25 acp rifle?

[psweigle]

Has anyone here ever shot or hAd one made? I'm seriously thinking about it simply for the reloadable aspect. Any and all information is greatly appreciated.

[Hamish]

Not sure if it ever got completed, but I believe dk17hmr was putting together a single shot.

[texaswoodworker]

.25 ACP is not the cheapest, or the easiest to load for. Any reason why you want that particular round? Finding a rifle in something like 25-20 or 32-20 might be a easier solution. You may be able to find one in something like 32 S&W Long or 32 H&R Magnum. All are good small game getters if you do your part.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=436319078

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=435938493

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If you want a rifle chambered for 25 ACP, you going to have to have one built/modified.

[dubber123]

There is a thread on here by a member called Crank. He is modifying a .22 cal rifle to feed and function with .25 ACP. It's not as easy as it sounds, but doable.

[bgmkithaca]

I saw one on a browning bl-22 some years back and it was a very nice and reliable conversion but the cost was way beyond worthwhile along with the cost of ammo or the hassle of loading .25 acp for it. Unless you have a LOT OF MONEY to burn just get a .22 or .22mag or one of the other calibers mentioned above, you will be many dollars ahead.

[psweigle]

my reason is simple, I have a bunch of 25 auto cases and a boatload of patience.

[texassako]

I have looked into making one since it is pretty much going to be a one off custom. It just seems easier to use something like the .25-20 or .25 Hornet. Easier to reload, customize, find barrels, or even find one already set up for those. I think the reason they pop up occasionally as repeaters is because they can fit in some .22 rimfire rifles with some work. If you really wanted one, you could start with something like a rolling block. TJ's makes proper .251" liners for the barrel, make or rework the extractor, and cut the chamber. The .251" bore is what stops me. If I don't like it or get tired of it, it cannot be reamed to something bigger like .25-20.

[ohland]

The 25 ACP has such a small case volume that your loads will be truly a work of art.

How much $$$ are you thinking of throwing at defining the outer limits? Myself, a 6.35x25 (25 Tokarev) would be interesting. Use the 65 grain boolits.

After some belated thought, how about a rimmed case (assuming this is a single shot)?

:popcorn:

[Janoosh]

Is it possible to spin/ elongate the 25 acp case.? Kinda thinking about a 25acp long. I don't know the correct term but pressure is applied to the case while it is on a mandrel, that is spinning in a lathe.

[GUSTAVOAR]

There is a usefull and long thread about this: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?229052-25-ACP-rifle-what-powder

[1Shirt]

I loaded 25ACP once! Never again! Buy a 22 LR!
1Shirt!

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

my reason is simple, I have a bunch of 25 auto cases and a boatload of patience.

It had better be a BIG boat.

There used to be some .22 centerfire rounds in straight case configuration. They are tough to get brass for.

My suggestion? Scrap the .25 ACP brass and go for .25-20.

[Surculus]

There used to be some .22 centerfire rounds in straight case configuration. They are tough to get brass for.


22 Velo-Dog. Last time I saw some, it was import Fiocchi [the round was never popular here in the U.S.; it was a Yurpeen thang...] and was about $30 for a box of 20? [That's right, a pistol round sold in rifle-sized boxes. Evil deception...]

[Clark]

I got 1,000 .251" FMJ RN 50 gr bullets for $10 a few years back.
The only long .251" groove barrels I have seen were the Redman liners.
I have done various overload experiments on the 25acp.
It can make painful recoil.

[Coffeecup]

If ya gotta have one, maybe do an insert barrel on a break-open .410 shotgun, using the liner for the insert barrel.

[texaswoodworker]

I got 1,000 .251" FMJ RN 50 gr bullets for $10 a few years back.
The only long .251" groove barrels I have seen were the Redman liners.
I have done various overload experiments on the 25acp.
It can make painful recoil.

Painful recoil, from a 25 acp? What the heck were you loading them with?

[Janoosh]

You beat me to it.! 25 acp and painful recoil from a rifle just doesn't add up.
May be better off with insert for shotgun to get best use of caliber. For example. .6", 10" insert in 410 or 20ga.
You could use a H+R slugger with rifle sights.

[Petrol & Powder]

I'm pretty sure I don't want to go down the path of reloading 25ACP. It would take more than one boatload of patience for me.

[psweigle]

Coffeecup,
i have thought about that route, it may be a cheap way out. Thanks for the reply.

[psweigle]

Janoosh,
I saw some of those somewhere, i guess if you epoxied the thing in it would work. i may go that route. Thank you.

[psweigle]

Clark,
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Simply put, "YOU SCARE ME'!
ha ha.
I would LOVE to hear this!

[Janoosh]

Company out of Alaska...Ace something or another..

[colt1960]

From what I've read the 25 acp doesnt have the case capacity to work well in a rifle barrel. An easier way for me was to load 22hornet to 22lr speeds with a 45gr bullet.

[cheggie]

Second that - cheap break open shotgun plus an epoxied in liner, modify/build up the extractor. Easiest way to go I think!

Edit - not much umph there, wouldn't make it longer than 16.25"!

[Crank]

psweigle,
I am the daffy SOB that built it. I am happy with the limited progress I have made with it, however, costs can be an issue. The problem centers on the fact that you are using a .251 groove depth barrel. All other .25's use .257 groove depth. The only source for a barrel is Lothar Walther (YIKES!!!), but you can get a liner in the correct size from Buffalo arms at a reduced cost. Otherwise, the only other difficulty is that nobody has a reamer for rent and purchase is the only option. I am letting that thread I started die, since it has strayed horribly. If you want to know more PM me and I can give you my contact info.

Mark

[John Boy]

my reason is simple, I have a bunch of 25 auto cases and a boatload of patience
Now, that response beats them all! Somewhere in the area of wishing it's a cheap and easy conversion but don't have a clue what all is involved!

[rking22]

Not so crazy, I once built a TCR83 barrel in "30 Special" cause I was looking at 2 cat litter buckets of 38 special brass and I had a Seaco 30 cal mold I liked :) Kinda useless but fun and educational.

[kopperl]

Yup! the Hornet at 1200 fps is my goto turtle round. Stops the charge every time.

[psweigle]

looks like it is going to be a shotgun lined to 25 acp with a 16.25 inch barrel. I am going to use a rifled 12 inch insert epoxied in place and a modified extractor. When this is done, I will post all of the headaches and heartbreaks I went through. Thanks to all for the posts. Crank, when I get this done, I would very much like to get together with you to compare projects.

[Crank]

psweigle,
No problem, maybe I will have found time to get back out with my little creation for more intelligence gathering. I need to load up some more ammo for another outing. If you need any suggestions or guidance shoot me a PM. Life has kept me a bit distracted from my guns, so I haven't worked on any of my projects recently, but I will always find time if you need any help.

Mark

[ThaDave]

instead of reworking an extractor I'd just cut a small notch just big enough to get a finger nail under to extract the case. I've thought about doing this with an old single shot 20 guage while it will still fire a round the pressure and recoil is enough to open the action and often throws the shot very low. I'm not sure I'd do it in .25ACP personally but in something like .22 or .32 I think would make a great trainer for teaching a small statured shooter how to handle a full size weapon without ecessive weight, noise, recoil, or real expense. If you were to Epoxy the chamber insert into the acton it would make that part very think and easy to drill and tap for any type of site set up either irons or even a cheap RedDot.

all just ideas ATM

looking forward to seeing how your build turns out.

[auto5man]

Maybe a little off topic, but has the .25ACP ever been necked down to .22 cal? If it were practical you have a nice supply of brass to experiment with.

[psweigle]

auto5man, thats a thought. I may check on that a little later down the road

[HeavyMetal]

Didn't Charter Arms offer that funky AR 7 in 25 ACP?

[I'll Make Mine]

Maybe a little off topic, but has the .25ACP ever been necked down to .22 cal? If it were practical you have a nice supply of brass to experiment with.

Seems to me there was a wildcat back around 1980 called .22 Flea; it might have been legitimized in the NAA cartridge series (similar to .32 NAA, necked down from .380, I seem to recall a .25 NAA necked down from .32 ACP as well).

Woops, just looked it up, the .22 Flea was a .32 ACP necked to .22 -- you might be able to claim this one (good luck with dies, maybe shorten a .22 Hornet sizer?).

[Garyshome]

Why bother? Just get a 9mm carbine.

[psweigle]

redman and track of the wolf have barrel liners. a single shot 410 bored out and an 11 inch liner installed should be perfect. and yes, it is legal, as long as the shotgun barrel is no shorter than 16 inches. i will be having it cut to 16.5 just to be safe. according to ballistics by the inch, that barrel length seems to be optimal for my needs.

[psweigle]

Why bother? Just get a 9mm carbine.
because i want one, and no one has one for sale.

[psweigle]

Seems to me there was a wildcat back around 1980 called .22 Flea; it might have been legitimized in the NAA cartridge series (similar to .32 NAA, necked down from .380, I seem to recall a .25 NAA necked down from .32 ACP as well).

Woops, just looked it up, the .22 Flea was a .32 ACP necked to .22 -- you might be able to claim this one (good luck with dies, maybe shorten a .22 Hornet sizer?).
not the route i'm wanting to go. i already have 25 acp dies and all the stuff a guy could ever need to make bullets. i am however looking for more molds.[smilie=w:

[Pakprotector]

I do understand the 'want one'...lol The TJ liners are .250 bore and .243 land...available up to at least .500, and since he can hammer .257's to .560 I bed he can do 25 auto to that OD as well...and maybe he has some tubing that will allow bigger.

LBT has a high-BC, rebated boat tail in .25 that would do well in the 14" twist TJ barrel( it was made to deliver 1.5 SF at up to near Mach ). Just because it was designed for the Air Rifles does not mean it won't do well in the weaker powder burning set up...LOL Ask Veral for the 25 Bob's Boat Tail.
cheers,
Douglas

[nanuk]

a 25ACP would make a handi light easy carrying Legal Elk Rifle up here!

you'd have to shoot 'em in the eye!

[psweigle]

I do understand the 'want one'...lol The TJ liners are .250 bore and .243 land...available up to at least .500, and since he can hammer .257's to .560 I bed he can do 25 auto to that OD as well...and maybe he has some tubing that will allow bigger.

LBT has a high-BC, rebated boat tail in .25 that would do well in the 14" twist TJ barrel( it was made to deliver 1.5 SF at up to near Mach ). Just because it was designed for the Air Rifles does not mean it won't do well in the weaker powder burning set up...LOL Ask Veral for the 25 Bob's Boat Tail.
cheers,
Douglas
Sounds like someone else has thought about this. I'm interested in those bullets you are talking about. Any chance this is first hand knowledge?

[Geezer in NH]

I remember advertising in the Boy Scout handbook and monthly publication in the mid 60's showing their handgun in 22 and 25 that fit into their rifle conversion.

Living in MA it was not possible, when I was that age even though My father and I had our Firearms Identification Cards "good for life" so called.

I had the calling of the gun culture he did not have and never found one. It would have been cool

[leveraction 45 colt]

well I see someone else had the same idea I had for years I wanted a singleshot 25acp rifle for squirrel and rabbit hunting! well I hope to see how this goes for you guys? like to see some pics of this cool gun?? :mrgreen:

[3leggedturtle]

a 25ACP would make a handi light easy carrying Legal Elk Rifle up here!

you'd have to shoot 'em in the eye!

A 25 auto and 50 rounds of ammo weighs about a 1lb or so. That way you would be able to carry more food and beverages so you can hike further into the boonies and shoot elk; that dont know that they are sposed to need a magnum to be killed with.:kidding: Sorry for the friday sarcasm and sidetracking.

[Vagabond55]

Up here in the Great White North, we had a company called Cooey. Made a lot of inexpensive rimfire rifles, one was a single shot in 25 rimfire. Over the years saw a number converted to 25ACP when 25rf was no longer available. If I remember correctly the conversion wasn't much more than converting to centerfire.

[aussiebo]

Cool,I am interested in this conversion as well.I have an old .410 2inch single shot that needs converting!Please keep the updates coming!

[Chev. William]

IF, and I do mean IF, I can get some 'Discretionary Spending Money' again (I have had 1/2 day of work so far this year); I have Marlin model 56 "Levermatic" in .22LR along with some parts (CF Bolt assembly, Barrel blank, etc.) to convert it to a .25ACP Rifle. It would have my Lothar Walther 23.4" long barrel blank fitted and I hope near to 22-23" finished barrel length. You might keep an eye out on Gun broker or other Gun Seller's sites for one to convert.

Both the Models 56 and 62 were detachable magazine fed while the 57 and 57M were Tube magazine fed; and the model 62 have been available in 30 Carbine and 256 Winchester Calibers.

I have some surplus Phoenix ten round magazines and some Barreta 8 round ones that I intend to convert to .25ACP properly so they will hold and feed all ten or 8 cartridges (the Phoenix magazines look like they tried to use a .32ACP mag to hold the .25ACP round and it seems to jam at around 5 to 7 cartridges in the Mag).

My intended conversion is to add "pads" on the interior sides of the Phoenix magazine to hold the .25ACP closely in a vertical stack while leaving rim clearance at the rear and at the top round to allow proper feed. The Barreta ones need a outside mounted padding and length extension to match up to the Marlin .22 Magazine sizes. Also I will add a 'welded' lump on the magazine rear face to engage the Marlin magazine catch and remove the Phoenix installed plastic nose filler and follower to allow for a home made metal follower.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

[Chev. William]

Getting Closer to assembling the Marlin Levermantic conversion to .25ACP as I got my Tax Refund (I filed Oct. 14th with a filing extension) and ordered a New "Lothar Walther" (LW) ".25ACP/6.35 Browning" Barrel Blank of 26mm by 605mm overall dimensions, which should allow up to 23.8" finished length if carefully done. And I am hoping that the "Match Grade .25ACP Finish Chamber Reamer I ordered from "Pacific Tool and Gauge" (PTG) arrives soon after the barrel. LW told me my payment made it in time for my ordered Barrel blank to be included in the next Bulk shippment from Europe, and PTG is quoting 6 weeks for the Reamer, so they will be 'neck and neck' in getting to me. I intend to have this barrel fitted by my gunsmith and the stock relieved to 'free float' the new barrel. Marlin used a 'cross pin' to retain the barrel in the receiver so the new one will be machined to fit the existing mounting so I will have the option to return it to 22LR at a later date if I am not satisfied with its performance.

Now I must be patient and wait for things to arrive in 'due time'. Anticipation is 'exciting' isn't it.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

Added 2014NOV21: My New Lothar Walther .25ACP/6.35 Browning , 26mm x 605mm C-M Steel barrel Blank arrived. Sadly PTG says may Reamer is still in the Manufacturing stage and wll be another few weeks until completed. Also I received the T.O.T.W. .25ACP 25" long Barrel Liner arrived, it was slightly more expensive than the L.W. Barrel Blank when shipping and such are included. Now I need to wait until next month to do any more purchases. Chev. William

[Bill*B]

That's what I love about this board - were else on the planet would you find a discussion about creating a .25 ACP rifle, with a guy who's already done it and another who is about to?

[NoZombies]

redman and track of the wolf have barrel liners. a single shot 410 bored out and an 11 inch liner installed should be perfect. and yes, it is legal, as long as the shotgun barrel is no shorter than 16 inches. i will be having it cut to 16.5 just to be safe. according to ballistics by the inch, that barrel length seems to be optimal for my needs.

Actually, since the gun started as a shotgun, the shotgun barrel must be at least 18" to be legal.

It's a weird legal abnormality, but true. Because it's a 'firearm made from a shotgun' it must comply with shotgun rules, rather than rifle rules, even though it's becoming a rifle. The liner can be any length you want.

[Chev. William]

A 25 auto and 50 rounds of ammo weighs about a 1lb or so. That way you would be able to carry more food and beverages so you can hike further into the boonies and shoot elk; that dont know that they are sposed to need a magnum to be killed with.:kidding: Sorry for the friday sarcasm and sidetracking.

Anyone know how many Elk have been killed by 'Native Americans" with Basic Bow and Arrow?
I would guess the arrow shafts would be around 1/4" inch diameter although the head might have been larger in one dimension but smaller in the Cross dimension to allow 'seizing' to the shaft.
I also expect they were not shot at long distance as the hunters of the time would have had Outstanding Skills at sneaking up close to the Game, after all it was survival hunting.
Best Regards,
Chev. William

[35remington]

Arrow also tend to have sharp pointy ends on them, making a comparison to a small handgun round very problematic.

[BAGTIC]

Me too but I ran out of patience before I wore out the cases.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

There was indeed a .25 necked to .22, the logic being that it would function better with cast bullets in a pocket pistol than the .25.

There was at least one long thread about a .25 rifle on www.shootersforum.com/ (http://www.shootersforum.com/) by someone who was obviously very knowledgeable on some aspects of the problem. "Why" was his weak spot. I think you could find lots of more useful things that nobody is doing. The .25 pistol is far from the mouse gun some say, as long as a malefactor is wary getting his DNA on your carpet or doing some fast talking to get medical attention. But the rifle might be considered so.

You would probably want different bullets, and to load with other powders than those which work in the pistol. You might have to segregate your two kinds of ammunition. For a chambering reamer, if you have a lathe, you might do by turning or inserting a pilot on a 7mm. engineering reamer, and lapping out the last two or three thousandths. There is also an erratic supply of 7.2mm reamers on eBay. In most rifles you would have to do quite a bit of work to make a workable extractor, and I wouldn't count on it staying workable. "It'll be cheap because I have the brass" has never worked for me.

If you want a very practical small-game rifle, how about the .270 REN, which is what you get by making the Hornet case dead straight? It should work far better than a .22 with cast bullets.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

Ah, I didn't notice the very person I mentioned in my last post. I still think the "why" is the tricky bit.

A point to watch out for is whether a liner much shorter than a larger caliber shotgun barrel might be classed as an illicit sound suppressor. In the UK any sort of silencer is uncontrolled as long as it is built in but non-removable. But I don't know the position in the US, and a decision in your favour might still cause you a lot of stress. For policemen the world over, a "crime" that can only be detected once you have a perpetrator is statistical nirvana.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

Cooey made my first rifle, in 1968. It was about as accurate as any sporting .22, but had the unusual feature of being a bolt action with a sliding tube magazine. It could never be cycled quietly, and eventually the spot welds on the magazine support broke.

[waksupi]

Ah, I didn't notice the very person I mentioned in my last post. I still think the "why" is the tricky bit.

A point to watch out for is whether a liner much shorter than a larger caliber shotgun barrel might be classed as an illicit sound suppressor. In the UK any sort of silencer is uncontrolled as long as it is built in but non-removable. But I don't know the position in the US, and a decision in your favour might still cause you a lot of stress. For policemen the world over, a "crime" that can only be detected once you have a perpetrator is statistical nirvana.


Great to see you back on the forum!

[Chev. William]

Arrow also tend to have sharp pointy ends on them, making a comparison to a small handgun round very problematic.

But aren't they around 1/4" Shaft diameter? Yes a "Hunting Broad head has sharp 'wings' that act like an Expanded bullet to increase the 'Wound Channel' damage in the Target game. But there are 'sharp pointy heads' that are only shaft diameter also.

Re: the long ago post query about lengthening the .25ACP by spinning; that would possibly be feasible but would work harden the brass so it would need annealing often in the process and the wall thickness might get too thin to handle reloading forces. A better way to get longer cases is to shove either a .22 Hornet or a 5.7x28mm case into a .25ACP sizing die all the way to the rim top surface, then chuck it in a lathe and trim the rim diameter, cut the extractor groove (it is .250" diameter), and then trim to a suitable length. I have some experiments in progress using such home made cases of .750", .960, 1.055", 1.125", 1.250", and 1.350" nominal lengths. These all are .276" body diameter and have rim diameters of .303"-.308" measured. The Rim thicknesses are between .047" and .053" measured. I did find I best used a RCBS Pocket Swage Punch with their Stripper cup and a 3/16" Id Fender Washer as the pusher to size the case and then run a decapping punch or 5/64" Drill bit through them to bring the flash hole back out to nominal diameter. Squeezing the Head from .300" down to .276" means the metal has to go somewhere.

0.750" is similar to the case length of a .22 LR cartridge.
0.960" is similar to the case length of a .22WRF cartridge.
1.055" is similar to the case length of a .22 WMR Cartridge.
1.125" is similar to the case length of a .25 Stevens Cartridge.
The other two lengths are "Wildcats" custom lengths.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

PS: Also, this last week I received back from my Gunsmith a 1915 'modified' Favorite rifle with a '.25 Stevens' Barrel currently fitted with a .25ACP extractor so I now know these longer cases CAN be used in that chamber. The 'little' problem left is that this action has a RF positioned Firing pin tip that hits on the .25ACP case rim just outside the primer so I cannot presently test it firing a CF cartridge.
Chev. William

[psweigle]

I am soooooo excited to see that rifle when you get the firing pin figured out! Please please please send me lots of pics.

[Chev. William]

I am soooooo excited to see that rifle when you get the firing pin figured out! Please please please send me lots of pics.

Which rifle?
If you are referring to the Marlin Levermatic conversion, it is already done by Marlin (for a Model 62) in CF caliber (I bought a 'surplus' Model 62 .256 Win. Mag. Bolt assembly from Numerich Arms and my gunsmith welded and machined the Bolt Face to fit a .25ACP rim). The Extractors (left and Right) are coil spring loaded 'levers' so they easily closed to pick up the new rim size.

If you mean the "modified' Stevens 1915 Favorite Action/Rifle; I bought spare reproduction Extractors Blanks (similar to a 1894 Favorite center line type) of constant width, then had my gunsmith machine the tips to fit each of four different Cartridges: .22LR, .25ACP, .25 Stevens, and .32 Long/.32 Long Colt. I now have them stamped as to cartridge the fit and have stamped them with the Action Serial number as the Pivots in this 'Modified' Action are larger than normal. The Breech Block is still set up for ".22RF" Firing Pin tip position so the other sizes will need to be adapter cases using .22RF blanks centered in the adapter for Ignition.

Perhaps later I will have the Breech Block and Firing Pin modified to allow change over between RF and CF tip positions.

I found on "Ebay" some 1915 Reproduction ".22LR" breech blocks CNC machined from 4140 Alloy Steel for a good ($28.00) price so I bought two and had my gunsmith convert them to CF and weld two "pads on the Rear edges so they could be 'dressed off' to tightly fit against the rear side 'shoulders' of the 1915 Stevens Favorite Action.

Due to other commitments, I did not get to the Range this Thursday to test fire the Favorite, so I changed out the .25ACP Extractor for the .25 Stevens Extractor, temporarily mounted an old Lyman Tang rear sight on it, and cleaned and oiled the bore again. This Stevens ".25 Stevens" barrel is somewhat pitted on the inside but has good visible remaining Rifling from end to end and has had the Crown 'touched up' to be a 'Recessed Target' type to reduce the chance fo future Crown damage in handling.

This barrel and Action is mostly 'in the White' at the moment with the signs of past handling dings still visible on the barrel especially.
The Front sight currently on the barrel is a 'German Silver Reproduction 'Western' style Blade that tapers from low front to high rear over about a 3/4 inch length.

The Rear, Tang, Sight has two sizes of Peep holes built in , with the small hole able to be 'flipped' out of the way of the larger one. It may be too tall for close work as at it's lowest height the sight line is well above that of the old single range notch sight most of my old Stevens Barrels had on them, even with the unmodified Front sight blade.

Other 'putter projects' this week: Get three Micrometers 'unstuck' and working again, including a 0-1" range .0001" measuring "blade" type for measuring narrow groove diameters, I was successful and they are now working for me.
One of the other two, also a .0001" reading 0-1" range is missing the fixed anvil so I will need to see about getting it professionally repaired.
The third one one is also a .0001" reading 0-1" range standard Brown & Sharp model 13 that is now usable but still has some corrosion 'pitting' on the "C".

This has been a productive week for my projects and I have improved my accurate measurement capabilities quite a bit. Before I was limited to a 'Dial Caliper' that has some 'sticking' problems that I have not yet been able to straighten out.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

[35remington]

No broadhead or stone arrowhead I've ever seen was "shaft diameter." They are always....always larger. Look at a Clovis point. Shaft diameter points were not used for larger game.

The point about trying to compare a 25 ACP round to an arrowhead is not relevant for that reason. The arrowhead always opens a larger wound channel. No comparison will make a 25 ACP anything but a very, very slow killer of deer sized game with anything but a behind the ear shot, or a much chancier spinal shot, which shouldn't be attempted anyway. If a round won't kill quickly with a higher percentage chest cavity shot, which is a much larger target to hit that moves less than a head, it shouldn't be used for game hunting.

[Chev. William]

From what I have read the Japanese did use some metal 'shaft diameter or smaller' points to 'hunt' bipeds in Armor coats Very Effectively.

Now perhaps the 100-180 lb bipeds are not considered 'Game' in modern Societies, but then again the 'Geneva Conventions' weren't developed until well after the bow and Arrow had been generally replaced with longer range lethal weapons and Plate Armor for personal protection was considered obsolete.

Tung in cheek,
Best Regards,
Chev. William

[35remington]

Great.....but was has that to do with deer or other big game hunting? Anyway, I've made my point. Har!

[badgeredd]

I tried and idea of converting 25 ACP to a reloadable 22 round. My thinking was flawed but I believe a guy could do it if he really wanted to. I've also thought on the 25 ACP rifle idea a bit. IMHO, one could likely make a sleeved or inserted barrel work with a litle thinking. Assuming one would be doing the work himself, it should be relative inexpensive. If I had a large amount of brass, I'd probably look harder into converting a H&R barrel or perhaps a Rossi 410 into a rifle just because. Such a rifle would easily fill the 22LR niche at a reasonable price for ammo.

Another comment for you guys that like to pee in a guy's Wheaties...if you don't like the idea, why don't you just ignore it and move on? The OP asked a question about what HE wanted to do, not about your agreement with HIS idea or your alternate ideas. Show a little respect for anothers thoughts for a change! Rant off...

Edd

[NoAngel]

Exactly Edd. Some folks feel the need to criticize anything that doesn't meet their criteria for being worthy.

[Multigunner]

I have a .25-20, so if I had a .25 ACP pistol I'd consider making a chamber adapter for using the .25 ACP for smaller game and pests.
I suspect Marble may have made one for this purpose.
.25-20 ammo was scarce and expensive when I got this rifle, one day I may not be able to find it at all, so an alternative round would be nice.

[roadie]

I tried and idea of converting 25 ACP to a reloadable 22 round. My thinking was flawed but I believe a guy could do it if he really wanted to. I've also thought on the 25 ACP rifle idea a bit. IMHO, one could likely make a sleeved or inserted barrel work with a litle thinking. Assuming one would be doing the work himself, it should be relative inexpensive. If I had a large amount of brass, I'd probably look harder into converting a H&R barrel or perhaps a Rossi 410 into a rifle just because. Such a rifle would easily fill the 22LR niche at a reasonable price for ammo.

Another comment for you guys that like to pee in a guy's Wheaties...if you don't like the idea, why don't you just ignore it and move on? The OP asked a question about what HE wanted to do, not about your agreement with HIS idea or your alternate ideas. Show a little respect for anothers thoughts for a change! Rant off...

Edd

With more barrel choices available now, I think a .25 ACP rifle would be great. It wouldn't be a lot of work to convert a .410 shotgun to accept a liner, extraction would be the main thing.

I had always wanted a replacement for the .22LR and thought about using the .25 ACP but at the time, around 1995-96, getting a barrel was the problem. I ended up with a shortened Hornet, basically a .22 Squirrel, and it worked out well till I moved on to other things.

I completely agree on the peeing in someone's Wheaties....most of shooting is about having fun....not conforming to someone else's idea of fun. Build whatever you want.

[Jungle867]

There are a few high end .25cal air rifles around, have you thought about a conversion for one? I am sure the action would take some work but your barrel would be set.

[Chev. William]

I would agree that converting an "air rifle" action to a "Center fire" action would take "Some Work" in the same line of reasoning that a Doctor may Tell a patient that a proposed procedure may result in "Some discomfort", when he is really thinking this is probably going to "Hurt Like Hell".

Converting a Rim fire action to Center Fire is a lot easier by comparison.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

[Chev. William]

With more barrel choices available now, I think a .25 ACP rifle would be great. It wouldn't be a lot of work to convert a .410 shotgun to accept a liner, extraction would be the main thing.

Roadie,
I believe your idea of an 'insert' in a .410 Shot gun has been done.

Another way to add an 'insert' would be to machine a "liner" so the Chamber End exterior fits the .410 Chamber and the 'barrel' portion of the liner is a 'clearance fit' in the .410's Bore, then Thread the 'muzzle end of the liner to take a pair of nuts so it can be tensioned for the installation, thereby 'locking the inserted liner in position. Then the extractor clearance may be cut in the liner Breech end and an extractor fabricated to replace the .410 one, which can be set aside to reinstall if you ever needed to return the Gun to Shotgun use. The Shotgun Barrel must NOT be reduced in length, for Legal reasons. So the .25ACP chambered Liner would end up slightly longer than the original Shotgun Barrel length. Perhaps TJ's would make a 9/16" OD liner in .25ACP for this application as their normal offering is a 7/16" OD liner in .25ACP and that is the same for Track of the Wolfe. The Lothar Walther .25ACP barrel blank is large enough OD and at 23.4" or longer might work in a short .410 Shotgun barrel.

Just my thoughts on your Idea.
Best Regards,
Chev. William

[Ballistics in Scotland]

I have a .25-20, so if I had a .25 ACP pistol I'd consider making a chamber adapter for using the .25 ACP for smaller game and pests.
I suspect Marble may have made one for this purpose.
.25-20 ammo was scarce and expensive when I got this rifle, one day I may not be able to find it at all, so an alternative round would be nice.

Some pistol caliber adapters for 12ga shotguns, cartridge length or with a short extension into the bore, have worked well. They are also very quiet. They might also be legal in jurisdictions where silencers are difficult. You can't expect minute of angle accuracy, for if it is that close a fit in the chamber, it is going to be no fit at all when it is hot. A commercially produced one would surely give fairly poor accuracy, since chambers do vary quite a bit, and a one-size-fits-all adapter would be a loose fit in some. An annular ring (or rings) for rubber O-rings might help, but I haven't heard of them being used.

.25 in a .410 should work well, but I doubt if .25ACP would in a .25-20. The trouble is, you would be using a .251 bullet, possibly spun by rifling in the adapter, and then sending it down a bore of .25 land and .257 groove diameters, with gas escape through the grooves all the way. I can imagine numerous things going wrong even if the rifling had the same twist and number of grooves, and you got the adapter in line every time. But probably you couldn't, and the list lengthens. I think your best bet if you try would be an adapter with a short smoothbore lead, used with a cast or very thinly-jacketed bullet which would upset under initial pressure. I don't know if making that lead .251 or .257 would be best.

I once made a rimfire adapter for a .222 Remington, which gave modest but far from useless accuracy. After one firing you could see the beginnings of a crack in the adapter neck, not open but fibrously linked all the way along. It never got any worse, and doesn't seem to have done any harm. I think you would want to work from a very good Cerrosafe chamber cast.

I think this thread is cruel to people who eat Wheaties, since the experience may never be the same again. We post also for people who may read and decide to adopt the projects themselves. For all the splendid craftsmanship and grasp of technology we have seen there, I think there may be better ways than the .25 ACP of producing a single shot rifle for a small centrefire round.

[Chev. William]

Ahh But... My intent is:
One: Convert a .22LR chambered Marlin Model 56 short throw Lever action Detachable Magazine Rifle to fire .25ACP through a Lothar Walther .25ACP/6.35mm Browning Barrel of maximum possible length (about 23.4" or so) as a Repeating Rifle.
Two: Convert a Single Shot rifle to fire "lengthened .25ACP" experimental cartridges.
Three: Enjoy a 'inexpensive' hobby of Handloading and Cartridge development on a "Shoestring' budget in my advancing age and limited Finances.

Is it "Practical"? I do not know yet.

Is it useful? I think it will be, as the cost per shot is down low and is within my financial reach.

Is it Accurate? That is to be determined, but it is reported that .25 Stevens, firing a 67 grain Lead bullet at about 1100fps was accurate to over 150 yards, and usable for Target shooting out to 200 yards on calm days. The End accuracy of the Converted rifles is highly dependent upon the Gunsmith and components used, and to the capabilities of the person shooting the Rifle.

I am not a 'Hunter' as my body no longer accepts long hilly hikes and my City and County both have 'no hunting' Ordinances, in addition my city also has a "no Discharging firearms outside Regularly Licensed Ranges", Police and Animal Control personnel excepted.

I get to a Range about once a Month, depending upon weather and finances, so my enjoyment is mostly in the 'puttering' between range sessions.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

[Chev. William]

I got 1,000 .251" FMJ RN 50 gr bullets for $10 a few years back.
The only long .251" groove barrels I have seen were the Redman liners.
I have done various overload experiments on the 25acp.
It can make painful recoil.
Have you looked at the Lothar Walther web site? It lists a "Pistol" Barrel blank in .251 Groove Diameter 605mm long (23.6") which would make a Dandy rifle Barrel.
Best Regards,
Chev. William

[Bigslug]

I think the way we'd want to do this for broader-based appeal would be to invent the ".25 Long" as suggested back on post #9. Increase the case body diameter slightly to something that can use a .257" bullet, and set the length so it will fit in a .22 WMR magazine well when loaded with a heavy-for-the-size projectile. . .maybe 70-90 grains? You'd have something running right around speed of sound methinks, with a lot more penetration capability than .22LR.

[Chev. William]

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The ".25-10 Halsted" is a CF Cartridge designed to be used in a worn out ".25 Stevens RF" Barrel; so yes it is possible to make a Cartridge to take .257" bullets in a Lengthened ".25ACP" design case.

The .25-10 Halsted uses a swaged down .22 hornet case as its Basic start. It is .278" body diameter by 1.125" case length is formed to take .257" diameter Bullets in the 60 to 70 grain weight range.

Possibly it would be practical to use a case length around the same as a ".22 WMR RF cartridge and load it to the same Over All Length.

There is a proposed wildcat, the .25 Magnum Auto Colt Pistol of 1.024" to 1.056" case length made from a swaged down 5.7x28mm case. It has a Body diameter of .278", the same as .25ACP and .25Stevens Long RF cartridges. It also is developed to use the .251" diameter Bullets like the .25ACP.
Swaged down .257" diameter Jacketed bullets are also usable (I have swaged down Hornady #2510 60 grain RFN bullets successfully for use in this wildcat and also in its shorter sibling, the ,25 Auto Long Rifle of .960" case length).

It would mean finding a Magazine to hold the Larger diameter Cartridge with the internal length to take the "WMR" length cartridge. Bullets of 70-90 grains are available inn .257" nominal Diameter as that Rifle Caliber is still Popular. I am presently preparing to use some Gas check fitted 70-73 grain Cast Led bullets Sized to .252" to see how they will Preform in my .25 Stevens Barrels. I also have a 'Bastardized' Barrel that is .257 Groove Diameter partially turned to fit a Stevens 'Favorite' Action. That Experiment is planned 'down the road' a time yet.

As a "popular" possibility it does have an appeal as Barrel Blanks and Liners are available more generally in .250 Bore/.257 Groove dimensions, and I am sure there are More Popular CF Actions that can be converted with a Barrel Change IF suitable Magazines can be identified.

Perhaps you would Take on the task of Researching Magazines and Actions that are Suitable for use in such Conversions?

Best Regards,
Chev. William

[Chev. William]

No broadhead or stone arrowhead I've ever seen was "shaft diameter." They are always....always larger. Look at a Clovis point. Shaft diameter points were not used for larger game.

The point about trying to compare a 25 ACP round to an arrowhead is not relevant for that reason. The arrowhead always opens a larger wound channel. No comparison will make a 25 ACP anything but a very, very slow killer of deer sized game with anything but a behind the ear shot, or a much chancier spinal shot, which shouldn't be attempted anyway. If a round won't kill quickly with a higher percentage chest cavity shot, which is a much larger target to hit that moves less than a head, it shouldn't be used for game hunting.

In a "Survival " situation, "Any Kill" is better than "No Kill" even if the "Kill" takes time and tracking to follow up on. For Survival, gaining Food is the Important Point.
Chev. William

[Chev. William]

Rifle Barrels are Available used!
I obtained both a Stevens ".25 R.F." and a Remington ".25-10 R.F." barrels from Ebay Auctions for reasonable costs.
The Remington barrel is for a #4 RB action and has a 'Ghost of Rifling' remaining in a Clean Bore without pits.
The Stevens barrel is still 'dirty' but shows reasonable rifling in a lightly pitted bore, good for a bore that saw BP use for a Hundred plus years.

Both are about 22 inches overall Muzzle to Breech Face length.
Both will chamber .25ACP cartridges, but the long for cartridge chamber will reduce overall accuracy.
The Remington could be set back and tenon turned to fit another action with improved accuracy;but that would reduce its antique value.
The Stevens barrel Tenon could also be turned to fit another action.

Chev. William

[Alferd Packer]

I reload .25 acp and cast bullets for it. Liken to a reloadable .22 Rimfire. Its fun and no harder to reload than any other except it is very economical with lead and powder. Detractors sound a bit silly. I also load and cast for .32 pistol thru 45-70 rifle. Its all good.

[Chev. William]

I reload .25 acp and cast bullets for it. Liken to a reloadable .22 Rimfire. Its fun and no harder to reload than any other except it is very economical with lead and powder. Detractors sound a bit silly. I also load and cast for .32 pistol thru 45-70 rifle. Its all good.

Ah, You too Enjoy 'frugal Fun' pastimes!
Chev. William

[Chainsaw.]

If .25acp is painful to shoot you have the gun pointed in the wrong direction.

[Chev. William]

If .25acp is painful to shoot you have the gun pointed in the wrong direction.

Laughing Out Loud!!!!!
Chev. William

[psweigle]

So true. Lol

[Chev. William]

Monday, December 10th, I received Back my fitted Custom 8-1/8" long .25ACP Ruger MKII Pistol Barrel and Receiver with converted Bolt assembly.

I now have a 'Single Shot' Pistol until I finish making magazine(s) to feed it a diet of .25ACP Cartridges.

My Christmas Came Early this Year.
Chev. William

[Mr_Sheesh]

Sounds very fun :) Hoping you can get some mags set up and enjoy multiple shots soon!

[dverna]

The OP started this thread over 4 years ago. It does not appear a rifle was ever produced. It proves that there is a significant cost savings in ammunition with a project like this....it can take a long time to have something that shoots. LOL

Now, with .22 LR cheap and plentiful, there is no economic driver. Best to stock up on .22's while the getting is good!

I was on a similar quest. I have a lathe and could possibly do some of the work myself. Called Dillon and they will not produce a conversion or shell plate in .25ACP. I will never entertain a plinking round that cannot be produced on a progressive. If I shoot that little, the cost savings are immaterial.

So then I looked at a .327 lever action and it would have taken a very long time to save enough to recoup the slight additional cost of shooting .38 Spl. I already had 5 firearms that took the .38 Spl. (Three rifles and two pistols) So why set up to load another caliber (dies, caliber conversion, 1000 cases, mold, sizer - $400+) and buy a new gun ($700)? Spend over $1000 to save maybe a $.01 per shot? 100,000 rounds to break even and I would need the brass to last for 100 reloads.

This is the problem with saving money. It takes so much ammunition downrange to save enough to justify spending the upfront money to get there. And the older we are, the less time we have to achieve the savings.


There was a guy here who used a neat phrase...."Sometimes you need to ignore the good idea fairy"

BTW, this does not lessen my admiration for those who are talented enough to complete a project like this. I equate it to those who can build a custom wildcat rifle. A showcase of their talent, a result almost approaching art, and a labor of love that regrettably has little economic or practical value. Yet, I enjoy reading about their work.

[RED BEAR]

i also reload and cast for the 25 acp and also don't find it to be a problem. i think the idea for a 25acp rifle sounds interesting. not sure of the dia. of air rifle barrel but it would be cheap as they can be had under 1 hundred dollars. not sure doing a lever action would ever be cost effective but it might be fun just to test it it would be a simple matter to mate a barrel to any old break open reciever. is there a particular need no but i don't see a particular need for a lot of new cartridges.

[psweigle]

Im still collecting the parts and pieces to make it all come together. I've settled on a h&r single shot. I have the 223,and am currently looking for the doner shotgun barrel to put the liner in.

[iomskp]

I don't think any of these projects are about saving money or even being cost effective, with me it's about doing stuff that that tickles the feel good bone.

[Chev. William]

In My personal Case, my Projects are Stretched out in time to ease the 'pain' to my Monthly Budgeting of my Low Fixed Retirement Income and its decreasing purchase power as 'Time Marches On'.

I work with .32, .25, and .22 Pistol Rounds because they are Frugal with both Propellant and Lead. When I was Working steadily, I 'played' with 44-40, 45 Auto, and 30-06 among others.

I LIKE the Idea of Reload-able .22LR , .25 Stevens, and .32 Colt Long. using CF designs to avoid the Rim priming problems.

I have a partial year Project to convert a Ruger Standard Auto Pistol from .22LR (RF) to .25ACP (CF) and it is partially done.
It is now shoot-able as a 'Single Shot Auto Eject' pistol.

I am working on the Magazines to fit, and Function, in it.

Chev. William

[psweigle]

My project is slowly and steadily moving forward. Time and money are the top driving forces in it, and timing seems to play into it. Gunsmith time isnt cbeap, and at certain times of the year, they get quite busy. So when the money is available, the time isnt. But I will get it done and make sure to post the results.

[John Taylor]

In My personal Case, my Projects are Stretched out in time to ease the 'pain' to my Monthly Budgeting of my Low Fixed Retirement Income and its decreasing purchase power at Time marches on.

I work with .32, .25, and .22 Pistol Rounds because they are Frugal with both Propellant and Lead. When I was Working steadily, I 'played' with 44-40, 45 Auto, and 30-06 among others.

I LIKE the Idea of Reload-able .22LR , .25 Stevens, and .32 Colt Long. using CF designs to avoid the Rim priming problems.

I have a partial year Project to convert a Ruger Standard Auto Pistol from .22LR (RF) to .25ACP (CF) and it is partially done.
It is now shoot-able as a Single shot auto eject pistol.

I am working on the Magazines to fit, and Function, in it.

Chev. William

Have you checked it on a target yet to see how it shoots. This is one project I have some interest in.

[Chev. William]

Not yet, Gathering money to try it at an indoor rang first.
Hopefully I wil have enough after paying rest of December Bills to make a range run.
Note: Los Angeles Does NOT like civilians shooting outside commercial ranges, and I have an indoor range in neighboring Burbank, CA the next one is a Outdoor Commercial range in nearby Angeles Forest about 10 miles away.

[Chev. William]

Per Requests Finally, Photos:
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The Modified Bolt Face. Note the enlarged Rim rebate to fit the .25ACP rim and the Centered round firing pin tip.

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The top view of the Bolt with recoil assembly removed to show the new firing pin in its channel.

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Left side of Modified MKII pistol with its new ~8" Barrel.

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Right side of Modified MKII pistol wiht its ~8" long Barrel.

These Photos were taken by my Friend with a Camera that has a "Macro" Photo Capability.

Chev. William

[Chev. William]

Have you checked it on a target yet to see how it shoots. This is one project I have some interest in.

Yes, on Dec. 27th My Special Effects Friend and I took time for a "Range Day" at our local commercial Outdoor Range Facility (Angeles ranges) for Testing, Fun, and relaxation.
OOPS: it seems a Whole Bunch of People had the same Idea at the same time.

We finally got a spot at the end of the 7 yard Pistol Only line next to the first 100 yard Mixed use Bench, so 'Standing Off Hand' was the shooting 'position of choice' for the Morning.

Comparing shooting my Ruger .22LR with 5.5" bull Target barrel to shooting the 'new converted Ruger .25ACP with 8-1/8" tapered barrel; I find they both have about the same perceived Recoil, muzzle Rise and bolt action and travel.

Accuracy at 7 yards was good once the sight was adjusted to bring the shots to Vertical Center POI over the POA (I was unable to adjust the Height of POI as i did not have the needed tool with me).

Accuracy at 50 yards, shooting 'cross range' slightly, was also good and I expect the Pistol is more accurate than I am in Standing Off Hand now.

it appears the stock recoil spring assembly is sufficient for Factory Loaded .25ACP, in the 775 to 800 fps Tested Velocity (in 6" test Barrels) stated by the European ('PPU' and 'Fiocchi') Manufacturers.

After the Morning at the range, I took the pistol to my gunsmith and he switched the elevation screw out for one with a slot head so i will be able to adjust it next time.

So far this Conversion is 'shaking down' Very Well and I am Very Pleased with what I am finding out about it's performance.

Costs to date, including original purchase and transfer fees and taxes, conversion work and materials values; but not including magazine bits and pieces, is about $860. This was Spread out over Several Months.

Chev. William

[Chev. William]

February 14th, I took another "Range Day" in the Wet, Cold, Breezy afternoon to shoot my Ruger .25ACP Standard Auto MKII Pistol, firing aobut 150 rounds of Factory ammo through it in 'Single Shot Auto Eject' mode over about 4 hours.

In spite of my shivering in the Gusting Wet Crosswind, I managed to Off Hand 'pattern' only slightyl low and to the Left of POA today using a 'Military 6 o'clock' hold on the target's central small orange dot.
I did not try to adjust my rear sight due to the uncertainty of POA/POI relatioship in the existing conditions.

Overall it seems the Pistol is more Accurate than I am 'Standing Off Hand' when shivering in blowing cold rain.
Note that Thursday was chosen as it is a 'Half Price' day at Angeles Ranges.

Chev. William

[BAGTIC]

I sold my 25 ACP pistols and loading dies because my clumsy fingers found it a PITA to reload. Arthritis was not making it any easier. I would suggest something on a 32 pistol cartridge, any of them, or possibly a necked up 22 Hornet.

A rimmed case offers a lot of advantages in a single shot as it facilitates different COL and ogive shapes better than a rimless cartridge that seats on case neck.

[trapper9260]

Before a 327 rifle was talk about.I had my gunsmith make one for me in single shot. able to shoot all that I can shoot in my BH. Some time go I almost bought a 25acp at auction the guy that was bidding against me needed it more then I did for how high he went. I end up save money ,I did not had to set up to reload for it and get molds to cast for it.

[Chev. William]

I sold my 25 ACP pistols and loading dies because my clumsy fingers found it a PITA to reload. Arthritis was not making it any easier. I would suggest something on a 32 pistol cartridge, any of them, or possibly a necked up 22 Hornet.

A rimmed case offers a lot of advantages in a single shot as it facilitates different COL and ogive shapes better than a rimless cartridge that seats on case neck.

Uh, Bagtic, you should understand that the .25ACP and .32 ACP are both of the 'Semi-Rimmed" design in that their rim diameter is larger than their body diameter but they do have an Extractor Clearance Cut (ECC) that makes them look like a 'rimless' type. They do head space on the rim.

Chuckling,
Chev. William

[Earlwb]

A barrel insert for a shotgun would be pretty interesting in 25ACP. I would expect it would be very quiet. A 6 to 12 inch long barrel insert would leave the rest of the barrel acting like a sound suppressor. You would probably get more of a "thunk" sound than a "bang". I remember there being quite a few barrel inserts made for shotguns a while back. The choices have dried up quite a bit from what there used to be out there.

[Chev. William]

Interesting idea to use a short adapter in a shotgun.
This got me thinking of a 12 gauge with a 26" barrel and a 6" adapter, firing .25ACP, would maybe cause the remaining length to 'ring' like an organ pipe, and give a 'mournful' reverberating sound to the discharge.

Chev. William

[Chev. William]

My gunsmith converted two new CNC machined .22RF Stevens 1915 "Favorite" Breech Block to Center Fire:

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The Left one in the Photo is shown with the New Firing Pin in the furthest 'fired' position.
The Right one in the Photo has the New Firing Pin positioned on the side of the Breech Block in approximately the same relative position.

In addition my gunsmith put two 'beads' of weld on the lower rear 'ears' of the Breech Block to allow hand fitting of the Breech Block so as top wedge tight between the Barrel Breech and the Rear 'shoulders' of the Receiver, reducing the Stress on the Breech Block pivot screw when the Action is fired.

Both ends of the New firing pin need to be fitted to the Action for proper 'extension and contour'.

Chev. William