Serious Thoughts on a 41 Mag mould-I will Honcho [Archive]

475/480

09-15-2005, 02:35 PM

First off,this will be my 1st deal to Honcho thru Lee.
Also I doubt we will have enough interests to get 25 buyers in a 41 Mag mould,so we will be spending close to $65-$70 for a 6 cavity mould.
If we do not get 25 orders,Lee has a $100.00 setup fee that will be split between all buyers.

My thoughts on a heavy 41 mag mould--
Weight-265 gr
Alloy-Wheel Weight
Length-.775"
Noselength-.425 ,this will fit Ruger and SW revolvers
Front Band Dia -.409
Front Band Length-.100
Body Diameter- .411-.412
Nosewidth-MEPLATE- 75%
Crimp Groove length- .055"
Body Band Length .0675"
Gas Check Shank Length-.120"
Gas Check Shank Dia.-.3925
Groove Angle- 45 degrees
I do not have a design sheet from Lee,there may be more spec's needed,feel free to help with design information.Most of these numbers came off of Dan's (MM) site.

So What does everybody think???

Sean

Bodydoc447

09-15-2005, 02:52 PM

At first blush (meaning I am going to go plug all your numbers into Mt Molds so I can look at the picture, too!) I would order at least one mold of this one. And probably two in case I got ham-handed. Thanks for your efforts and volunteering to honcho. We might be surprised at the number of 41 enthusiasts who decide to buy into such a project.

Doc

RugerFan

09-15-2005, 03:19 PM

475/480,
Although your specs aren't "ideal" for me personally, they are close enough that you could count me in. My concerns are the following:

Why a gas check shank length of .120"? Seems a bit long. Wouldn't .100" suffice?

Your body band length is .675". Did you mean .0675"?

-Todd

475/480

09-15-2005, 03:23 PM

Thanks,I corrected the band to .0675.
This is just personal opinion,but I like a good size grease groove in front of the gas check.

Sean

Cayoot

09-15-2005, 04:19 PM

This sounds like a great beginning! I would be in for at least one, maybe two of these....any chance of getting a drawing posted?

I will also be interested in anything around 280 grain or heaver.

Thanks for raising your hand on this one. :p

felix

09-15-2005, 04:34 PM

I personally was thinking more in the 220-230 gas check version with a 0.413 diameter for 75-80 percent of the entire boolit length, and then dove-tail into a 60 percent flat nose. A very small crimp groove would be placed 0.2 back of the start of the ogive. ... felix

475/480

09-15-2005, 05:04 PM

Here is a picture.

Sean

7br

09-15-2005, 09:37 PM

The inside dimension of a Hornady .416 gas check is .395. I would suggest about .392 or so on the diameter of the gascheck shank. I am not married to the idea of a gascheck for this size of bullet. Would there be a possiblity of three of the cavities cut without the check?

475/480

09-15-2005, 09:47 PM

Thanks 7br,I changed the GC dia to .3925 to fit the Hornady and Gator .416
Lee say's NO dual cavity moulds.
Do we have anyone that can do the drawing.

Sean

GregP42

09-15-2005, 11:20 PM

OK, I think I can scroung up some cash somewhere if this does go through, ramem for dinner for awhile ;) As for the weight, why not a 250? If not 265 is fine by me.With a nose of .425, that will make it 1.715 OAL if I have it figured right, (1.290 + .425 = 1.715) That will be cutting it close on my ruger, but I am game, lets run it up the flagpole and see who salutes.
OK, now off to bed for me, my head is falling over.

Greg

crazy mark

09-15-2005, 11:47 PM

I would pony up for one even though I don't like Lee moulds. It would need to be .413 diameter and meet Felixes needs as I plan on using it in a Ruger, T/C and an 1894FG.
Mark

Buckshot

09-16-2005, 12:55 AM

............Heck at 265grs and a GC I might even get one for my 40-65 :D

..............Buckshot

7br

09-16-2005, 08:18 AM

This may be a stupid question, but if we are looking at $60-70 anyway, would Dan at Mountain moulds be interested in doing a run for us? I have one 4 cavity mould and really didn't need the production. I guess he is probably going to be a little bit out of touch because of hunting season, but then so am I.

475/480

09-16-2005, 08:24 AM

The best Dan can do is a 3 cavity,I actually have a 3 cavity -.411,255gr WFNGC from him.
This is 1 of the reasons I went with 265gr ,I didn't need another 250 or 255gr mould.

Sean

475/480

09-16-2005, 08:29 AM

I would pony up for one even though I don't like Lee moulds. It would need to be .413 diameter and meet Felixes needs as I plan on using it in a Ruger, T/C and an 1894FG.
Mark

Sorry,problem is a 230-240gr at .413 is to small on weight and to big on Diameter.

Sean

Bodydoc447

09-16-2005, 09:02 AM

I would really like the 6 cavity Lee. I can definitely use the production. I don't like any of the current Lee designs and the only 4 cavity I have is a 210 SWC which is a little heavy to cast with for very long. I wouldn't mind a 220 gr 410459 or 41032 design, but most of y'all are way past that. I like Sean's design very much. I am learning a heck of a lot from you guys' posts. I am ready to send my check in whenever Sean is ready!

Thanks!!

Doc

7br

09-16-2005, 06:48 PM

I have a couple of bids in on ebay. I assume they will fall through. If they do, I would be interested if the price is less than $60. I really don't need the production and I would rather spring the extra for a mountain mould.

Bear4570

09-17-2005, 06:55 PM

Put me down for one, my blackhawk loves the 250, should shot this well also.

Bodydoc447

09-19-2005, 11:38 AM

Are the Oregon Trail (TruBlue) and Cast Performance WFN GC designs a good place to start thinking about load data? I was considering ordering a few of these to get my feet wet, so to speak. Dang but that could get expensive if you do much shooting! Will be glad to get this one under way.

Doc

porkchop bob

09-19-2005, 12:57 PM

475/480

09-19-2005, 01:49 PM

RugerFan

09-19-2005, 03:02 PM

Sounds like a plan. Count me in.

-Todd

Bodydoc447

09-19-2005, 03:06 PM

I am DEFINITELY in.

Doc

Cayoot

09-19-2005, 05:27 PM

As soon as I see the word come up, I'll be sending in my check. I am going to get one of these! [smilie=w:

GregP42

09-19-2005, 08:22 PM

If we can get 10 orders I will get this started.If not the price on these would go even higher $70.00 and I dont think it is worth it.
Hi PC Bob, why do we need more lube? I increased the lube area in front of the gascheck for this very purpose.But if there is a reason feel free to speak up.Also if we decrease band width too much the bands will be difficult to fill.

Sean

Sean,

Can you get a picture posted? I think that would help us out too. IF we can get the price down to a reasonable price (Yes I am a poor person) I want in, I need one as buying them costs way too much for me.

Greg

porkchop bob

09-20-2005, 12:25 AM

If we can get 10 orders I will get this started.If not the price on these would go even higher $70.00 and I dont think it is worth it.

Hi PC Bob, why do we need more lube? ...

Sean

Sean, to second, Greg, a picture is needed.

Of the molds I have for this caliber, the SEACO #411 220 grain Keith type has the largest lube groove and shoots the best for me in my S&W 657. Does that mean that more lube makes a bullet better, I do not know. Expect other factors are at work.

However, at 265 grains, the bullet we are discussing is 20% heaver than what I am now shooting. I will have to get a rifle to use a bullet this heavy. Now that is a happy thought :-)

Sean, please disregard my earlier request for a design change to increase lube. The space ahead of the gas check was not included in my considerations when I made it.

I would rather have had a similar design for a 250 grain bullet but it is too light for this group. However, I will still buy a mold assuming the cost does not exceed $70 and sit it aside for that rifle.

Bob

475/480

09-20-2005, 02:21 PM

There is a picture, check my post on the 1st page were it say's picture,unless you are talking about a drawing.

Thanks Sean

GregP42

09-20-2005, 06:33 PM

There is a picture, check my post on the 1st page were it say's picture,unless you are talking about a drawing.

Thanks Sean

Sean,

I had forgotten about the .bmp file you posted. Maybe a drawing that everyone can see with out having to DL and open the .bmp file would help us out. I don't know how to make the drawing or I would offer, do we have someone that could?

Greg

45nut

09-20-2005, 07:45 PM

There is a jpeg version for ya.

Bodydoc447

09-23-2005, 09:05 AM

Now ain't that a lovely boolit?! Looks like it ought to be a good shooter out of the Ruger Blackhawks. We'll have to let the rubber meet the road to be sure, though.

Doc

Bodydoc447

09-23-2005, 09:07 AM

Sean,

As an aside, I hope you are safe and out of harm's way during the coming storm and it's aftermath. We have lots of friends in the Houston area and we are praying for all of you.

Doc

475/480

09-24-2005, 09:10 PM

Hi everybody been gone ,hurricane came in.
Monday I will get a bullet (255gr WFNGC) sent to 45 2.1 after he gets the bullet,he will do a design for the 265gr WFNGC at the spec's listed in the first post,then the design will be posted and I will take order's if we get at least 10 taker's.
Thanks for the pic 45nut

Sean

Bodydoc447

09-29-2005, 08:50 AM

Sean,

Thanks to you and 45 2.1 for carrying this one forward. I am anxious to see the results on target.

Doc

Cayoot

10-05-2005, 03:15 PM

I've been out of the loop for a while....What is the current progress towards this project? I'm ready to send $$ if we are ready to roll.

I've been waiting a looong time for a heavyweight .41 mold! [smilie=p:

475/480

10-06-2005, 11:14 AM

Hi Cayoot,
I have sent all data to 45 2.1 ,he is doing a bullet drawing at this time.Sometime soon.

Sean

Cayoot

10-08-2005, 10:52 AM

Ok Thanks!!! I'm really looking forward to this one!

475/480

10-09-2005, 08:15 PM

I like the design but can the lube groove be increased in width? Perhaps by making two of the driving bands on either side of it slightly smaller in width. I know this will decrease total weight somewhat but think the extra lube is needed. Thanks for your consideration. Bob

**You can use Cast performance or any other cast bullet ,If the noselength is under .425" long.

** Sorry the drawing is being made already.

Sean

45 2.1

10-10-2005, 07:32 PM

Sean's bullet as he spec'd.

Bodydoc447

10-10-2005, 09:09 PM

sign me up!

Doc

RugerFan

10-10-2005, 11:10 PM

Looks like a winner. Thanks 45 2.1 for the drawing.

bodydoc447- Congrats on snagging "The Art of Bullet Casting" on eBay. I was bidding, but let it slide.

Cayoot

10-11-2005, 08:17 AM

It's a beautiful thing!

When/where can we send the money in? :razz:

GLynn41

10-11-2005, 10:08 AM

I would be interested also :lovebooli

Bodydoc447

10-11-2005, 10:17 AM

We ought to very easily be able to come up with at least 10 mold orders for this one! Sounds like we are half way there already.

Doc

GregP42

10-11-2005, 11:54 PM

45 2.1, that is a nice looking bullet. What is the distance from the crimp grove to the flat nose there?

Greg

45 2.1

10-12-2005, 07:00 AM

45 2.1, that is a nice looking bullet. What is the distance from the crimp grove to the flat nose there?

Greg

0.425" as per Sean's specs.

GregP42

10-12-2005, 11:56 AM

0.425" as per Sean's specs.

Cool, so we are looking at a OAL of 1.715" (1.290" + .425") I will re measure my pistol tonight, I think that will work with a little to spare.

Greg

475/480

10-12-2005, 04:08 PM

Sean's bullet as he spec'd.

Thanks 45 2.1

Sean

475/480

10-12-2005, 04:17 PM

OK everybody,I will start excepting orders as of now.hopefully we can get at least 10 if not we will be forced to punt on this one.
I will NOT put any money in bank until we get a minimum of 10 order's.
*** Cost = $ 66.00**
Send to:
Sean Harper
6116 Jason St
Houston,Tx 77074

I will post a list of money recieved.

Sean

Bodydoc447

10-12-2005, 05:36 PM

Sean,

$66 each, right? I got my check ready for tomorrow's mail! Thanks to you and 45 2.1 for the heavy lifting and to everyone else who contributed to this deal. I feel like my boys at Christmas looking forward to a 6 cavity .41 mold!

Doc

475/480

10-12-2005, 10:30 PM

Yes ,cost is $ 66.00

Sean

GregP42

10-12-2005, 11:53 PM

Yes ,cost is $ 66.00

Sean

Sean,

How quick do you need the funds? I need to look at the budget, but I want one. I figure it will be 1.715 AOL, and I my cylinder is 1.725, that leave me .010 so if I am careful and watch my trim to length I will be fine.

Greg

*Boy does Ramen taste good :wink: *

475/480

10-13-2005, 07:29 AM

I will give this plenty of time to go thru.

Sean

Bullshop

10-13-2005, 12:26 PM

Here is a picture.

Sean
I might if I knew what it is. Is this the one yall have settled on? Please forgive my IGNORANCE!!! and inability to follow, I just need a bit more help than most. Many thanks!!!
BIC/BS

GregP42

10-13-2005, 07:52 PM

I will give this plenty of time to go thru.

Sean

Sean,

Then put me down for one and I will start tossing cash in a jar this week.

Greg

45 2.1

10-13-2005, 07:58 PM

I might if I knew what it is. Is this the one yall have settled on? Please forgive my IGNORANCE!!! and inability to follow, I just need a bit more help than most. Many thanks!!!
BIC/BS

This is what Sean has been talking about. A 265 gr. LBT WFNGC rendition lengthened from a 250 gr bullet sample.

Bullshop

10-13-2005, 11:48 PM

45 2..1
Thanks for splainin to me. You can punch another # on your clicker, Ill take one. I already have a 6 cylender from Walt M. in that weight but it only drops at .409" DRATS!! Might make a good vermin booit for the 405/416 wanabe. Ill pray that mine drops at closer to .413" or dare I even think .414", preferably round.
BIC/BS

Buckshot

10-14-2005, 02:22 AM

............Dang, 265grs? I'd almost get one to use in my 40-65 as a plinker[smilie=l:.

I'll bet you get your 25 minimum if you let it run through next month.

..............Buckshot

alamogunr

10-14-2005, 08:44 AM

Been trying to ignore this one. No such luck. My SS Bisley .41 really needs this one. Check will go in the mail Monday. Leaving in a few minutes to celebrate Grandaughter's birthday this weekend.

John

RugerFan

10-14-2005, 11:00 AM

Check went in the mail today. I'll be working out of state for the rest of the year, so no hurry. Would be nice if we did get 25 orders.

475/480

10-14-2005, 12:52 PM

Hi Rugerfan, yes it would be nice to get 25 orders.

Sean

Bullshop

10-14-2005, 01:46 PM

I see that once again I am way behind. I didnt know this was already in the check sending stage. Could you please save me some reading time and just post for me if you would the $ ammount and where it has to go. If not I will try to find it. If I cant keep up with the wagon just leave me behind and dont feel bad, I will catch the next train.
BIC/BS

475/480

10-14-2005, 03:49 PM

Hi Bullshop, cost $66.00 assuming we get 10 or more,if we get 25 ,some money will be refunded ($ 10.00).

Send to:

Sean Harper
6116 Jason St
Houston,Tx 77074

Bullshop

10-14-2005, 04:54 PM

Hi Bullshop, cost $66.00 assuming we get 10 or more,if we get 25 ,some money will be refunded ($ 10.00).

Send to:

Sean Harper
6116 Jason St
Houston,Tx 77074
Sean
God bless you brother! Thank you for helping out an old fat man. Did I say lazy, prolly should have.
BIC/BS

The_Baron

11-12-2005, 05:27 PM

I am in as well. Will be sending check for either 1 or 2 moulds.

Cayoot

11-12-2005, 05:37 PM

Am I to understand that we still have a chance to send in a check/money order for this? I've been going through the beginnings of a bad divorce and was unable to send my check in before.

475/480

11-12-2005, 07:27 PM

We are still taking orders at least till the end of the month,(maybe) a little longer than that.

Sean

Cayoot

11-13-2005, 01:36 PM

Great! Is it still $66, even for us "Johnny Come Latelys"?

Even though my divorce was/is harder on my finances than a tornado is on a trailer park, I have been able to scrounge enough pop cans that I think I can finally afford something besides my lawyer and ramen noodles once a day. So I'm pretty excited to spend some money on something that will be fun again.