is no work they can't stay.

If you live in New Braunfels or Seguin your City Counsels pass ordinances and demand you not hand out benefits to Illegals, and you also demand that every farmer in the area not hire them. You don't hire Mexican gardeners unless they are citizens, and the list of doors to close goes on.

No more Joaquin in la Caja. [smilie=w:

State Govt can't really do much about local ordinances, and especially if they are legal and really only enforcing State or Federal laws already on the books. A simple change in the Local Sheriff's enforcement policies can bring about massive change. Local Sheriffs are the grass roots for change of the sort we need nationally.

Also when local law finds illegals they take them to the border and kick them out. No handing them over to the BP or ICE who are not enforcing the laws on the books. You do it yourself.

Also local businesses hiring practices can be controlled locally, and you make fines big enough that the ordinances are obeyed.

Simple as that.

Getting the people to get interested enough to do something like vote is the hard part. Everybody bitches, but our elections are decided by less than 25% of the people who do vote, and I'm not talkin' just CA here,,, This is 25% nation wide!

So the problems with CA are not peculiar to CA, you either got them and choose to ignore them or you will have them soon enough.

Politicians rely on your dis-interest. That's what happened here, and it's what will happen to you soon enough.

Randy

[Cadillo]

W.R.

I guess that you haven't yet heard that Federal Laws trump State Laws. Do a little research on Governor Wallace of Alabama. He learned the hard way.

Were you living in Cali during the Rodney King Riots? To calm the natives after the first trial of the officers resulted in acquittal, the Feds stepped in and tried and convicted them on Federal Civil Rights Charges.

There's no way the Feds would ever allow a state to deport people out of this country. That would quickly lead to charges for violation of their civil rights as defined by Federal Statutes and case law. You are dreaming. When Federal and State Laws come to a crossroads the Federal Government enforces its authority and laws in spite of the State Laws.

And yes, I know that the Kenyan has decided long ago to not enforce our Immigration laws, but I can assure you that the feds will never allow the states to start deporting people.

Maybe you could write and sell a movie script to some Hollywood producer.


Oh the humanity!

[Duckiller]

Does anyone have a citation for the court case supposedly being discussed? Am very curious as to which court and at what level this ruling came from. Remember the Peralta case where all god's chilluns were going to get CCWs? Preliminary ruling Feb 2014, last action May 2014. Slow justice is no justice. Don't hold your breath waiting for your CCW or picking up your gun without a 10 day wait.

[SciFiJim]

Does anyone have a citation for the court case supposedly being discussed? Am very curious as to which court and at what level this ruling came from. Remember the Peralta case where all god's chilluns were going to get CCWs? Preliminary ruling Feb 2014, last action May 2014. Slow justice is no justice. Don't hold your breath waiting for your CCW or picking up your gun without a 10 day wait.


Here is a copy of the opinion.

http://ia700803.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.caed.233362/gov.uscourts.caed.233362.106.0.pdf

[CPL Lou]

I'm just glad to see that even California is being made, slowly but inevitably, to obey the Constitution.

CPL Lou

[Duckiller]

Thank you Jim

[BAGTIC]

Those people are not liberals. They are statists. Jefferson, Franklin. Adams, Washington, Paine, et al were liberals. The word liberal shares the same roots as liberty and liberate. Liberals advocate the liberation of people from the oppression of overzealous government. Statists place the power of the state above the rights of the individual.

[Efin]

Just unbelievable. Do you really think he was saying he does that or maybe, just possibly that he was making light of those that do? I was right, no sense of humor at all.

Rick

By reading his first post he implied he could and possibly does it. And if you've driven on the road with those individuals, it's not a time for a sense of humor. Maybe he was joking, but living in this state with the drivers that do exactly what he posted, and yes most of those drivers are Mexican, and enter the highway and shoot over the the fast lane and drive 55, he should have placed a disclaimer, I'm joking or the like. If I'd have read his post I may have responded in kind, some people like to screw with other people, and unfortunately some folks react improperly, pull a gun and then we have a terrible mess, all because some fool though it would be funny.
Just some insight from another Kalifornia driver just trying to go from A to B without drama.

[cbrick]

Those people are not liberals. They are statists. Jefferson, Franklin. Adams, Washington, Paine, et al were liberals. The word liberal shares the same roots as liberty and liberate. Liberals advocate the liberation of people from the oppression of overzealous government. Statists place the power of the state above the rights of the individual.

Your right but (there's always a "but" isn't there?) the term "liberal" has been hijacked by the left socialists for so long now that the term is very recognizable for exactly what it is. Socialist! Exactly the same with the term "gay". Gay used to mean happy but today it is quite interchangeable with and preferred by homosexuals. Terms meanings do change over time and as an example, right from the time of the Founding there has been conservatives and liberals. Wasn't called conservative and liberal back then, it was Constructionist and Federalist. The Constructionist was 100% behind the Constitution while the Federalist (just as the liberal today) was against the Constitution and in favor of an all powerful central government and not over just individual liberty but also over states rights.

Me? I'm a Constructionist through and through but if you prefer you may use the more modern term and call me a Conservative. :mrgreen:

Rick

[cbrick]

By reading his first post he implied he could and possibly does it. And if you've driven on the road with those individuals, it's not a time for a sense of humor. Maybe he was joking, but living in this state with the drivers that do exactly what he posted, and yes most of those drivers are Mexican, and enter the highway and shoot over the the fast lane and drive 55, he should have placed a disclaimer, I'm joking or the like. If I'd have read his post I may have responded in kind, some people like to screw with other people, and unfortunately some folks react improperly, pull a gun and then we have a terrible mess, all because some fool though it would be funny.
Just some insight from another Kalifornia driver just trying to go from A to B without drama.

Welcome to CastBoolits Efin, :mrgreen:

You of course could be right, he never came back to say one way or the other but I did and still do look at his post as being made in jest.

Rick

[Efin]

Welcome to CastBoolits Efin, :mrgreen:

You of course could be right, he never came back to say one way or the other but I did and still do look at his post as being made in jest.

Rick

Thank you cbrick for the welcome, I've been lurking, reading and learning from this great forum, funny that I post on a non cast related post;)
Living here in SoCal we deal with the mex drivers all the time, whether it's the issue discussed here in this thread, or the garbage pumping from their exhaust, I'm not an enviro by any means, but it's all around us an the Gov't does 0. Now if my diesel truck belches a little black smoke as I drive around these fast lane hogs, I'll get a letter for gross polluter...
Anyway I digress, your post, known now as a joke, is funny because it's so true, not just the mex, lots of gringo AH's guilty as well...

Chris

[cbrick]

Living here in SoCal we deal with the mex drivers all the time, whether it's the issue discussed here in this thread, or the garbage pumping from their exhaust, I'm not an enviro by any means, but it's all around us an the Gov't does 0. Now if my diesel truck belches a little black smoke as I drive around these fast lane hogs, I'll get a letter for gross polluter... Chris

Perfectly logical, they don't have the money to pay a fine . . . You do. So just who is gonna get away scott free and who is gonna get fined?

You didn't really think that issue was about the environment did you? Just as with the seat belt laws, nothing more than one more thing they can write a ticket for and generate revenue.

Rick

[Efin]

Perfectly logical, they don't have the money to pay a fine . . . You do. So just who is gonna get away scott free and who is gonna get fined?

You didn't really think that issue was about the environment did you? Just as with the seat belt laws, nothing more than one more thing they can write a ticket for and generate revenue.

Rick
Fund generator 100%, "if" it were for their "care" or the environment, the autos would be fined etc. There is a 50 mile zone that's not controlled for their emissions, but do you think SoCal gets that excuse when our emission numbers are higher because of Mexican exhaust in TJ blows North? Not a chance, it's those damned diesel trucks... ;)