Range lead score and waste oil burner build.

[Magana559]

Well I scored three full buckets of range lead last weekend and quite a few 22 brass casings! Stoked to say the least but what's really got me excited is my new waist oil burner I'm using to smelt down the lead.

Pictures and more info to come soon so stay tuned!

[tom44]

Very interested in seeing the burner.

[JASON4X4]

I'm interested in your burner I make biodiesel and never thought of one.

[Short Range]

Been kicking around the idea of using a waste oil burner for smelting wheel weights. Just not sure of the best way to keep it under zinc melting temps. Be very interesting to see what your setup is. Might get some good ideas on how to go about building one.

[badbob454]

im tuned in , and waiting for pic's

[USAFrox]

Please forgive my ignorance, but are we talking about used motor oil, or used cooking oil, or something else, or all of the above? What kind of "waste oil" will you be burning? Very interested.

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

I would like to see the pics too. BTW, what do you do with 22 casings?

[Magana559]

I'll answer all your questions in a few minutes, I'm about to go outside and take pictures.!

[Magana559]

This is a simple open the gates of hell burner. Really hard to control temp unless you can control air and oil precisely.

This burner runs on filtered used motor oil and a hair dryer to force air in the burner. Also this is a prototype, not by any means my final product.

Excuse my mess and lack of clear pictures.

This is my old wood burner made from a rather large propane tank, it was powered by mostly peach wood and a leaf blower. Due to the nature of the beast it was too slow, time consuming, and in my opinion a waste of good firewood.
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OK so next is a picture of the whole thing. It's a bit fuzzy but you can get the picture (no pun intended! )

[Magana559]

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I'm going to have to post pictures in individual posts, posting from my phone is incredibly frustrating. Maybe a mod can paste all of them together.

Anyway here is the burner, simple design that works.

[Magana559]

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This is the weed sprayer that I used to pressurize my fuel feed also the ball valve is to regulate fuel flow.


See what I mean! Pictures are flipped in the first two posts! Ahh!!!!

[Magana559]

Ok I'm all jumbled and backwards now so let me straighten back up.

The whole burner is a simple design. In order to make an oil burner work you need a few things. First we need oil and that's when the weed sprayer comes in to pressurize and oil storage. Next we need delivery, I have 3/8 hose coming from the weed sprayer and a 3/8 ball valve to regulate the flow, again we have more 3/8 hose coming off the 3/8 ball valve and into the brass tube nozzle that goes into the combustion chamber.

With fuel taken care of now we need forced air. So, that's where the hair dryer comes to play. The hair dryer provides forced air with the variable speed option and cold air and heated air (we do not need heated air so in order to save on electricity i use the cold air option). Next wee need the intake tube so we don't melt our blower fan (hair dryer) so for the intake I used 2" cast pipe a 2" to 1" reducer and 6-8" of black 1" pipe into the combustion chamber. Finally for the combustion chamber I used an old fire extinguisher with a 1" hole cut on the bottom to insert the intake, a .310 hole next to that hole for the oil feed line, and a 2" square hole on top so the fires of hell can escape and melt your lead!

[Magana559]

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picture of intake tube and oil feed line

[Magana559]

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closer look at oil feed and intake

[Magana559]

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And finally the combustion chamber

[lylejb]

OK, I got the idea, now let's see it in action.:bigsmyl2:

[dragon813gt]

No way would I mess w/ that. I have to fix waste oil and heavy oil burners at work. They are all air atomized high pressure preheated oil burners. And even then the combustion readings are horrible. Have at it if you want to. I don't need to breathe the hell that burning waste oil produces, which is high in heavy metals.

[dikman]

Yeah, used engine oil is generally considered to contain all manner of not-nice stuff! If you could get used cooking oil it might be a bit safer? (And probably smell better too).

[Magana559]

No smell or smoke off the burner itself, all the smoke comes from the pot. Also being a forced air burner it blasts hot air and smoke vertical. About 15-20 feet above me then it just rolls away.

By all means this isn't a project for all, I use it to cut the costs of propane. I'm not worried about the heavy metals, I'm smelting and refining a heavy metal for God's sake.

if it's not so hot tonight I'll make a video.

[Magana559]

This is definitely a prototype and I'm working on burner 2.0. I made a short video, it's uploading at the moment and I'll post it when done.

[Magana559]

Yes definitely, I'm going to make adjustments to improve air flow and air spin. That way when I turn on the oil it spatters on the walls of the new burner and vaporize. With all that I can get a almost complet burn within the chamber.

Believe it or not, it's not smokey, very small amount smoke. Thats caused by a small amount of combustion that is happening out side of the chamber.

Another thing I will do to aid flow and complete combustion is to plum the oil line into the intake, that way there is no way it can over heat.

[Magana559]

Also the video didn't upload for some reason. I'll post it when i get some WiFi.

[dragon813gt]

Like I said, do what you want. But do not fool yourself about the heavy metals. You are not vaporizing lead when rendering it. I know what's in the combustion products from burning waste oil, thanks to a combustion analyzer. You do not want to breathe any of it. Keeping the carbon monoxide to an acceptable level, where you won't be exposed to the combustion, is hard enough in a burner designed to burn heavy oils. Just giving you fair warning about how dangerous this type of burner can be.

I also don't understand the part about spattering the oil on the walls for complete combustion. That is the last thing you want. You want the flame to have no impingement on the chamber walls. If it does the flame cools and the combustion is horrible.

[1989toddm]

I have been rolling ideas over in my head for a few months now trying to figure out the best design for a waste oil burning lead smelter. I may just try this, although I will put the burner inside the barrel I have cut and plan to weld my lead pot in the top of. It seems to me that if you have 95% of the lead pot surface captured inside the furnace the melt will be faster.

[Magana559]

Like I said, do what you want. But do not fool yourself about the heavy metals. You are not vaporizing lead when rendering it. I know what's in the combustion products from burning waste oil, thanks to a combustion analyzer. You do not want to breathe any of it. Keeping the carbon monoxide to an acceptable level, where you won't be exposed to the combustion, is hard enough in a burner designed to burn heavy oils. Just giving you fair warning about how dangerous this type of burner can be.

I also don't understand the part about spattering the oil on the walls for complete combustion. That is the last thing you want. You want the flame to have no impingement on the chamber walls. If it does the flame cools and the combustion is horrible.

I really do understand your concern, but I have talked to many people with this type of burner and I'm really not concerned. I'll look into a NBC reparator.

You are correct about oil cooling the walls and causing horrible combustion if this was a high volume compact oil burner. There are two ways to make a an oil burner work. One is by atomizing the oil to burn, the other is by vaporizing. I am using the vaporization method and in order to vaporize the oil the burner must be hot in order to do two things. One is to vaporize the oil and two is to make the vapors hot enough to auto ignite.

If we get to swirl the flame we increase the surface area and increase the burn time in the burner. By increasing the surface area of the flame and burn time in the combustion amber we get more efficiency and BTU on this type of burner.

If I was running a devlan siphon nozzle then the game changes because we are atomizing the oil to burn and oil on the walls would be a bad.

[WILCO]

im tuned in , and waiting for pic's

Same here.

[Magana559]

First page should have them up. I posted em.

[bangerjim]

Interesting idea.

Personally I would have far more trouble and very high cost finding used (yuck) motor oil than just driving over the gas station 1/2 mile away and getting one of my 20# propane cylinders filled to use with my plumber's furnace. And since I do not live in the boonies, I could not burn old oil in town anyway. Neighbors would be calling the EPA on me!

But if you have a repeatable source of old oil, an area to do it with no violations, and the correct respirator to wear (there are many hidden carcinogens and nasty toxins in there besides the little to any from the lead you are melting) then by all means burn away.

Let us know your progress for those that are trying to smelting on the cheap. In my opinion, propane or electricity is the cheap, clean, efficient and fast way to melt lead.

Good luck on your endevour.

bangerjim

[Magana559]

http://youtu.be/g-3V3lmSvLM

already melted 150 lbs. Pretty darn happy with the results.

Looks like somebody didn't care for my thread lol only one star.

[Magana559]

Being an auto mechanic i have unlimited access to used motor oil. He'll i even run my smudge pot on a 50/50 oil diesel.