Dillon Square Deal B and 32 acp

[warbird2006]

Guys. I just bought CZ Skorpion in 32 asp. I have 2 Dillon Square Deal presses, one set up for 9mm and second one for 45 Acp.
Now I found out Dillon does not make conversion kit for SDBs. Not even dies. What can I do? All I don't want is to buy another progressive press.

[9.3X62AL]

How extensive is your die and shell holder assortment for single-stage loading? If you are already equipped with this tooling, take a look at the Ponsness-Warren Metal-Matic P-200 at www.reloaders.com I have small to moderate-sized lots of MANY pistol calibers, and the P-W press is how I go about loading most of my pistol calibers. They call it "semi-progressive", it is more like a turret press--but the shell holder moves from station to station, instead of rotating a tool head like turret presses do. My loading rate is 175-200 rounds per hour with a little organization ahead of time.

[imashooter2]

Dillon is the only game in town for SDB dies. You're hosed and get to buy a new press.

[jmorris]

You can sell the 32 and buy a 380, buy factory 32 ammo or another press.

[slughammer]

Just how much 32 acp do you plan to load at one time? If I had enough brass, I'd process it in batches. I've had a 650 since '96, have conversions to handle 45, 38/357, 9mm, 40, 44spl/44mag & 223. Having those saves me enough time that I can load others on my single stage. Mostly stuff I have 50 pieces of brass in active use at a time, but right now I'm 2 steps into processing about 850 pieces of 30-30 on my single stage. I've got buckets loaded with the other stuff ready for range trips, this allows time to load a few cartridges single stage every week. If single stage ain't your boat, I'm pretty sure the Lee classic cast turret is stout enough that it can handle 32 acp.

[LUBEDUDE]

How extensive is your die and shell holder assortment for single-stage loading? If you are already equipped with this tooling, take a look at the Ponsness-Warren Metal-Matic P-200 at www.reloaders.com (http://www.reloaders.com) I have small to moderate-sized lots of MANY pistol calibers, and the P-W press is how I go about loading most of my pistol calibers. They call it "semi-progressive", it is more like a turret press--but the shell holder moves from station to station, instead of rotating a tool head like turret presses do. My loading rate is 175-200 rounds per hour with a little organization ahead of time.

I could be mistaken, but I don't believe that the P- 200 is available anymore. PW just makes the Met II in a metallic press now, which makes the price substantially more than another Dillon SDB.

[r1kk1]

I could be mistaken, but I don't believe that the P- 200 is available anymore. PW just makes the Met II in a metallic press now, which makes the price substantially more than another Dillon SDB.

I don't think it's there anymore either. It's the 375c redone for metallic. I often wonder if I swap heads and cartridge holder I could do the same for mine. The 375c is the most versatile and best single stage reloader I've ever used for shotshells. Love the easy swapping gauges.

take care

r1kk1

[500MAG]

Time to get a 650. I'm always looking for excuses to get new equipment.

[9.3X62AL]

Looks like you guys are correct about the P-200, I last looked about a year ago and P-W still offered it. The 375 resembles the P-200, not sure why they stopped offering it--maybe Dillon just stole their thunder.

[Old School Big Bore]

I need a .32 SD too. Let's start pestering them!

[Old Caster]

Does Dillon make anything smaller so that you might be able to modify one by cutting it larger.

[Alvarez Kelly]

I have, in my possession, a Dillon Square Deal conversion and die set for 32 S&W Long/32 H&R Magnum.

If if it would help anyone, I would be happy to measure the parts. PM me with what you would like me to measure.

[9.3X62AL]

The 32 ACP shares an RCBS shell holder size with the 30 U.S. Carbine. If you load the Carbine--the 32-20 WCF--the 32 Long/Magnum/327--the 7.62 x 38R Nagant--the 7.65 MAS--you get accustomed to swapping shell holders and die sets around. This has to be do-able, somehow. The 32 ACP is too good a caliber to die on the vine from lack of tooling.

[Mike Kerr]

Every time I read this thread I remember that I respect the other members who have posted in the thread otherwise I would simply say ---Baahawaaa- HeHeHeHe what do you expect its a 32ACP!!! -the caliber which has caused me more vexation than any other FAIRLY COMMON caliber. Good luck in your search.

[jmorris]

The 32 ACP shares an RCBS shell holder size with the 30 U.S. Carbine. If you load the Carbine--the 32-20 WCF--the 32 Long/Magnum/327--the 7.62 x 38R Nagant--the 7.65 MAS--you get accustomed to swapping shell holders and die sets around. This has to be do-able, somehow. The 32 ACP is too good a caliber to die on the vine from lack of tooling.

It's not a problem to load it, you just can't on the SD. They use proprietary dies that are different from any other and Dillon only offers dies for them in the most common pistol rounds. 32acp didn't make it on the list.

[Old Caster]

Every time I read this thread I remember that I respect the other members who have posted in the thread otherwise I would simply say ---Baahawaaa- HeHeHeHe what do you expect its a 32ACP!!! -the caliber which has caused me more vexation than any other FAIRLY COMMON caliber. Good luck in your search.

Mike, just a few years ago, Pardini started making a pistol chambered for the 32 ACP for Bullseye competition. Initially they were designed for the Hornady factory 60 grain XTP but a bunch of us have experimented extensively to get lead bullets to shoot well in the gun also. So far, we have beaten the XTP round and are trying to go even farther. Our success will probably make the popularity of this caliber jump a great deal because it is an improvement over the 32 long.

Warbird, When I changed to ACP from the 32 long, I changed the shell plate also but am using a 550 so it was available. It seemed like the 32 long shell plate would have worked but it set the wrong distance from the bottom and the ACP wouldn't fit so maybe if a washer was made, it would work. I will try today to see what is possible and post it later. I did use the same die set as the long but had to shorten the taper crimp die so it wouldn't bottom on the press. The bullet seater is the same because a 32 long with a wadcutter is the same length as a 32 ACP with a SWC and the sizing die is also the same. I am using a Lee .002 oversize sizing die because the Pardini has a barrel that measures .3138 and when a bullet that diameter is inserted into the case the case has to be expanded quite a bit so as to not swage the bullet down and make it inaccurate and I don't want to size the brass more than necessary. I think the 32ACP guns measure all over the place and most will have a barrel diameter a lot smaller than the Pardini.

[Old Caster]

I tried to use the 32 long shell plate on my 550 with the 32 ACP. It won't work to prime the cases but everything else worked. The only problem you may have is that the case might pull out after sizing. The ACP doesn't have as much of a rim on it as the long so it isn't gripped very tight. Before the primer will go all the way into the case, it pops out of the plate. Maybe it will work and maybe not.

[troyboy]

I'd just buy the original lee turret press with the 4 die turret,dies and be done with it. The classic cast IMO has to long of a stroke.

[MiHec]

I have same problem. I want to reload 32 acp on my square deal B. If some one is capable of making drawings / 3d models I will machine parts and dies.

[dragonrider]

Just thought but could Lee 32 dies be made to fit a Square Deal B?? I don't have one so I don't know what the thread size is, but I understand it is smaller than 7/8"-14.

[Alvarez Kelly]

Just thought but could Lee 32 dies be made to fit a Square Deal B?? I don't have one so I don't know what the thread size is, but I understand it is smaller than 7/8"-14.

No. Square deal dies do not use a threaded body.

[imashooter2]

Seems to me that SDB dies are smaller than the standard 7/8-14 dies. You could use a lathe and make the sizer work if the carbide ring isn't too large. Powder funnels are common across the presses so an S funnel will work. You can probably make the SDB .32 S&W Long seater and crimp work.

But you are still screwed with no shell plate.

[W.R.Buchanan]

How many rounds do you need to load? This is the primary question. Once we know this, then we can suggest a solution that will work.

I have many presses and machines. I have two SD's in .40 and .45. I have a 550B also. I also have a C&H 444 that I load Most of my Rifle rounds on. I also have a PW Metal Matic II that I load some rifle rounds on too..

Either of the last two would work for you and produce 150-200 rounds an hour using standard dies and readily available shell holders. The C&H Press is a smaller and less expensive tool than the PW, however the PW allows you to move the case from station to station without handling the case.

The whole point here is,,,, You actually need another machine! Which will round out your loading tool inventory.

Another solution is to buy a D550B and sell the two SDB's. That way you'd have one machine that will do everything.

Randy

[9.3X62AL]

Mike, just a few years ago, Pardini started making a pistol chambered for the 32 ACP for Bullseye competition. Initially they were designed for the Hornady factory 60 grain XTP but a bunch of us have experimented extensively to get lead bullets to shoot well in the gun also. So far, we have beaten the XTP round and are trying to go even farther. Our success will probably make the popularity of this caliber jump a great deal because it is an improvement over the 32 long.

Awright, got the moving bit wrapped up and am able to return to correspondence. Old Caster, this paragraph is quite interesting to me--Pardini has actually made some target-grade pistols in 32 ACP instead of 32 SWL? I'm bound to say, I'm not surprised to learn that the caliber has the accuracy for 50m competition, the 32 has always been far more accurate by accident than the 380 ever was on purpose in the pocket pistols I've fired both through--most of which are good to high quality pieces. Your phrase "......because it is an improvement over the 32 long" intrigues me. Would you mind elaborating on that subject? Thank you!

[jmorris]

Just thought but could Lee 32 dies be made to fit a Square Deal B?? I don't have one so I don't know what the thread size is, but I understand it is smaller than 7/8"-14.

Like imashooter2 said, you might be able to machine them down and get them to work. It would be less work to make the inserts from scratch (if you could live with them not being carbide) though.

Even if the threads were touching with standard dies, they wouldn't work in a 1050.