Have we done the Lyman 311041?

[Patrick L]

This boolit is so popular I'm sure its been done, maybe even before I joined.

If so, who was the honcho, and are there any left?

[verney]

No idea, but you honcho me buy.

[Bigscot]

It has been done I know because I got one. I can't remember who the honcho was though, and I could not find anything on a search. Sounds like there may be enough interest for another GB.

Bigscot

[DaveD]

No idea, but you honcho me buy.

Me too.

[LET-CA]

Me three (grin)

[94Doug]

I would too, but I would like to see the 311440 done too.

Doug

[Blammer]

Lyman still makes it, the reason for doing a GB would be too........?

why?

need it fatter than what's being produced?

[Murphy]

Yes, this mold has been ran.

DavidR was the honcho. I lucked out and got in on the buy and it has been THE best group buy mold I have....period.

And yes, it probably is time for another run. Look in the Members List and see if you can find DavidR and see if he still has the original spec's and all. He may be interested in running a second run.

Murphy

[94Doug]

I, for one, would like a GB done in these 2 Lymans to get six cav moulds......

Doug

[dromia]

I'd be in for a six cav if anyone runs with this.

[Jon K]

I would like 1 or 2.

Jon

[Buckshot]

I would too, but I would like to see the 311440 done too.

Doug

..............That one was done before too :-)

..............Buckshot

[verney]

Patrick L,
When will you start taking orders?

[Patrick L]

Sorry guys, but like Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations."

I am profoundly grateful to anyone who ever honcho'd a GB, but I am not the one to do this.

If someone wants to do this, be my guest. I will not feel that you "stole my idea" or any such nonsense. I would of course get in on it. I was actually hoping there might be a few leftovers floating around from an old GB, since the honcho usually gets a few extra to anticipate this.

[DaveD]

I would too, but I would like to see the 311440 done too.

Doug

Me too on this one as well.

[DaveD]

Looks like MidSouth has the 311041 in stock (low stock) in the 2 cavity mold for $46.55:

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000152660041

I don't see the 311440.

Having these in 6 - cavity would be nice.

[2 dogs]

I would be in for one of those.

[hunter64]

I would love a 6 cavity 311041, I would honcho the buy but I live in Canada and the extra shipping wouldn't be desirable not to mention the duty/taxes when the GB came in.

[6pt-sika]

Looks like MidSouth has the 311041 in stock (low stock) in the 2 cavity mold for $46.55:

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000152660041

I don't see the 311440.

Having these in 6 - cavity would be nice.

To my knowledge Lyman has not had the 311440 in normal production in awhile !

The Lyman 2 cavity 311041 is a good mould . I have one of these and have been using it for awhile ! However I think I may very well be intrested in a 6 cavity Lee mould for this bullet ! Possibly even a pair [smilie=1:

[45 2.1]

So, would anybody like these:

[verney]

We are already half-way to 25 pcs of 311041 moulds and we don't even have a honcho yet. I would do it myself but my problem is same that hunter64 has.

There might even be interest for both moulds if GBs are not done simultaneously.

[garandsrus]

Against my better judgment, I would be willing to honcho the deal... The three I have done in the past are closed and delivered, so I guess I have some time...

I would need a drawing from someone though.

John

[jtaylor1960]

Yes, I like both of those designs.I have a 308 MX and a couple 30/06s and the only 30 caliber molds I have are an RCBS 30-150-sp and a Lyman 311041.

[Larry Gibson]

I'm in for two of them.

Larry Gibson

[Tom Myers]

Against my better judgment, I would be willing to honcho the deal... The three I have done in the past are closed and delivered, so I guess I have some time...

I would need a drawing from someone though.

John

John

This is a drawing I have on file for my Lyman 311041Mold
If any changes would need to be made, that would be no problem.

Tom Myers

http://www.tmtpages.com/LinkSkyImages/forum_images/311041/Lyman_Mold_311041_174_gr.gif

http://www.tmtpages.com/LinkSkyImages/forum_images/311041/Lyman_Mold_311041_174_gr_Sketch.gif

[DaveD]

Against my better judgment, I would be willing to honcho the deal... The three I have done in the past are closed and delivered, so I guess I have some time...

I would need a drawing from someone though.

John

John,

Can we expect to see this GB posted soon? :-D

[garandsrus]

Tom,

Would you suggest any changes to the drawing you posted?

John

[Tom Myers]

Tom,

Would you suggest any changes to the drawing you posted?

John

John,

I would deepen the lube grooves as the originals are kinda skimpy.

Other than that, the bullet should fit well in most applications as it is. I only have actual chamber spec data from Marlin and Winchester Lever guns and they all seem to be very close to SAMMI Specs.

I drew up a chamber fit diagram for the SAMMI Spec 30-30 chamber and Cartridge.

http://www.tmtpages.com/LinkSkyImages/forum_images/311041/30-30_WCF_per_Leverguns_Barrel_SAMMI_311041.gif

http://www.tmtpages.com/LinkSkyImages/forum_images/311041/30-30_WCF_per_Leverguns_Barrel_SAMMI_311041_Fit.gif

These are the suggested changes to the grooves, they are only suggestions based on the data that I have and may be easily modified.

Tom

http://www.tmtpages.com/LinkSkyImages/forum_images/311041/Lee_Design_6C__311041_Clone_Rot.gif

http://www.tmtpages.com/LinkSkyImages/forum_images/311041/Lee_Design_6C__311041_Clone_Sketch.gif

[garandsrus]

Tom,

Thanks... The crimp groove seems a little "generous" and the nose profile changed.

I personally don't have any problem with slightly larger lube grooves if they are an improvement, but the nose profile should probably stay the same as the original.


All - How closely do you want to stick with the original drawing? I don't want to take over the responsibility for designing/changing the boolit, just doing the paperwork to get the order to Lee. Unless you state otherwise, I will assume that you want the original design.

Thanks,
John

[Tom Myers]

Tom,

Thanks... The crimp groove seems a little "generous" and the nose profile changed.

I personally don't have any problem with slightly larger lube grooves if they are an improvement, but the nose profile should probably stay the same as the original.


Thanks,
John

John,

Done. The images now show the only change being slightly deeper lube grooves and the nose profile is the same as the original.

Tom

[BABore]

This design is a far cry from the original GB, which works. The drawing of the original Lyman 311041 doesn't match ones I have, or have seen either.

[dromia]

I presume that we are talking about the mould that is numbered 31141 not 311041 in the old Lyman books?

I'm looking at the drawing here and the graphic in the 2nd Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook and although there are no detail dimensions in the Lyman book they certainly look very alike.

[LET-CA]

Rather than experiment with an updated design, I'd just as soon get some inputs from those who've purchased the previous design. If it works well, I vote for sticking with the existing design. Hopefully it would make it easier for Lee to get it right the first time and perhaps avoid any of the unhappiness that seems to go with a new bullet. My interest is in production, not improving a bullet that already does quite nicely.

As to the question of 31141 or 311041, I thought they were the same, just updated numbering. Can someone comment on this?

[94Doug]

Yes, the same, Lyman just added the 0 to the number to make it consistant with the current system.

d

[floodgate]

94Doug:

"Yes, the same, Lyman just added the 0 to the number to make it consistant with the current system."

Except to the extent that re-sharpening a worn cherry, or replacing it with a new one, changes the profile of the Boolit; Lyman shows a lot of variability from production run to production run.

Fg

[45 2.1]

John-
You can have your choice, the drawing posted under post 20 or Tom Meyers drawing.

[garandsrus]

45 2.1,

Thanks for reminding me of the drawing on post 20! How do the dimensions compare to Tom's drawing? The drawing in post 20 is labeled with "modified". What was changed from the original design?

Thanks,
John

[Larry Gibson]

I've been shooting the Lyman 311041 For over 30 years and have not had any problems with the lube grooves being skimpy. I'd like to stick with the original design as it is time proven. It's not broke so why fix it?

Larry Gibson

[BABore]

You know guys, all this was beaten like a dead mule on the original group buy.

http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=1872&highlight=311041

All 14 pages of it.

Drawings of the old/new versions of Lyman's 311041 can be found on post #30. It has a tapered BR nose and a real crimp groove, as opposed to the drawing on this thread, post #25. The final GB version primarily deviated from Lyman's in driving band diameter (GB was 0.312) and nose diameter. Lyman's 311041 just makes 0.300 if you get lucky. The GB version went 0.301. The reason? So it would actually touch something. Afterall, it is supposed to be a BORE RIDE nose that engraves. Not an AIR RIDE nose.

[garandsrus]

BABore,

Thanks for the reference to the old thread....

John

[45 2.1]

45 2.1,

Thanks for reminding me of the drawing on post 20! How do the dimensions compare to Tom's drawing? The drawing in post 20 is labeled with "modified". What was changed from the original design?

Thanks,
John

Changes were made due to Lee cutting three nose versions in that GB run. Mainly trying to outguess what they can f**k up. As to Toms dimensions, i've never seen a Lyman cut like that, though the body diameter is the same. There is a big difference between copying something and designing it to fit, air ride nose amongst other things.

[mingol]

Count me in for one of these.
I'll ask for postal address whenever the effort gets underway.
John

[mingol]

If anybody decides to honcho a 311440, I'll want to participate in that one too.
John

[DaveD]

Anyone gonna Honcho this?:confused:

[verney]

Let's not forget this one. Honcho is needed, please step forward.

BTW Is it possible to make a group buy from Lyman? I know they don't make custom designs but how about ordering a 4-cavity 311041 mold? Lyman makes 311041 so they must have a cherry available for it.

[45 2.1]

garandsrus has a production drawing on the way to him in the mail. He will speak up when he is ready to do something.

[DaveD]

Is there a way to be notified of future posts to this thread without coming in just to check?

[garandsrus]

Guys,

Sorry, I have been out of town for several days. I will be back in a few days and post the group buy then. I want to include a couple dimensions from the drawings so everyone is sure of what the group buy is for.

John

[Buckshot]

Is there a way to be notified of future posts to this thread without coming in just to check?

..................What, you don't like it here :-) ?

................Buckshot

[DaveD]

:-D
No quite the contrary. I was hoping that wouldn't come across wrong. ooops......

:drinks:

[Blammer]

it didn't, buckshot is pullin your chain! LOL

[Blammer]

Yea, dimensions are good. I want to know what I'm suppose to be getting!