.44 Mag Powder selection? Cast VS Jacket?

[JesterGrin_1]

I have been looking for powder's and what I am using is Tightgroup but I was going to try some W296 for my cast Boolits but it does not show W296 for cast? So my burning ? is why do they not show some powders for cast but they do for Jacketed rounds?

I have been reading everything I can on here and other places and there really is no information as to why this is so. But I have been informed on this great board as well as from others that I can use the load chart if I have the same wight of boolit with a powder that is listed and not to be to concerned about wheather it is cast or Jacketed?


I know this might be a dumb ? to many but to me there is no such thing as a dumb ? only a ? that is not asked.





240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 Universal .430" 1.620" 6.5 852 11,700 CUP 10.2 1276 37,500 CUP

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 HP-38 .430" 1.620" 5.5 800 12,000 CUP 11.0 1334 38,100 CUP

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 Titegroup .430" 1.620" 4.7 801 11,100 CUP 10.0 1288 38,400 CUP

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 Clays .430" 1.620" 4.3 759 14,000 CUP 6.2 940 21,800 CUP

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 Trail Boss .430" 1.500" 6.0 828 19,100 PSI 7.3 917 21,600 PSI

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 231 .430" 1.620" 5.5 800 12,000 CUP 11.0 1334 38,100 CUP





240 GR. NOS JHP 240 H4227 .429" 1.600" 22.0 1301 28,400 CUP 24.0 1458 36,100 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 H110 .429" 1.600" 23.0 1413 25,200 CUP 24.0 1522 36,200 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 Lil'Gun .429" 1.600" 22.5 1465 30,100 CUP 24.5 1582 38,100 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 Longshot .429" 1.600" 11.0 1249 29,400 PSI 12.1 1331 34,500 PSI

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 HS-6 .429" 1.600" 12.0 1144 22,800 CUP 15.1 1417 38,200 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 Universal .429" 1.600" 8.0 1018 21,900 CUP 10.2 1246 38,200 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 HP-38 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 Titegroup .429" 1.600" 9.0 1219 33,500 CUP 10.0 1292 37,700 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 296 .429" 1.600" 23.0 1413 25,200 CUP 24.0 1522 36,200 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 231 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP

[lovedogs]

My only lever gun in .44 is a Marlin Cowboy and it has an oversized bore, .4315. I use a Saeco #431 mould to cast a 250 gr. RNFPGC. My only sizer is a .430 so I use it. I use #2 alloy and Larsen's 50/50 lube. The only powders I've tried are 2400 and H110. The 2400 got pressures without vel. or accuracy. The H110 (23 gr.) gets 1840 FPS and outstanding accuracy. H110 is so close to 296 I doubt you'll find any difference. In fact, both are made by Winchester... it's like the same powder only from different lots. Any powder you can use for jacketed you can use for cast. You'll just get a little more vel. with the cast.

[MT Chambers]

Alot of times manuals underload cast bullets because they want you to buy their j-word bullets!

[JesterGrin_1]

Alot of times manuals underload cast bullets because they want you to buy their j-word bullets!

lol I have seen the J-Word here a few times and I think I am catching on or NOT lol. J-Word as in Junk lol.


Well I loaded up some Laser Cast SWC 240Gr with 22.5Gr of W296 and some with 23.0Gr of W296. I will see where they fly off to lol. :)

[Lloyd Smale]

296 works great for cast bullets just use the jackted data for the same weight and youll be fine.

[9.3X62AL]

WW-296 and H-110 are VERY close, might be the same powder--dunno. These are THE powders for jacketed bullets in magnum revolver calibers--I have fired literally thousands of the old IHMSA "standard" production class 44 Magnum load--240 grain jacketed bullet, 24.0 grains of WW-296, CCI 350 primer.

I use this same load with the Lyman #429244 (Thompson SWC/GC) and get GREAT accuracy in every revolver I've tried it in, and it feeds in Marlin 94's when crimped into its topmost groove. I can neither recall all of the velocities nor find any notes on same (it's been a while), but I believe in a now-departed Super Blackhawk x 7.5" the J-words got to about 1335 FPS, and the Lymans to about 1375. Don't hold me to that, however.

I seldom shoot the 44 Magnum at firewall velocities any more. I lean toward believing Elmer Keith's old anecdote that "1200 FPS is all you need" in the 44 with 240 grain-class boolits for game-taking purposes. This is in keeping with the results given by my old '73 Winchester in the hands of my great-grandfather and grandfather, who combined to take muleys and blacktails in large numbers with its 200 grain bullets at 1100-1200 FPS, and at least two black bears that my grandmother saw taken herself. Deer aren't armor-plated.

My own thoughts have come around to this--with the 41 Magnum (2) and Ruger 45 Colt in-house, the full-tilt 44 Magnum as a revolver caliber is kinda superfluous Forgive me, Mr. Keith. A Marlin 94 for the rip-snorters and a 629 x 4" for the Keith-level loads--after disposing of a couple safe queens, that is.

[NSP64]

lol I have seen the J-Word here a few times and I think I am catching on or NOT lol. J-Word as in Junk lol.




J word refers to Jacketed bullet:castmine:

[GSPKurt]

I am very happy with Universal and H110 in my 44's.

[MtGun44]

H110 is W296. Same factory, same powder. The only differences are lot to lot
variations - one lot of H110 is as likely to vary from another lot of H110 the same
amount as the "difference" between H110 and W296. The only difference is the
label, and used to be the container. Now the containers are the same, too.

I love it when you get an article that shows data for W296 and slightly different
data for H110. . . . . :-)

Don't miss out on 10.0 Unique with any 240-250 cast boolit in .44 mag. Unusually good load in
most guns.

Bill

[JesterGrin_1]

What I find strange is that the books will show loadings for the H110 and not for the W296. But in these same books where they do show both H110 and W296 it will show the same speed or very close to it and the same Gr of load. Also what is odd is that you can purchase H110 for less than W296 will cost.

Right Now I am shooting some Lee 310Gr RNFP GC .431 which is really a 300Gr with 18.5Gr of W296 and a CCI-300 Primer. I also used the top crimp groove. With this load I am getting 2 to 2 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. But I still feel I can improve that some.

I have tried the CCI-350 Magnum primer with everything else the same and the group would open up a bit over the standard CCI-300 primer. Go figure lol.

The weather today when I made these groups was in the mid 70's but we had wind between 20 and gusts to 40mph which could sway things a bit. :)

[jlchucker]

I Use 21.0 grains of 2400 and a Lyman 429215 bullet, sized .429, in my Winchester Trapper 94 and in my EMF Hartford 92 rifle. It works great in both guns, out to 100 yd. I never shot these rifles to determine groups at that distance, but have no trouble dusting the clay pigeon remnants at the hundred yard berm at my club's range. There's lots of those laying up there from the adjacent trap field, and they are fun to plink. I have no doubt that this load would be sufficient for deer in the woods as well.

[JesterGrin_1]

Jlchucker. Glad to hear you have good results with your loads. And this might sound bad to some but it is true lol. The Winchester has a much better twist rate than the Marlin with its 1 by 38. So the Winchester will shoot better and can be loaded far easier than a Marlin to get good results.

I did get better results from a 300Gr TCFP PB with everything else the same but I decided to stay with the Lee 310Gr RNFP as I felt it would be a better hunting round.

This is the Lee 310Gr RNFP GC. These were made for me by Mike at MASTERCAST BULLETS at .432 http://www.mastercastbullets.com/home.html. Great person to deal with. :)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/Lee310GrRNFP.jpg

[LET-CA]

Current load data from Hodgdon and Winchester (same web site) shows the same data for both W296 and H110. I have them both and use them interchangably. Great powder for heavier 44 magnum bullets.

[runfiverun]

why not try the tight group
i use a lot of it in jak,plated and cast.
seems to work fine unless you are trying to get 1700 or something.

[JesterGrin_1]

The way I see it even though I could be all wrong is that Unique has been around a long time so many people are just used to loading the powder and are used to its performance and tend to not venture out to try new powders.

But I will say that I have used Unique with good results I have found the Tightgroup to be a cleaner burning powder with good results in the lower speed range of shooting.

But then again I am kinda new at reloading so I am open to the use of new powders as well as the old school powders. As I try and keep an open mind to new things as well as take good information from many years past for good loads. But as they say things do change some not for the better and some are much better than years gone bye.

[68 couper]

I guess the powder recommendation would depend on what your doing with the gun. For plinking and target I like Unique and red dot. It will group out to 100 for me at modest recoil. When it's time to put the throttle down it's H110. Generally behind an XTP. I did carry a 629 W/ cast in Colorado while in the dark timber. Things are real tight there. I hope to play with something in a 44GC this year and maybe that will become my go to for tree stand hunting.