lyman 50 caliber plains bullet lenth ?

[mosby's men]

Black Powder Bullet Mould: 50 Caliber Plains - #508656



Bullet # : 508656
Grain: 395gr
Single Cavity # : 2654656
This is the .50 cal version of our Plains Bullets which offer greater bearing surface areas for improved accuracy. It also features a two diameter design for easy loading. Fits most traditional .50 cal muzzleloaders
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[mosby's men]

can someone please give me the lenth of this , trying to figure out what barrel to buy for a bp rifle i want to build

[idahoron]

The length of that bullet is 0.832". I got to tell you I got one because it was listed as a .508 diameter bullet. It was not. So I sent it back to Lyman and they said it was in Spec. The bullets from this mould are the worst bullets I have ever shot. Here is a typical group with it out of a 1-28 twist gun.

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Here is a couple with a Lee REAL same yardage.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/2250325_gr_lee_REAL_50_yard_1st_group_2.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/2250325_gr_lee_REAL_50_yard_2.jpg

I tried everything to get that mould to work. I even paper patched it and that didn't work. In my opinion don't waste you money. If you are setting up a gun with a 1-28 you should look at the Lee 500 S&W bullet paper patched. That is an awesome bullet. Ron

[johnson1942]

you would need a 1/42 to a 1/45 twist to shoot this bullet accurately. a 1/28 twist or even a 1/32 twist is too fast for it. i have a 1/28 twist .50 and i use a 530 grain bullet in that paperpatched and it is very accurate. you could build a barrel around this bullet if you prefer a lighter bullet like it. go with the 1/42 twist and you could shoot this bullet close and even way way out their.

[Bullshop]

I think an issue with that boolit is the taper designed into it. It is the widest at the front band and tapers to the rear. This may help loading but does nothing for alignment in the barrel and accuracy. It is the least accurate of my 50 cal molds and I always try to talk customers out of it but still some insist on buying boolits from it for what ever reason.

[fouronesix]

Me thrice.

I tried that bullet in a TC 50 Hawken 48" twist back when it first came out. Not only inaccurate but the worst leading I'd ever had shooting conicals in a ML. But hey they look good so they sell.

On the converse, the original 50 TC Maxiball shoots great in that rifle often about .5" circular cluster groups at 50 yards. I have no idea why the difference.

[HARRYMPOPE]

it shots well in my 1-32 Lyman GP hunter.I have shot many 5 shot groups under 2-1/2 at 100 yard with it(issue sights).Mine cast a bit over .508 IIRC.I lube them with 50-50 live oil and bees knees(or carnauba).No felt wad used.My 1-32 also shoots patched ball very well.

it also shot good in a TC 1-48 renegade but not as good as in my Lyman.Maybe my molds bigger than the average?

[johnson1942]

i bet if it was resized to .492 and paperpatched it would drive tacks. a lot of guys dont want a 500 grain bullet and that one worked over may be just what they want.

[HARRYMPOPE]

thats what i like about it,its not all that bad recoil wise with 80-90g.I seem to be the only guy who has had any luck with it.maybe i am just a better shot<G>If i cheat and do three shot groups i can have many about 1.5 MOA.Typically the last two are the widest shots.I have fred about 300 of them though my GP and its track record is always very good,these are not fluke groups.

50 yards one of the better groups-110863

100 yard typ(not best) groups-(i always seen to loose that one shot late in the group!)Those are two consecutive groups with no cleaning BTW and the POI stayed pretty darn close.110862

[idahoron]

I sized them to .496 and paper patched them. They sucked with paper patching. I got the mould because I had a gun that was using 410 gr Hornady great plains bullets. I thought it would be a replacement. This bullet is the biggest piece of **** I have ever wasted time and lead on. I think Bullshop is right on. The tapered design is the issue for this one like all turds they pinch down. :)

[HARRYMPOPE]

I siz because I find it to be very good at the two guns I traded inwith paper patching. I got the mould because I had a gun that was using 410 gr Hornady great plains bullets. I thought it would be a replacement. This bullet is the biggest piece of **** I have ever wasted time and lead on. I think Bullshop is right on. The tapered design is the issue for this one like all turds they pinch down. :)

then I must be lying or lucky because I find it to be very good in the two guns I use it in.it just may have to do with the particular rifling dimensions I have and maybe lyman designed for that gun.and remember these are "real " groups (5 shots).paper patch bullets probably a better deal all together but for me it works.and then again this gun is a 1-32 and not supposed to shoot round ball but I have placed very well in some matches with it against 1-66. I think it's a case of people not having luck right off the bat over analyzing the design not trying it again in spreading an opinion that may not necessarily be true for everybody's rifle.

[idahoron]

So if I would have shot 5 shot groups do you think that my groups would have shrunk? All 5 shot groups do on groups this size at 50 yards, is waste lead and powder both cost a pile of money these days. I can post many 3 shot groups that all look the same that too will give a reasonable idea of what the combo is capable of. I have a lead hardness tester and I tested the lead changed the lead. Tried different types of powder, and over powder wads. I can tell you this, no one has tested this bullet more than I did. You can go ahead and say that a 3 shot group is a cheat. How many times do you get the chance to shoot 5 times at an animal? 5 shot groups are fine for competition, but for hunting accuracy 3 shot groups are more than enough. and after wasting several months with this mould I was done with it. The lyman mould is a piece of junk. If it happens to do well in your guns then your definitely the minority. So in your own words your either lying or lucky. I am going on a limb and say your lucky if your the other you can be the judge of that.

[rlb]

100 yd groups should look like this out of a GPH.

[triggerhappy243]

Wow, now i can say i dont shoot that good.

[Good Cheer]

It's plumb amazing how much difference there is in how the different rifling patterns behave.

[idahoron]

That is the group of a paper patched Lee 500 S&W bullet. Good Job rlb

[HARRYMPOPE]

Yes it is.and if yours isn't one the bullet likes you may never know if it is a good bullet.I h
It's plumb amazing how much difference there is in how the different rifling patterns behave.

[HARRYMPOPE]

I'm not lucky(3 shot groups are where luck happens) I should registered matches(5 and 10 shots. For record) Your blanket opinion on this bullet just happens to be wrong.the paper patch stuff you do for hunting is really cool. But it's not the only thing out there. If somebody else has success where you didn't pay attention to what they did,you might just learn something.

[idahoron]

My opinion the Lyman plains bullet is cr@p and nothing is going to change that.