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"Western Field", p. 513, Vol 5, Jan 1905, 4 Sutter Street, San Francisco, Cal.
NOTE: That darned Lub Monkey screwed up posting this, calling it a 360271. I will beat him until I get tired....
Ideal 1929 Catalog Special List:
114847
114848
The Ideal Manufacturing Company of New Haven, Conn., has just brought out a new bullet for the .38 S. & W. Military and Colts' .38 cal. Officers Model revolvers as per illustration (Fig. 1). In design it is similar to the "British Manstopper," inasmuch as both have a cavity in the front end. The British bullet, however, has a cavity in the base also and depends upon upsetage or enlargement of the bullet by the pressure of the gas at the time of Ignition of the powder. The Ideal bullet has a flat base, and is made sufficiently large in diameter (.360-in.) to insure a perfect gas-tight fit in the barrel without any upsetage. The British bullet, toward the base or the portion that is enclosed within the shell, is all that takes the rifling and that by upsetage, the forward portion that projects beyond the muzzle of the shell, is smaller in diameter and smooth.
114849
The Ideal bullet is grooved the whole length and the base portion that fits in the shell is .360-in. and is seated very snugly in the shell up to the small beveled groove (see Fig. 2) where the shell may be crimped if desired, but no crimp is said to be best. The forward portion that projects beyond the muzzle of the shell is .358 in. in diameter, which is the same size as the smaller portion "a" of the chamber of the cylinder as shown in illustration (Fig. 3).
This illustration shows cylinder with a portion cut away so as to show the inside formation of the chamber in which the loaded cartridge fits. It is claimed that with the bullet fitting snugly in the shell and the shell left straight at the muzzle, not crimped, the bullet will not be mutilated, scraped or deflected by the inturned edge of the shell when passing out. The bullet and shell, then in the best possible condition, are placed in the chamber, the shell fitting in the portion "b" and the forward portion of the bullet (.358 in.) is pressed in the chamber "a", shell and bullet must then certainly be in perfect alignment, which tends to secure accuracy.
This ammunition has been thoroughly tested with machine rest by J. B. Crabtree, secretary of the United States Revolver Association, and we are authorized by him to state that: "This bullet No. 360,270 is capable of making the possible at either 20 or 50 yards." Full length bullet weighs about 133 grains (See Fig. 1); one band and one groove shorter, about 115 grains. Powder charges for the heavier weight, about 4 1/2 grains of L. & R. "Bulls-eye." For the lighter weight, 3 1/2 to 4 grains. Smokeless primers must be used. These bullets cut a clean, full-sized hole in the target, thus obviating disputes in count as to whether the ring on the target is cut or not. It is a very deadly missile, for it also cuts a large hole in an animal and permits a free flow of blood.
Moulds and reloading tools are now ready for the market. For further information, apply to the manufacturers.
NOTE: That darned Lub Monkey screwed up posting this, calling it a 360271. I will beat him until I get tired....
Ideal 1929 Catalog Special List:
114847
114848
The Ideal Manufacturing Company of New Haven, Conn., has just brought out a new bullet for the .38 S. & W. Military and Colts' .38 cal. Officers Model revolvers as per illustration (Fig. 1). In design it is similar to the "British Manstopper," inasmuch as both have a cavity in the front end. The British bullet, however, has a cavity in the base also and depends upon upsetage or enlargement of the bullet by the pressure of the gas at the time of Ignition of the powder. The Ideal bullet has a flat base, and is made sufficiently large in diameter (.360-in.) to insure a perfect gas-tight fit in the barrel without any upsetage. The British bullet, toward the base or the portion that is enclosed within the shell, is all that takes the rifling and that by upsetage, the forward portion that projects beyond the muzzle of the shell, is smaller in diameter and smooth.
114849
The Ideal bullet is grooved the whole length and the base portion that fits in the shell is .360-in. and is seated very snugly in the shell up to the small beveled groove (see Fig. 2) where the shell may be crimped if desired, but no crimp is said to be best. The forward portion that projects beyond the muzzle of the shell is .358 in. in diameter, which is the same size as the smaller portion "a" of the chamber of the cylinder as shown in illustration (Fig. 3).
This illustration shows cylinder with a portion cut away so as to show the inside formation of the chamber in which the loaded cartridge fits. It is claimed that with the bullet fitting snugly in the shell and the shell left straight at the muzzle, not crimped, the bullet will not be mutilated, scraped or deflected by the inturned edge of the shell when passing out. The bullet and shell, then in the best possible condition, are placed in the chamber, the shell fitting in the portion "b" and the forward portion of the bullet (.358 in.) is pressed in the chamber "a", shell and bullet must then certainly be in perfect alignment, which tends to secure accuracy.
This ammunition has been thoroughly tested with machine rest by J. B. Crabtree, secretary of the United States Revolver Association, and we are authorized by him to state that: "This bullet No. 360,270 is capable of making the possible at either 20 or 50 yards." Full length bullet weighs about 133 grains (See Fig. 1); one band and one groove shorter, about 115 grains. Powder charges for the heavier weight, about 4 1/2 grains of L. & R. "Bulls-eye." For the lighter weight, 3 1/2 to 4 grains. Smokeless primers must be used. These bullets cut a clean, full-sized hole in the target, thus obviating disputes in count as to whether the ring on the target is cut or not. It is a very deadly missile, for it also cuts a large hole in an animal and permits a free flow of blood.
Moulds and reloading tools are now ready for the market. For further information, apply to the manufacturers.