My Hot Rod Lyman

[Fly]

Thanks to my friend idahoron, I have a Hot Rod shooter.It is a Lyman GPR with
a new drop in GPH barrel 1-32 twist.Remember this was the FIRST time ever
shooting this new barrel.I used 80 grains of homemade black powder, as Ron
told me to start with.

I used the same .501 S&W bullet mold he told me to get.I made my own
sizing die, .501 & I do have the same lyman peep sight on the back but
still same sock blade sight on front.I do have a globe front sight, but have
not installed it yet.These bullet were not paper patched but lubed with
SPG bullet lube.It was very hot here today so I did not stay long, but
the pic,s got me excited any how.Thanks Ron, for the help.Not threw yet thow.

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Fly:mrgreen:

[johnson1942]

its a barrel of fun, isnt it. you wont be able to leave that gun alone. keep us posted on what your doing.

[bubba.50]

Show-off:mrgreen:.

[Fly]

Charlie I did shoot off the bench, But I tell you what, this gun shoots better than I can.
Get you barrel yet?
Fly

[Aaron871]

Lets see some pics of the rifle.....

[Fly]

Lets see some pics of the rifle.....

Well it is just a Lyman Great plains rifle with a GPH barrel with a Lyman peep sight.
Nothing really different to show, really.
Fly

[rodwha]

Nice!

Is that 2 or 3F powder you used?

Any idea what kind of velocity you're getting?

What's the weight of that .500 S&W bullet?

Are you using felt wads for a bore seal?

[triggerhappy243]

OK... now I am jealous. that thing shoots way better than I can. what tooling are you using to size your bullets?

[Fly]

Nice!

Is that 2 or 3F powder you used?

Any idea what kind of velocity you're getting?

What's the weight of that .500 S&W bullet?

Are you using felt wads for a bore seal?

OK I screen my homemade (corned) powder to 3fffg.Have not check the velocity
on this batch, but my powder has always been as fast or faster than Swiss, (NO LIE).
The bullet weight is 440
& yes felt cut home made wads, with bore butter.

Fly

[Maven]

Impressive results, Fly!

[Fly]

OK... now I am jealous. that thing shoots way better than I can. what tooling are you using to size your bullets?

Well I made my own sizing die, being I,m a retired tool & die maker.But Lee makes the same to size this bullet.

Fly

[triggerhappy243]

I have an RCBS lubesizer... but I do not know if a 50 would fit in that press. it sure would be nice to shoot groups like yours does.

[OverMax]

triggerhappy 243 Get a hold of Buckshot for your Lubesizers need. (great lathe man for your purpose) As far as Fly. He made it to easy looking.~~again!!_ lol

[rlb]

I know what you mean about it being a shooter. This is 100 yds with the same bullet paper patched out of a GPH rifle.114792

[idahoron]

I am so glad that you and Rich have proven that the Lyman 1-32 was the go to gun now that TC has left the building. Fly do yourself a favor and put the globe sight on and get the Lee Shavers BPCR inserts. That gun will become so consistent that you will hand it to friends at 150 and 200 yards and they will hit the target. I have not hunted for deer and elk with a centerfire for years. Great job, but I am surprised that the mould only threw 440 grains. Were you using hard lead? Soft lead bullets should be in the 456 to 560 grain range. Ron

[Fly]

Ron I will install that globe sight up front tomorrow.I also have the Lee Shavers BPCR inserts also.
As far as the bullets I did not weight them.It just what Lee printed on the box.I,m using pure lead
for that,s what I have at hand.

Thank you my Friend for all the help. Fly

[idahoron]

Awesome!

[bedbugbilly]

Very nice! Especially with the home made moonshine your shooting in it! Kind of looks to me like you pretty much have it all figured out! Congrats and have fun!

[Fishman]

I'm thinking that my T/C Thunderhawk has a 1-32" twist and I really want to try this. Any reason why this wouldn't work? What sizer would be appropriate for paper patching?

[idahoron]

The size of the paper patched bullet depends on your rifle. The Knight, Green Mountain barrels, TC white mountain carbine all seem to like that Lee 500 S&W bullet patched with two wraps of #9 onion skin paper dry. Then Sized dry to .501 with the lee .501 sizer die. Those bullets are tight going down. I like to add a bit of chapstick to the paper for lube right as I load them. This bullet paper patched will never come off the powder. And it is super accurate as you can see. Ron

[Fishman]

Thank you for the reply Ron. Do you think there is any value in sizing them down prior to patching? I have seen your results in the past and they are impressive to say the least, but until now I haven't paid close attention to the nitty grittys. I will read the sticky again :)

[idahoron]

In the case of my bullets they come out at .501 so sizing a bullet that is .501 to .501 does not help. The bullet is at .501 the paper will add about .005 taking it to .506 or so. My process was set up for over the counter easy to acquire stuff. If you sized the bullet to .495 to .496 then patched and loaded it would probably be fine. Finding sizers in a .496 is not over the counter type stuff. So if a guy wanted to get set up with the least amount of trouble the thought was for me, Over the counter Lee 500 S&W bullet. over the counter Lee sizer. One thing that I personally like is when I dry size after wrapping it presses the paper and makes it difficult for the paper to just fall off when handling it or loading it. Carrying extra bullets when hunting has never been a problem for me the paper doesn't come off. It does need to come off when shot. Just pressing the paper does not affect how the paper comes off when it leaves the barrel. Ron

[Fly]

Ron I tried paper patching mine, dry & wet but kept tearing the paper.My paper said
#9 but I don,t think it had the #25 % cotton in it.I,m going to Okla city to so for
the O/U game & I,m going to try & find some there & try it again.

Fly

[Fishman]

Ron that makes complete sense. $50 in equipment to try it and if one likes it, then one can experiment.

[bigted]

i bought almost a lifetime supply from Baco {Buffalo Arms} in Idaho. it is the 25 % cotton and works very well for all my patching needs.

[idahoron]

Ron I tried paper patching mine, dry & wet but kept tearing the paper.My paper said
#9 but I don,t think it had the #25 % cotton in it.I,m going to Okla city to so for
the O/U game & I,m going to try & find some there & try it again.

Fly


If the paper is tearing your lead is harder than 7 BHN. If you don't have a hardness tester send me a sample. The one on the left is about 8 to 9 BHN and it was 25% cotton paper. You could size the bullet to .495 wrap and then size to .501 that would do it.

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[Fly]

Ron you may be right, on the hardness, but this onion skin paper is .002 & with two wraps, makes
a .509 bullet.That seems a bit tight, I would think?By using .001 thick paper I would have a
.505 dia bullet before sizing with two wraps.Even paper of .0015 would drop the bullet size to .507
before sizing.Plus this paper has no cotton in it.

Thought I would try that first & get back with you on what I find.
Fly

[Fly]

Do you guys have any problems with nipple blow out, as gibb,s rifles do with the heavy bullet .
For I been using those bronze nipples & they last pretty good in my gibb,s.

Fly

[idahoron]

.509 seem way too big. Mine run .505 to .506 for most of them. Once and a while I will get one that is .508 but seldom. If the lead is soft they will go through a .501 but Like I said if it is harder than 7 bhn itis going to strip.
I change out nipples right before hunting. Yes they blow out kind of fast.

[35 shooter]

Wow, this is all very interesting. It's been a while since i've owned a muzzle loader and was thinking of getting another one. This has me looking at a fast twist rate now.

2 questions...any reason for this not to work in a fast twist flintlock? Also, what do you mean by nipple blow out? Are you talking about them stripping the threads?
LOL this has got me fired up!

[idahoron]

There is a tiny hole in the nipple. After shooting these larger bullets the hole tends to get larger over a shorter period of time than if your shooting a low pressure round ball load. If your threads on the breech plug for the nipple are in good shape you will not blow the nipple literally out of the breech plug and strip threads.
I know someone was working on a Hot Rod flinter but I don't remember who. The vent liner would worry me with that high of a pressure load. I don't shoot flinters so I will not have much to offer there.

[Fly]

Ron I found a paper that seems to work well.Women hair rolling papers.I use them
in making paper cartridge. They mic .001 & seem strong.Two wraps put the bullet
.003 to .004 over now.Now I have not shot them yet but will report back.

Fly

[Fly]

Forget paper patching hair rolling paper.It sized great & all.But my groups went from tack drivers
to basket ball groups.The lube I used was SPG which I knew won many shooting comps.I also know
paper patching is great also.So I must try the paper Ron is using.I hear some shooter say lube bullets
can shoot as well.

But I know Ron has it down & I must try it to see.But paper patch or lube this bullet Ron has & load is a
winner.
Fly

[idahoron]

Are you using a over powder wad? I like .62 to .64 diameter wads with a hint of Bore butter. I like the wad to pucker a bit as it goes in. I think it makes a good seal. For lube on the paper I am using a pinch of chapstick.

[rodwha]

I'm curious why such an oversized wad. I figured slightly (.530 in a .520" grooves for instance) overbore would be plenty.

[idahoron]

I like it to be more than enough. I have tested wads from .50 to .64 and for my loads the best I have found were the big ones. Maybe the smaller ones were turning on the way down? I don't know the reason. I just know what I won't shoot, and that is wads under .62

[Fly]

Ron I tried a .5 x 1/16 wad under the lubed & PP bullet.Now I can & will make a little larger wad as you say.
But it has to be the paper I,m using with the bullets being the same size.I,m checking size with a mic & not calipers
so I know there right on size.

I will get the paper your using & make a little bigger wad & report back.Heck this is what makes this hobby fun.
You have proved you got me on track with my first shots.Now I know what does not work, & that's hair rolling paper.

More to come stay tuned Fly

[idahoron]

Fun Isn't it? Once you get your load dialed in your Hot Rod Lyman will be like a Quigley rifle. Ron