New Ruger .327 Magnum

[376Steyr]

Saw this mentioned on another thread, thought it deserves one of it's own. Lipsey's is getting a run of Ruger "Single Six" framed .327 Magnums:

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=RUKSSM-7-327

Good for Ruger, as maybe it will help them get over the embarrasment of making the 48(!) ounce Blackhawk 8-shooter.

They will have them in 4 5/8, 5 1/2, and 7 1/2 inch versions. If I see a long-barrelled one, I'm going to grab it.

[DougGuy]

You know Talo will have to have a run of birdsheads.. Montado Jr.

[Cornbread]

Can you guys clarify something for me? Other than 7 shots vs 6, what are the advantages to this over a 30 carbine Blackhawk if the 30 carbine is loaded for pistol vs surplus 30 carbine rifle rounds? I know virtually nothing about the 327 is why I ask.

[376Steyr]

.327 versus .30 Carbine (pistol rounds) is pretty much a tie. Difference will be the newer Ruger will be a smaller frame and cylinder, and should be a little lighter on the belt. I'd also give the (theoretical) accuracy edge to the .327 for using a rimmed case, versus the rimless case rattling around in the .30 Carbine chamber. If I already owned a .30 Carbine, and only shot it on a range, I wouldn't feel the need to change.

[Cornbread]

.327 versus .30 Carbine (pistol rounds) is pretty much a tie. Difference will be the newer Ruger will be a smaller frame and cylinder, and should be a little lighter on the belt. I'd also give the (theoretical) accuracy edge to the .327 for using a rimmed case, versus the rimless case rattling around in the .30 Carbine chamber. If I already owned a .30 Carbine, and only shot it on a range, I wouldn't feel the need to change.

Thank you! This is exactly what I was wondering.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

Cornbread, I was wondering the same thing only I would have mentioned the 32-20 as well.

[DougGuy]

The .30 carbine might be louder, in a Blackhawk it's very loud.

[FLHTC]

Can you guys clarify something for me? Other than 7 shots vs 6, what are the advantages to this over a 30 carbine Blackhawk if the 30 carbine is loaded for pistol vs surplus 30 carbine rifle rounds? I know virtually nothing about the 327 is why I ask.
Unless you are shooting 32-20 brass in your 30 carbine Blackhawk, the 327 wins hands down in my opinion. The carbine brass head spaces on the case mouth making case length critical and can often lead to misfires. I've been down that road with the Carbine and due to a tapered case, cast bullet loads needed to be jammed into the cylinder since the carbine case needs to be flared so much to accept them. I shot 32-20 brass in my 30 Carbine Blackhawk but once the 327 came out, the Carbine went on gunbroker.

[JHeath]

I understand the advantages over the rimless .30 Carbine, and the tapered thin-wall .32-20.

What's the advantage over a 9+1 round M57 in 7.62 Tokarev? Ballistics are near the same and the Tok is a much flatter pistol.

I guess: 1) straight-wall case so carbide dies are available. 2) the Tok neck is short. 3) somebody will make a .327 lever carbine.

[Love Life]

This:

[Jupiter7]

I'm also plopping down cash for a 5.5". Glad I caught wind of it before it was too late.

[Love Life]

I'm thinking a 7 1/2 inch barrel is gonna melt my butter. Mebbe feed it some 32 H&R or 32 S&W...

Oh my, it is going to be spectacular...I hope.

[Green Frog]

I bought the 327 Blackhawk 8-shooter while it was still current. The reason I wanted a single action (as opposed to staying solely with my DA S&W "Model 616") was to have a beefy, extra strong platform to test the performance limits of the cartridge. Therefore, I'm not sure I can justify going "down" to the Single Six frame size, even though friend Hondo44 has had great success with his custom-built version of the same gun.

"You can't have it all. If you did, where would you put it?"

Froggie

[FLHTC]

I'm thinking of sending my SSM, minus the cylinder, back to Ruger to be fitted with another cylinder then ream that out to 327. It will save me $500:bigsmyl2:

[Combat Diver]

One thing I hated about Ruger recently was when they made the latter Single Sixes in .32 H&R it was for the Cowboy action shooters with a fixed sight. The early adjustable sights were costing a premium when you could find one. I like the fact that this one has the adjustable sights, longer bbls for hunting and wide range of available ammunition. .327 Fed, .32 H&R, .32 S&W Long, .32 S&W and .32 ACP. So from man stoppers to cat sneeze loads. Great for plinking with in the backyard and hunting small game. I'm very interested in a 5.5" verison (got couple 5.5" SS .22s)


CD

[dilly]

For the life of me I can't figure out why I want one of these so much, but I do.

[Piedmont]

If I am remembering correctly the .327 operates at even higher pressures than the .30 carbine so it should be a bit louder. I've been around those .30 Carbine Blackhawks and want nothing to do with them just because of the noise, so I don't understand the interest in the .327 in a handgun.

[Crank]

Piedmont,
It all depends on pressure, the higher the pressure, the sharper the crack. I have a BH in .30 Carbine and my S&W 64-7(altered) in .327 and both have a definitive crack. When we first shot the BH Carbine, I stated that this gun would now be known as "Bob" as in Bob Barker. I also, have notified my friend at the LGS that I want one of these Lipsey's run in a 7 1/2".

Mark

[lbaize3]

I have the Blackhawks in 30 carbine, the 8 shot .327 Federal, and the 32-20 with the 32 H&R cylinder. But I also find myself strangely attracted to the 7.5 inch Single Six chambered in .327... Will probably have to get one.

[JHeath]

Piedmont,
It all depends on pressure, the higher the pressure, the sharper the crack.

Mark

And specifically the muzzle pressure. It should be possible to load .327 and .30 Carbine quietly in a long enough barrel with fast powder. Probably if you had a 50" barrel and Bullseye the bullet would just fall to the ground below the muzzle with a baby-burp sound.

I don't know if the velocity makes a difference in the sonic crack. Does 1800 fps make a "sharper" sonic boom leaving the muzzle than 1200 fps?

I'm not a good judge since my ears ring constantly and I have to shoot with plugs and muffs.

[rintinglen]

I have the Blackhawks in 30 carbine, the 8 shot .327 Federal, and the 32-20 with the 32 H&R cylinder. But I also find myself strangely attracted to the 7.5 inch Single Six chambered in .327... Will probably have to get one.

Me, too. Save that my poison will come in the 5.5 inch version

[9.3X62AL]

I think I will decline this offering by Ruger and Lipsey's. I have a 30 Carbine Blackhawk, three 32-20 revolvers, and a S&W Model 16-4 x 6". I have the bases well-covered. What I need a lot more is a decent-condition later-series Colt or S&W small-frame revolver with 4" barrel chambered in 32 S&W Long. I have close to 800 rounds of that ammo sitting around getting older, and only one example to shoot them with. I know, the 16-4 will shoot them, but the carbon crud rings are a PITA to remove. Better to get a gun that fully fits the cartridges.

[MT Gianni]

I'm thinking of sending my SSM, minus the cylinder, back to Ruger to be fitted with another cylinder then ream that out to 327. It will save me $500:bigsmyl2:
IIRC, the custom gunsmths rechambering the SS to 327 Fed had to reduce the bbl length by 1-2 threads at the forcing cone and make a longer cylinder. One of the reasons Fed went with the length they did was supposedly to prevent chambering it in the early HR guns.

[500MAG]

For the life of me I can't figure out why I want one of these so much, but I do.
That's your wife talkin' of course you want it. No you need it!

[FLHTC]

IIRC, the custom gunsmths rechambering the SS to 327 Fed had to reduce the bbl length by 1-2 threads at the forcing cone and make a longer cylinder. One of the reasons Fed went with the length they did was supposedly to prevent chambering it in the early HR guns.

Yeah I stand corrected. I had my SSM on my mind when it's actually my SP101 that has the larger cylinder window. I have a 4" 32 mag SP101 that would be just the right specimen for rechambering to 327.

[TXGunNut]

I like it and I think it fills a need for fans of the 327. OTOH my Navy Arms SAA clone in 32-20 does all I'll ever ask a .32 bore revolver to do.

[Crank]

Just wanted to mention that Lipsey's is now accepting orders. I just got back from my LGS and my buddy confirmed they were able to place an order for a 7 1/2" on Thursday, but Lipsey's does not have them in stock yet, so that order is like #4 in line. I had seen it mentioned earlier in the thread, that one of the forum members had their LGS call Lipsey's and they were told at that point they weren't accepting orders. I just wanted to mention this, in case anyone wants to get in line before they sell out.

Mark

[Old School Big Bore]

I had two OM BHs in .30 C, one got stolen, so if that one is still for sale, PM me please. My plans are to cut them to 4 5/8" and put steel grip frames on them. I'll probably order a 4 5/8" S/S now that they're coming out, but I'd still like to cut my full size BH down.

[Crank]

I just happened to re-read all of the posts and now I don't see the comment I was referring to. I apologize, I must have seen it on another forum:veryconfu ???

Mark

[9.3X62AL]

I just happened to re-read all of the posts and now I don't see the comment I was referring to. I apologize, I must have seen it on another forum:veryconfu ???

Mark

Possible, but this thread isn't the first one on this site covering this subject matter. While I may not be a participant in this purchase, I am happy to see a gunmaker produce a practical and field-appropriate 32 caliber revolver NOT catering to only CCW or CAS specialization. My preferences are for general-purpose firearms, adaptable for multiple venues and usages. Over-specialization is a dead-end for most species' evolution, and firearms are no exception to that rule.

[JHeath]

I just happened to re-read all of the posts and now I don't see the comment I was referring to. I apologize, I must have seen it on another forum:veryconfu ???

Mark

No, I'm sure I saw that comment on this forum. I remember it referred to them as "allocated." If I still lived in Eastern Oregon carrying a field pistol this revolver would be ideal.

[Green Frog]

I like it and I think it fills a need for fans of the 327. OTOH my Navy Arms SAA clone in 32-20 does all I'll ever ask a .32 bore revolver to do.

I've got one of those NA clones in 32-20, and I'm thinking of getting a 327 FM cylinder made for it too! :cool:

You just can't have too many options for shooting 32s! :mrgreen:

Froggie

[TXGunNut]

I've got one of those NA clones in 32-20, and I'm thinking of getting a 327 FM cylinder made for it too! :cool:

You just can't have too many options for shooting 32s! :mrgreen:

Froggie

There's something about the .32, just a few hours ago I fondled a very nice pre-64 94 in 32 Spl.
I personally have no interest in the 327 Federal or any guns made for it but like 9.3X62AL I'm glad to see folks are taking an interest in this outstanding cartridge, especially a firm that builds a well-thought-out firearm for it.

[sixshot]

I have both the 327 8 shot gun & an old 3 screw 30 Carbine & really like both of them. I've always liked a heavy gun & the 8 shot Blackhawk is heavy. Don't know if any of my other guns shoot as well as the 30 Carbine with 100 half jacket Hornadys. Fast, flat & yes its loud with 12 grs of 2400 but ground squirrels hate it! If I were buying another one I would for sure get the 7 1/2" barrel, then do an action job & narrow the front sight to 1/10", bingo!

Dick

[Combat Diver]

Thats going to be the advantage the Single Six .327 will have over the .327/.30 Carbine Blackhawk is size and weight if used as a woods roaming kit gun.


CD

[jrayborn]

I just put a 5.5" on order with a local dealer. If anyone actually gets to see or purchase one of these could you post about it. I'd like to know somewhat of what the wait could be...

[Maximumbob54]

I just hope these .327's don't go the way of the recent re-release of the .480's we were supposed to get last year. I was not happy about that.

[Green Frog]

I just hope these .327's don't go the way of the recent re-release of the .480's we were supposed to get last year. I was not happy about that.

With the buzz around the Interweb over this caliber and this specific gun, I doubt that Ruger and Lipsey will want to back out of it now! Then again, strange things happen when manufacture moves from prototype to production. :|

Froggie

[376Steyr]

With the buzz around the Interweb over this caliber and this specific gun, I doubt that Ruger and Lipsey will want to back out of it now! Then again, strange things happen when manufacture moves from prototype to production. :|

Froggie

My engineering mentor used to tell tales of salesmen stumbling back into the office after a three martini lunch and saying "Look what I just sold! Can we build it?"

The 32 H&R runs at 20,000 CUP, the .327 at 42,000 PSI. The .327 MSRP is $20 more than a .22 LR with an extra cylinder. The .327 is now shown in the Ruger online catalog. Make of all that what you will.

[jrayborn]

Sure looks like a GO to me?

[Zim]

Ffl says delivery is Oct/Nov. Take that with a grain of salt. My order's been placed.
Why 7-1/2" over the shorter?

[Cornbread]

My engineering mentor used to tell tales of salesmen stumbling back into the office after a three martini lunch and saying "Look what I just sold! Can we build it?"

I am an engineer and I had a salesman sell a client something for 90K once(this was in late 2006), and tell them it would be delivered on Monday. He made a presentation where he faked everything in Visio and said it all existed. That was on a Friday, by Monday morning I had it built and delivered it to the client. I worked on it all weekend, hardly any sleep and it was a piece of crud but it sure looked nice. Spent the following years dealing with problems with it until finally this year the company gave us the money to go in and rebuild it properly. Let's just say sales folks like that guy aren't my favorite people.

[Whit Spurzon]

Ffl says delivery is Oct/Nov. Take that with a grain of salt. My order's been placed.
Why 7-1/2" over the shorter?

Is your FFL on Lipsey's dealer list?

Mine is not and can't find out anything. Thinking maybe I need to use one of the dealers they list on their site. Gotta get me one of these.

I hope they offer a blued version too sometime soon.

[Zim]

I tried my FFL. He looked at Lipsey's dealer application and refused to give up his banking information. They wanted way too many details. He did all this looking at the Lipsey's site. Your dealer should be able to do the same.

Called a local one from Lipsey's list and they were more than happy to start the process. When Lipsey's says they are available, I will get a call asking for payment. I was assured of getting one. We shall see. $599.99 is quoted price. I wonder what wholesale is.

Blued would be my first preference too. I already have the Single Six with adjustable sights in 32 Mag. Sweet!

[rintinglen]

Ordered mine today--$619 + tax. Unknown delivery date, but "should be this fall." Oh, and they're calling it "The Single Seven."

[jrayborn]

Anyone see one of these yet?

[rintinglen]

Pictures only so far. I'm toying with ordering a second one.

[Charlie U.]

Called to check up on my order this week and was told that they expect them to start shipping out sometime in Sept.......we'll see.


The 327 fed mag has been marketed as a defense round, but that role is well covered by the 38+P/357.
To me the 327 fed mag makes more sense as a light varmint/target shooter.....essentially a super sized 22mag that can be efficiently reloaded. Ruger has finally put it out in a platform that is practical for that role.

I'm looking forward to playing with the single seven in the 7 1/2" length. Only wish they were making it with the HUNTER barrel so that it would come with scope rings.

[Jeff Michel]

They are in........ Just got the call.

[Tavorc21]

Sure would like to find an sp101 in 327 federal magnum ,
The single 7 looks great as well .
Just caught the 327 bug, a little too late.::(

[prsman23]

I got two off gunbroker. One to play with the other to keep nib. 520 and 530 shipped respectively. Tack on 25 for the transfer. I really like the feel of it. Very nice trigger. Wish I would've got a GP-100 too.

122229

[dragon813gt]

So are you guys using 30cal or 8mm gas checks? My molds aren't here yet and I'm wondering if I need to have an 8mm Checkmaker made.

I have the 4 5/8" and 7.5" so far. Bought the short one locally for $560 plus sales tax. Bought the 7.5" off Gunbroker for $565 after shipping and transfer fee. I look at the 5.5" everyday and it's so tempting to buy it. But I hate having firearms sit unused. The 7.5" is put up and won't be used.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/dragon813gt/Firearms/5F20C6D6-2264-4210-8F9B-5264E9534465.jpg (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/dragon813gt/media/Firearms/5F20C6D6-2264-4210-8F9B-5264E9534465.jpg.html)

[exile]

For what it's worth, I have the sp-101 in .327 Federal and it is loud.

exile

[BK7saum]

Mine is on its way from Lipsey's. Hope it gets here by the weekend.

[lefty o]

For what it's worth, I have the sp-101 in .327 Federal and it is loud.

exile
ive got one too, and compared to a 357 snubbie, its not that loud. lol its certainly not a 22short though.

[dragon813gt]

I keep hearing that the 327 is loud. I know everyone is different. But I find 357s to be a lot louder. Haven't found the need to double up on hearing protection even though I know I should.

[rintinglen]

30 cal gas checks work on the 311-316--only gc boolit I have tried.

[FThera]

I just got a call from my dealer offering me a new 4 5/8" for $510 plus tax.

[Jeff Michel]

Just back from the gun shop, a 4 5/8 and a 5 1/2. 519.00 each plus tax.

[dragon813gt]

30 cal gas checks work on the 311-316--only gc boolit I have tried.

Thanks, that's what I thought. Figured they will work up to .315.

[Ramjet-SS]

I just worked up some nice loads for my SW 16-4 K frame a MiHec mold 130 grain HP GC over 11.8 grains of WW296 Small Rifle Primer just a hair over 1321 FPS