NOE 360-365 280 Gr for the 35 Whelen ?

[LAGS]

I had built a custom 35 whelen a few years back, and want to try it with a heaverier CB than the Lyman 204 grainer that I used in my last Whelen.
I am thinking of purchasing the NOE 360-365, 280 Gr SP GC design.
Does anyone have any feedback in this mold design, or any good loads for this weight of bullet.
I am open to the whole selection of powders availabe, and want to shoot everything from 2400 SR4759, IMR 4198 and the regular rifle powders.
All the loading books only list 200 grain bullets for the Whelen, and I like heavier bullets.
I am new to this forum, but have been going gunwork and reloading for the better part of 40 years.
I did run thru the thread about the NOE 358009 and using IMR4350, but i am looking for a broader spectrum of loads and different powders for this bullet design.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. LAGS

[sthwestvictoria]

Welcome LAGS.
I am sure any loads for the NOE 280grain would work well.

http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/N.O.E._Bullet_Moulds_360_280Gr._SP.Jpg
Is there a particular reason you want such a pointy bullet? A good deal of people worry that spire points in cast bullets are less accurate than blunter profiles.

I use a 250grain Cast Bullet Engineering mold from Australia, Oven Heat treated, GC and pan lubed over AR2206H (H4895 for the cousins). My rifle is also a custom 35 Whelen on a M70 with a very long throat. The rifle definately prefers this long bore ringing bullet compared to the 200grain. I arrived at this load by using jacketed data and knowing that Hodgdon states you can reduce jacketed loads up to 60%.

[35 shooter]

I like the looks of that boolit too but got the old 358009 classic instead and love it. So far i've only worked with 4350 in it mainly, but have shot unique and 4759 a bit with the pb version. I finally found loading data for 4759, 4198, and 4227 from an older lyman manual i can post for you tomorrow night. I don't have it with me at the moment. The data will be for the 358009, but should work for yours too as they're the same weight. Of course start low and work up.

I'll be very interested in your results....35 shooter.

BTW...welcome to cast boolits.

[waksupi]

If hunting is in the picture at all, nix to the pointy boolit. It will not perform well on game. You need more of a Loverin type design. I think you will find a projectile in the 250-265 gr. range satisfactory for most anything you would want to do with that chambering.

[Nrut]

I had built a custom 35 whelen a few years back, and want to try it with a heaverier CB than the Lyman 204 grainer that I used in my last Whelen.
I am thinking of purchasing the NOE 360-365, 280 Gr SP GC design.
Does anyone have any feedback in this mold design, or any good loads for this weight of bullet.
I am open to the whole selection of powders availabe, and want to shoot everything from 2400 SR4759, IMR 4198 and the regular rifle powders.

All the loading books only list 200 grain bullets for the Whelen, and I like heavier bullets.

I am new to this forum, but have been going gunwork and reloading for the better part of 40 years.
I did run thru the thread about the NOE 358009 and using IMR4350, but i am looking for a broader spectrum of loads and different powders for this bullet design.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. LAGS
Every reloading manual I have (over 25) lists loads up to at least 250 grain bullets..
And you are your 2nd Whelen and didn't know that????

BTW, Hornady's first manual list loads for their 275gr. RN. which has been discontinued for some time now..
My earliest Hodgon Manual #23 2nd Printing 1979 list loads for 275gr. bullets in the .35 Rem. mag which is very close to Whelen case capacity ...

If you have been reloading for 40 years you might have those manuals..
If you don't check out LEE's 2nd edition manual..
Whelen loads up to 300 gr. bullets..

[sthwestvictoria]

Every reloading manual I have (over 25) lists loads up to at least 250 grain bullets..
And you are your 2nd Whelen and didn't know that????

However those are all jacketed data, the OP was enquiring about cast bullet loads which are not commonly published. Lyman 3rd does not list any, Lyman 4th only gives cast data for 195 and 204grain.

Now if you've been on the site for a while we know you can derive cast bullet data from some published data however we ought cut LAGS some slack, welcome him to forum and ask how we can help.

[AKbushman49]

LAGS- LoadData.com (Wolf Publishing) you will have to join their group. But it has some cast bullet loads for the 35 Whelen (28) from 197gr to 275gr. Standard moulds,( Saeco, Lyman, RCBS and LBT). Grant you they're not a standard manual but it is useable info, Hope that helps.
bushman

[Yodogsandman]

LAGS, Welcome to the site! I'm fairly new to the site, too. Just do a little search on the site and you will find plenty of loads used by the members here. It looks like most medium burning powers work well for the 35 Whelen. I'm using the same powder that I use for all my jacketed loads in 200, 225 and 250gr bullets for my cast boolit of 300gr. My Whelen didn't a skip a beat! So, if you already have some jacketed loads with a favorite powder, give it a try! Good luck with it!

[TXGunNut]

Welcome to the asylum, LAGS. I also think the 35 Whelen deserves a heavier boolit than the 200 gr's we commonly find data for. For hunting I prefer a flat nose or round nose boolit but the NOE 360-280 could be interesting. The 358009 has several fans around here if you like a heavy boolit, I'm looking for a boolit in the 250 gr range.

[LAGS]

Thank you all for your responses.
My first Whelen was shot mostly with Jacketed bullets and I had data for those bullets.
But Cast Loads over 204 gr just wasnt out there.
I did give away all of my old loading books when I moved to Arizona from California 20 years ago.
( I regret that now, The Manuals not the move )
I shoot the 198 gr Spire Point in my 30 cals , my .310- 311 & .312's and just got a spire point for my 8mm that is 216 gr.
So far, the spire points have been very accurate and under 3/4" at 100 yd's
I just like heavy bullets for any caliber, and I found the spire point does work a little better for me at longer ranges.
But that could just be me.
I do have the standard weight molds for each caliber, but just want to try something different.
Do they make a 300 gr mold for the 35 caliber ?

[35 shooter]

LAGS pm sent. Also as others have pointed out here for hunting a flat or very blunt round nose is a better choice for hunting. Especially if you were to encounter bone. Although the spire might be interesting for targets and as you say, to try something different.

[Yodogsandman]

That 300gr mold of mine is a NEI 358 282 GC. I'm not sure if they sell these any more but, you can try their website.

I like the big flat metplate, too... but, I don't think any things walking away if you hit them with that NOE 360-365, 280 Gr SP GC spire point.

[LAGS]

I have ordered a 202 gr RN .316 mold for my .303 and 7.62x54 and I will size it for my 30 cal as well.
If I ever get time to get to the range, I can do a side by side comparison between the RN and spire points for accuracy and accuracy at distance since I have the 198 gr Spire Point mold already.
That may be the deciding factor on if I get the 280 gr mold in the RN or Spire Point for the 35 Whelen.
I will not be using the SP for Hunting, but I like to shoot cast boolits at 300 Yds +

[35 shooter]

If you do get the 280 gr sp, i for one would be very interested in your results. Or the 280 rn as well.

[nanuk]

consider the XXX365 in the flat/hollowpoint offering, if it is still available.

the picture, when offered showed a nice svelt boolit with a smaller meplat

but the actual one has a large meplat with an equally large HP.

I also made sure to get the FP option so that is open to me also....

just been too dang busy to get it shooting

[armoredman]

Hello, LAGS, long time no see. :)

[LAGS]

Yea, Yea Yea.
I will try to make it down next Sunday.
We got to get you some molds for your 8mm and you can spend more time on this site.

[armoredman]

:) This site is awesome for information. Too bad we couldn't get to the range Sunday.

[crash87]

Although you didn't specify Accurate powders, they list 10 of their powders with a 280 (L) bullet. Manual #2
crash87

[35 shooter]

Took another look at the 360- 280gr. sp gc boolit. It does have some interesting measurements. I hadn't noticed the first part of the nose ahead of the band is .354", unless that's a misprint. If you count the taper from there to .350" which would still be land bearing, it doesn't leave as much tapered part to that sp nose as i first thought.
I also noticed they didn't have many left.....hhhhmmmmmm. Might need to take another look at my throat measurements.

[LAGS]

So far I have been very satisfied with the NOE spire point designs.
I do not try to get Pinpoint accuracy out of a cast boolit.

I just like to test the aerodynamic efficiency with the longer taper, for longer range shooting.
And like you said, check your freebore, and seat the SP out as far as you can for better accuracy.

[Blammer]

I'm late to the party as usual.

I'd get the 358365 but with a HP option. That way you can get this PLUS a solid meplat instead of the HP too.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits/35%20Cal/DSCN8842.jpg (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/blammer8mm/media/Cast%20boolits/35%20Cal/DSCN8842.jpg.html)

[Blammer]

oh yea, IMR4350 or IMR4895 would be my go to powders.

[TXGunNut]

Took another look at the 360- 280gr. sp gc boolit. It does have some interesting measurements. I hadn't noticed the first part of the nose ahead of the band is .354", unless that's a misprint. If you count the taper from there to .350" which would still be land bearing, it doesn't leave as much tapered part to that sp nose as i first thought.
I also noticed they didn't have many left.....hhhhmmmmmm. Might need to take another look at my throat measurements.


LOL, boolit's starting to grow on you a bit? I don't think I'd be interested in it as a hunting boolit but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be fun to play with.
Hmmm...Blammer's got an interesting point too....pun intended. ;-)

What's the weight on the flat point version, Blammer?

[LAGS]

@ Blammer.
You have your " Go Too " powders, But what kind of loads and Velocities are you shooting them at ?
Plus, what lead mix would you use for the HP design.
Since i will not be hunting with the SP design, I will be casting with Lino, and dont need any expansion capabilities for punching Paper and shooting AR-500 steel plates at 300 yards.

[TXGunNut]

FWIW I like the IMR 4350 and 4064 as well, for some reason my rifle likes the H4350. Lino may be a bit hard but could work just fine, lino is getting harder to find every day. I use heat treated 50/50 pure lead/WW. Air cooled WW's was a bit soft but the HT 50/50 is tough enough for the velicities and the game.

[35 shooter]

Blammer's got the 35 cal. pics covered doesn't he? That would be an awesome looking boolit with flat point and hollow point option.

[TXGunNut]

I wish Blammer and KirkD would give picture-takin' lessons. ;-)

[LAGS]

If you know where to look, you can get the Antimony and Pure Tin to make your own Linotype or even Teracorp.
I even just take 92-6-2 mix that I buy from a smelter, and add the proper ratio of additional Tin and Antimony to bring the hardness up to 20 to 22 BHN.
I buy the 92-6-2 casting lead in 60 lb ingots, and I have a friend who lives near the smelting company, so he picks it up for me when I need some, and I drive down and pick it up when we go shooting by his house.
Saves a lot on freight, even at $3.50 a gallon for Gas.

[assasinator]

I use that exact mold. I cast it with copper and high tin. it weighs 245 with gas check.

I use cci 200 primers and 56 grains of 4064. i have .5" freebore and I get 2400 fps from a 17" barrel. its true accuracy is not that great. i haven't spent a lot of time trying to develop an accurate load though.

[centurion20000]

I'm late to the party as usual.

I'd get the 358365 but with a HP option. That way you can get this PLUS a solid meplat instead of the HP too.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits/35%20Cal/DSCN8842.jpg (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/blammer8mm/media/Cast%20boolits/35%20Cal/DSCN8842.jpg.html)

Sorry for bringing up the zombie thread, but did you send that 360365 mold off to get it converted to make HP rounds?